gen:Lock creator Gray Haddock resigns from Rooster Teeth, Season 2 in major doubt

[PokeNirvash]

Hey, speaking of me and lady ninjas...

KINKY KUNOICHI SEASON 2: COMING SUMMER 2020 TO UE, DA, AND AO3

[hopefully]

[ben0119]

On 9/17/2019 at 8:07 AM, Jman said:

More evidence and alleged accounts have emerged corroborating the Clownfish TV source.  It alleges mismanagement, a hostile work environment, and fund appropriation which only ended when WarnerMedia came home and reviewed the books.

It was bugging the hell out of me the whole time how the guy was too far from the mic and was blurry.

But yeah with these extra accounts it's looking worse and worse.  I really don't see Gen:lock getting season 2 if the creator was a selfish egomaniac and abused his employees.  There's sure to be a stigma and bad memories attached to Gen:Lock within the company, so I can't see anyone wanting to work on it, even if they have the plans for the series and possible scripts etc.

[ben0119]

On 9/19/2019 at 7:35 PM, Daos said:

ULTRATECHNICALLY 

Everything animated is anime to people in Japan.

In the West... anime refers to a Japanese STYLE of animation. Meaning if something looks like anime to you, then it's anime, regardless of where it was made.

No.  Anime is only anime if it is created in Japan.  So anything that looks like anime but not made in Japan, is not anime.  IGPX is a co-production, but the animation is made in Japan so at the end of the day is anime.  Probably?  Not sure about that Cannon Busters thing, but it sounds like a similar situation to that.  In any case, anything made wholly elsewhere in an anime art style certainly is not anime.  I think we don't count things that were conceived in the U.S. or elsewhere in the west, but animated in Japan (like both ThunderCats series I think?), because, the story and concept was created, episodes written, outside of Japan and was not intended for consumption within Japan.

And you mean style of art, not animation.

[ben0119]

On 9/19/2019 at 1:50 PM, elfie said:

Gen:LOCK on RT and Toonami - Behind-the-scenes oppression, shitty creator who resigned while it's airing on TV, RT layoffs, nill chance of a Season 2.

Twelve Forever on Netflix - creator outed as a pedophile and fired deep in production before it's finished, barely any Netflix marketing, studio closes down.

Cannon Busters on Netflix - unfulfilled tier rewards from Kickstarter making donators wait 3 years and counting for rewards, creator goes into internet hiding, shuts down his Twitter and Facebook, privates his Instagram.

Tuca and Bertie on Netflix - canceled after one season in favor of another season of Big Mouth.

 

I'm gonna need to lie down.

Never heard of Twelve Forever or Tuca and Bertie and barely know anything about Cannon Busters and probably learned the most about it in this thread, but yeesh.

Can't say I was ever really interested in any of Netflix's original stuff anyway.

[OwlChemist81]

So Gill and Jason pretty much confirmed that this is the last episode.

If this really is the end for gen:LOCK, I believe it will be the first time a Turner Network has referred to something as a "season finale" when it really was the SERIES finale since WCW ended on TBS and TNT. Hell, there are a lot of similarities to the fallout behind each situation.

If the end of the final episode is as inconclusive as I've heard, I hope we get a movie or something like that at some point to provide closure.

Edited September 21, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[Daos]

15 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

No.  Anime is only anime if it is created in Japan.  So anything that looks like anime but not made in Japan, is not anime.  IGPX is a co-production, but the animation is made in Japan so at the end of the day is anime.  Probably?  Not sure about that Cannon Busters thing, but it sounds like a similar situation to that.  In any case, anything made wholly elsewhere in an anime art style certainly is not anime.  I think we don't count things that were conceived in the U.S. or elsewhere in the west, but animated in Japan (like both ThunderCats series I think?), because, the story and concept was created, episodes written, outside of Japan and was not intended for consumption within Japan.

And you mean style of art, not animation.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Definition of anime

: a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots often with fantastic or futuristic themes

anime

noun

 English Language Learners Definition of anime

: a style of animation that was created in Japan and that uses colorful images, strong characters, and stories that have a lot of action

[ben0119]

9 minutes ago, Daos said:

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Definition of anime

: a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots often with fantastic or futuristic themes

anime

noun

 English Language Learners Definition of anime

: a style of animation that was created in Japan and that uses colorful images, strong characters, and stories that have a lot of action

The definition you linked is wrong.  For one thing, anime isn't always action genre or sci-fi or fantasy.

Wikipedia is more accurate here -

Anime (US: /ˈænəˌmeɪ/, UK: /ˈænɪˌmeɪ/)[1] (Japanese: アニメ Hepburn: anime, [aɲime] (About this soundlisten), plural: anime)[a] is hand-drawn and computer animation originating from or associated with Japan.

The word anime is the Japanese term for animation, which means all forms of animated media.[2] Outside Japan, anime refers specifically to animation from Japan or as a Japanese-disseminated animation style often characterized by colorful graphics, vibrant characters and fantastical themes.[3][4] The culturally abstract approach to the word's meaning may open up the possibility of anime produced in countries other than Japan.[5][6][7] For simplicity, many Westerners strictly view anime as a Japanese animation product.[4]

Edited September 21, 2019 by ben0119

[Daos]

It doesn't say always sci-fi or fantasy it says often. So you're wrong there.

You said I meant art, not animation. You were wrong there.

You said Anime is only from Japan, but the phrase "or as a Japanese-disseminated animation style" means you're wrong about that as well.

The wiki you linked literally disproved your own argument.

 

[ben0119]

It says that for action.  Always, often, close enough.  I don't know if I would even say often though.  There's lots of slice of life series with no action, or sci-fi or or fantasy elements.  I wouldn't use that as part of a definition for anime.

Well, I don't know why you would be talking about animation style.  People don't identify anime by the animation style as much as they do the art style.  Unless you want to talk about the animation cheats that we typically don't see elsewhere.  People often get "animation style" and "art style" confused.

Pretty sure disseminated means it's disseminated by Japan, and not elsewhere.  You're also ignoring this part. - For simplicity, many Westerners strictly view anime as a Japanese animation product.

[Daos]

I'm not ignoring it. That's why I said TECHNICALLY. Most people think of anime as Japanese cartoons. The technical definition says no, anything in that style is anime.

The dictionary definition mentions animation style. Are you just going to argue with the dictionary now? =P

Quote

anime refers specifically to animation from Japan or as a Japanese-disseminated animation style

From Japan ... ORRRRRRRRR. From a style that spread from Japan to other places. That's what disseminated means. 

The meaning of that quoted sentence is not "From Japan or ... also only from Japan."

[ben0119]

3 minutes ago, Daos said:

I'm not ignoring it. That's why I said TECHNICALLY. Most people think of anime as Japanese cartoons. The technical definition says no, anything in that style is anime.

The dictionary definition mentions animation style. Are you just going to argue with the dictionary now? =P

From Japan ... ORRRRRRRRR. From a style that spread from Japan to other places. That's what disseminated means. 

The meaning of that quoted sentence is not "From Japan or ... also only from Japan."

And those people are right.  That technical definition is wrong.

Gotta say I am losing faith in Merriam-Webster if that is their definition of anime.  The people working there probably aren't too knowledgeable on the subject.  You wouldn't define anime by the animation style because it varies so much in quality and style.  But even as much as the art style also varies, you can at least look at a show's art style and tell it is anime, most of the time.

I suppose you could say that, but anything inspired by anime would still just be that and not anime itself, as it wouldn't be created in Japan.  If the type of storytelling and art was so readily available elsewhere, there wouldn't be such a demand for anime in the west.  But especially now, with non-comedic Western animation all but dead, it makes anime even more in demand.  So to say that just because a show made somewhere else has similar art and other elements to anime, makes it anime, is ridiculous.  It could make it appealing to some anime fans and if it's good, maybe a rare breed and diamond in the rough, if you have no interest for the vast majority of Western animation being produced at the moment.  But that doesn't make it anime.  And that's not to diminish it, it's just the facts.

[The1gairon]

7 hours ago, Daos said:

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Definition of anime

: a style of animation originating in Japan that is characterized by stark colorful graphics depicting vibrant characters in action-filled plots often with fantastic or futuristic themes

anime

noun

 English Language Learners Definition of anime

: a style of animation that was created in Japan and that uses colorful images, strong characters, and stories that have a lot of action

I go by the actual definition of anime: just something animated, instead of the twisted one Westerners decided to give it in a time where people didn't understand it in the 80's.

[Blatch]

On 9/20/2019 at 11:17 AM, Jman said:

The fact remains regardless of what you call it, gen:Lock’s creator was an incompetent tyrant, Cannon Busters’ was a thief, Twelve Forever’s creator was a pedophile, so if you want to watch a cartoon on Netflix, watch Kengan Ashura.

And regardless of how you tell it, I still like gen:LOCK and am sad it's probably never getting a continuation. Perhaps it wouldn't have been renewed even if it didn't have turmoil behind the scenes, but that wouldn't make me change my tune.

Also, way to bury the lede here... the fact that a pedo made a show called Twelve Forever is one hell of an Onion article. And here I thought it was canned merely because no one watched it.

[Jman]

25 minutes ago, Blatch said:

And regardless of how you tell it, I still like gen:LOCK and am sad it's probably never getting a continuation. Perhaps it wouldn't have been renewed even if it didn't have turmoil behind the scenes, but that wouldn't make me change my tune.

Also, way to bury the lede here... the fact that a pedo made a show called Twelve Forever is one hell of an Onion article. And here I thought it was canned merely because no one watched it.

No, she was a pedophile and dumped from the project, the show threw all the buzzwords but no one cared, and the staff apparently gave up rather than continued pushing.

As for gen:Lock, I’ll save my feelings on that for the morning.

[ben0119]

Even if Gen:lock wasn't a nightmare to work on for the crew, it still probably wouldn't have been renewed, since it was expensive, and under-performed. It lost money.

[ben0119]

12 hours ago, elfie said:

I go by the actual definition of anime: just something animated, instead of the twisted one Westerners decided to give it in a time where people didn't understand it in the 80's.

Which is meaningless. You might as well say everything is anime, then.  Why are you watching Toonami if you can watch "anime" all day long on Cartoon Network?  I guess we would have to go back to calling in Japanime or Japanimation, with this foolishness you are trying to enforce.

[The1gairon]

23 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

Which is meaningless. You might as well say everything is anime, then.  Why are you watching Toonami if you can watch "anime" all day long on Cartoon Network?  I guess we would have to go back to calling in Japanime or Japanimation, with this foolishness you are trying to enforce.

Sure!! That's my point! Every cartoon is anime because anime by definition is anything animated!

[ben0119]

2 minutes ago, elfie said:

Sure!! That's my point! Every cartoon is anime because anime by definition is anything animated!

That was the Japanese definition.  In Japanese it's just the word that means animation.  But there needs to be some distinction made, for our purposes.  And calling Japanese cartoons, Japanimation, Japanime, sounds weird and takes too long.  I've also had fans get offended when I called anime cartoons, lol.

[The1gairon]

1 hour ago, ben0119 said:

That was the Japanese definition.  In Japanese it's just the word that means animation.  But there needs to be some distinction made, for our purposes.  And calling Japanese cartoons, Japanimation, Japanime, sounds weird and takes too long.  I've also had fans get offended when I called anime cartoons, lol.

What part of my comment higher on the page didn't you understand?

Edited September 22, 2019 by elfie

[3ngag3]

😂

Even better is the fact that the episodes will be on RT's site 90 DAYS after they premiere on HBO.

Edited October 24, 2019 by 3ngag3

[Blatch]

So it is happening after all. Neat! I shouldn't have set my expectations too low.

According to this article, the series will stream on Rooster Teeth's own service after being exclusive to HBO Max for 90 days. I assume this doesn't preclude an eventual Toonami run.

[PokeNirvash]

Oh, I bet /co/ is gonna be pissed about this! 😁

Still, good that we're getting season 2 after all that behind-the-scenes controversy. Maybe now we can figure out who the Union really is! 🔍

[those meddling kids]

[Jman]

This is a big surprise, but I guess the Toonami airings did put the show over the top.  Let’s see what happens, and if HBO MAX is even affordable.  My current piece is if it replaces HBO Now/Go it will do fine.  If it’s on top of that, fuck no.

[OwlChemist81]

Here's the thing about gen:LOCK Season 2: Toonami is part of [adult swim], and in 2020, [adult swim] will be part of HBO Max. So I think there's still a chance we see "early" premieres of each episode of gen:LOCK Season 2 on HBO Max on some weeknight at prime time followed by the episode airing on Toonami that Saturday night. I believe that it will most likely be an extension of how [as] handles its non-Toonami originals. Practically all of them streamed first in 2019. Rick & Morty MIGHT be the only exception.

[The1gairon]

4 hours ago, 3ngag3 said:

😂

Even better is the fact that the episodes will be on RT's site 90 DAYS after they premiere on HBO.

HBO MAX, HBO MAX, HBO MAX.

So may things under Turner are going there instead of the cable channels now.

[DangerMouse]

[The1gairon]

So like is this the week where all our doubts about anime news is proven false?

[ben0119]

On 10/24/2019 at 2:03 PM, 3ngag3 said:

😂

Even better is the fact that the episodes will be on RT's site 90 DAYS after they premiere on HBO.

Well, well... pigs flew when Hell froze over on a Blue Moon on February 29th.  I was pretty much certain Season 2 would never be made.

How are they going to make the show without the original creator?  Hopefully all the scripts were already done, and/or there was an outline and possibly the series bible to go off of.  And I hope they treat their employees better from now, now that they fired that asshole.  Enjoy watching your show grow beyond and without you, jerk!

Looks like Toonami still got screwed over though.

On 10/24/2019 at 3:31 PM, OwlChemist81 said:

Here's the thing about gen:LOCK Season 2: Toonami is part of [adult swim], and in 2020, [adult swim] will be part of HBO Max. So I think there's still a chance we see "early" premieres of each episode of gen:LOCK Season 2 on HBO Max on some weeknight at prime time followed by the episode airing on Toonami that Saturday night. I believe that it will most likely be an extension of how [as] handles its non-Toonami originals. Practically all of them streamed first in 2019. Rick & Morty MIGHT be the only exception.

Or not?  I can't keep up with all this conglomeration bullshit.  How are all these mega-mergers of media and entertainment companies not against anti-trust laws?!  Teddy Roosevelt would be sick!  Well, we'll see what happens, I guess.  DeMarco will be left quite out in the cold indeed if Toonami doesn't get the show after everything the block potentially did for Gen:Lock.

On 10/24/2019 at 2:35 PM, Jman said:

This is a big surprise, but I guess the Toonami airings did put the show over the top.  Let’s see what happens, and if HBO MAX is even affordable.  My current piece is if it replaces HBO Now/Go it will do fine.  If it’s on top of that, fuck no.

I have no idea.  I do I'm not going to get it just to watch Gen:Lock, and I've never been interested in HBO stuff in general.  Not that we could ever afford that or any other premium channels.  But various members of the family are all sharing Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime, and we'll probably get Disney+, so can't see us also getting that.  Actually, now that I think about it, my cousin and her boyfriend have HBO on their Apple TV. 

It turns out I was wise to avoid Game of Thrones all this time, if the show declined as badly as fans have said.  It's basically the Borgias and Medici that happens to take place in a fantasy setting, a political drama.  Can't say I was interested ever since it first came out.  The only episode I've ever actually seen was the last one, because they put it on when we were visiting one time.  You know how it goes when you have bunch of family in one place, and trying to find something to watch.  In everyone else's apathy, that Game of Thrones episode was thrown in favor of the people who were following it.  I will say one thing, if I was a fan of that Daenerys character, I would not be happy.  I was so ignorant to this show, I actually thought Emilia Clarke was black or bi-racial, because she looked like it in some of those dark-ass promotional shots Lucasfilm released for Solo!

So, maybe we/they may end up with HBO Max, after all, I don't know.  I guess I never tried to watch anything on HBO in recent years, because I never asked for the password for the HBO thing whatever it is, because I had no interest.  If it's even viewable on multiple devices.  I dunno how it works.  And I hate that fucking Apple TV remote.  If I ever have to get a smart TV or add-on to a TV for stuff like that, it won't be Apple.  I never have liked their products.  I use my computer and game consoles to watch streaming stuff.  If it's via PC, I have an HDMI hooked up from my PC so I can just use my TV as the monitor, for watching stuff.  And I just remembered that Suddenlink has Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, PLEX (whatever the fuck that is,) and Yahoo (don't know who the fuck is using that) on our TiVo DVRs.  Though I have no idea why the hell they would do that, though.  Put their competition right on their own DVR.  The Netflix, Hulu, and Youtube apps on the DVR are not that great, though.  Have no idea how outdated the DVR might be, though.  Don't want to switch them and lose our recordings.

[ben0119]

On 10/25/2019 at 11:40 PM, elfie said:

So like is this the week where all our doubts about anime news is proven false?

Were you referring to My Hero Academia?  I was hoping and somewhat confident it might show up, as I and others had theorized that maybe there was a method to the madness of those MHA reruns.  But I wasn't going to get my hopes up, and I know how many times DeMarco has dropped the ball before.  So, I suppose you could call those doubts, but we thought there was a pretty good shot for MHA to show up the way it did.  We thought Gen:Lock Season 2 had no chance in Hell of getting made, much less showing up on Toonami!

Also, this gaijin dog filth is not anime.

Edited October 27, 2019 by ben0119