The1gairon Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 With around 3/4 of this coming new schedule being filled with long-running shonen and no other bizarre comedy in sight, DeMarco's claim about Toonami "branching out into other genres" sounds once again like a betrayal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, elfie said: With around 3/4 of this coming new schedule being filled with long-running shonen and no other bizarre comedy in sight, DeMarco's claim about Toonami "branching out into other genres" sounds once again like a betrayal. Can you blame him once we saw Pop Team Epic’s ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I'm not sure what you call FLCL Alternative, but it isn't shonen, so there's that. And we MIGHT get Megalobox out of this. That's arguably in the sports sub-genre, and it would be badass between Super and AOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 Rule #6: no treating overall numbers as the only thing that matters. Just a friendly reminder. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMoltar Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 hour ago, elfie said: With around 3/4 of this coming new schedule being filled with long-running shonen and no other bizarre comedy in sight, DeMarco's claim about Toonami "branching out into other genres" sounds once again like a betrayal. If Kai and Naruto do well in prime time, which it does seem like that's the case, then that's only going to fuel the idea that shounen is what brings in the casual audience. If we see the same consistency after 11:30/12:00 when the new schedule takes effect, then it's clear that what they put in the later slots doesn't matter too much and I could see them using those for other genres. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 You'd think there's some kind over overlap between Super and AOT's fan base... Wonder what caused people to nope out that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 5 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: Rule #6: no treating overall numbers as the only thing that matters. Just a friendly reminder. Don't listen to this guy. Listen to this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 5 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: I'm not sure what you call FLCL Alternative, but it isn't shonen, so there's that. And we MIGHT get Megalobox out of this. That's arguably in the sports sub-genre, and it would be badass between Super and AOT. I rather see it as Haruko totally crashing a CGDCT moe anime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said: You'd think there's some kind over overlap between Super and AOT's fan base... Wonder what caused people to nope out that hard. Well for me personally, still watching AOT but.... it's completely lost the magic it had in S1. S2 killed it and S3 hasn't restored it. That's my best guess on why the ratings are that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Jman said: Can you blame him once we saw Pop Team Epic’s ratings? Yeah but come on, PTE was the worst case scenario for comedy. I'm hoping for Konosuba one day so hopefully he doesn't call it quits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Daos said: Well for me personally, still watching AOT but.... it's completely lost the magic it had in S1. S2 killed it and S3 hasn't restored it. That's my best guess on why the ratings are that bad. It seems AOT fans in particular REALLY hate the dub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, elfie said: It seems AOT fans in particular REALLY hate the dub. Eren's voice is a little annoying.... but the rest sounds good to me. Funimation dubs aren't good enough for these people anymore? =P 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) I remember some complaints when it came out about how Mikasa's name was pronounced as "Meekuhsuh" instead of "Mi Casa". ANN's review for the first couple episodes also brought up how the dub script changed the subtext and emotion behind certain character's lines, for example making Armin sound more like a smartass than a logical thinker in one scene. But if there's any reason for the depressing AOT drop, it's definitely the lacking hype from four years ago, plus the low-key OP for this season in particular. [like a fallen angel] Edited September 26, 2018 by PokeNirvash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) I guess that's why it's being pushed to midnight? But hopefully it will start to grow its audience again after the move. I have a feeling all this setup is leading to something that will really blow fans away! But it's also a little hamstrung this season since it's like 5 weeks behind the subtitles. Compared to last season's 3-week delay, that might be an issue. However, ironically the best season we've seen ratings-wise was a full 10 months behind! Edited September 26, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Daos said: Yeah but come on, PTE was the worst case scenario for comedy. I'm hoping for Konosuba one day so hopefully he doesn't call it quits. KonoSuba! is probably never getting dubbed. I'm genuinely at a loss as to why a show can go almost three years to its premiere without Crunchyroll even sniffing it. Heck, maybe they somehow don't think it's as popular as it is. Either way, you're getting Planet With on Toonami, and you're going to like it, stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, Blatch said: KonoSuba! is probably never getting dubbed. I'm genuinely at a loss as to why a show can go almost three years to its premiere without Crunchyroll even sniffing it. Heck, maybe they somehow don't think it's as popular as it is. Either way, you're getting Planet With on Toonami, and you're going to like it, stupid. If Re Zero got dubbed Konosuba will eventually. I've heard good things about Planet With =P PTE can still go eat a bowl of ball soup. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, elfie said: It seems AOT fans in particular REALLY hate the dub. The animosity towards it continues to grow, and current 18 year olds most likely too young to remember when dubbed anime was all over TV and were raised on subbed shit from Crunchyroll. The target demographic for Toonami's revival, as old as it makes me feel, are getting married / having kids etc., and the purpose of dubs being a gateway to entry for a new generation has instead turned into a point of contention, and thus have become obsolete. Edited September 26, 2018 by MasqueradeOverture 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Blatch said: KonoSuba! is probably never getting dubbed. I'm genuinely at a loss as to why a show can go almost three years to its premiere without Crunchyroll even sniffing it. Heck, maybe they somehow don't think it's as popular as it is. Either way, you're getting Planet With on Toonami, and you're going to like it, stupid. Only sometime in deep, dark '19 after Gundam Thunderbolt airs! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 10 hours ago, Blatch said: KonoSuba! is probably never getting dubbed. I'm genuinely at a loss as to why a show can go almost three years to its premiere without Crunchyroll even sniffing it. Heck, maybe they somehow don't think it's as popular as it is. Either way, you're getting Planet With on Toonami, and you're going to like it, stupid. I can't make heads or tails out of Planet With. Should've been twice as long as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Week 13 of Dragon Ball Super's weeknight run, the unlucky, terminal week, begins with a thud: https://programminginsider.com/monday-final-ratings-manifest-impresses-in-series-debut-first-ever-nbc-monday-telecast-to-grow-out-of-an-original-the-voice-telecast/ Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.346 million viewers (#76) • 0.22 HH (#76) • 0.14 A18-49 (#61) • 0.16 A18-34 (#37) • 0.13 A25-54 (#70) Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.399 million viewers (#69) • 0.24 HH (#75) • 0.17 A18-49 (#42) • 0.17 A18-34 (#33) • 0.15 A25-54 (#59) Mondays suck! But at least the demos weren't too bad. That 346K total viewers is a new low though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, elfie said: I can't make heads or tails out of Planet With. Should've been twice as long as it was. That's precisely why people love it so much. It (apparently) manages to squish the plot of a year-long mecha series into just 12 episodes, which makes it a triumphant example of how to competently direct and manage show composition. It could've been longer, but that's not the point. I'd much rather have it than the next Gundam show, owing to its uniqueness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 So then it's similar to Gurren Lagann?? Well then I hope it makes its appearance on the Better Cartoon Show, IF it ever gets a DUB. Some more interesting notes about Saturday: https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-tiger-woods-boosts-tour-championship-on-nbc-to-its-best-third-round-coverage-in-15-years/ Home Movies (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.316 million viewers (#90) • 0.21 HH (#88) • 0.12 A18-49 (#80) • 0.13 A18-34 (#42) • 0.10 A25-54 (#98) Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 8:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.546 million viewers (#60) • 0.35 HH (#60) • 0.22 A18-49 (#26) • 0.20 A18-34 (#16) • 0.19 A25-54 (#56) Family Guy (repeat) (ADSM, 9:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.724 million viewers (#38) • 0.46 HH (#39) • 0.31 A18-49 (#10) • 0.31 A18-34 (#7) • 0.28 A25-54 (#25) Rick & Morty (repeat) (ADSM, 9:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.690 million viewers (#43) • 0.44 HH (#43) • 0.32 A18-49 (#9) • 0.34 A18-34 (#5) • 0.27 A25-54 (#29) My Hero Academia (repeat) (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.621 million viewers (#48) • 0.40 HH (#48) • 0.28 A18-49 (#17) • 0.33 A18-34 (#6) • 0.23 A25-54 (#38) Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.819 million viewers (#32) • 0.49 HH (#34) • 0.35 A18-49 (#7) • 0.41 A18-34 (#4) • 0.31 A25-54 (#21) Super won the night in all the key demos. Of course, as a consequence of moving to 11 PM, we won't get to know that anymore. It will probably be a battle between Kai and Super each week to see who wins the night, though Boruto might steal the show since it's on earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) Kiss My Butt! https://programminginsider.com/tuesday-final-ratings-new-amsterdam-series-debut-matches-nbcs-highest-rated-in-season-telecast-within-time-slot-in-two-years/ Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.369 million viewers (#82) • 0.24 HH (#82) • 0.14 A18-49 (#70) • 0.16 A18-34 (#34) • 0.12 A25-54 (#95) Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.371 million viewers (#81) • 0.25 HH (#80) • 0.15 A18-49 (#64) • 0.15 A18-34 (#37) • 0.14 A25-54 (#80) That's a bit improved from Monday, but Week 13 is still dead-last in almost every category. Here's hoping tonight and tomorrow can turn that around... Edited September 27, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Looks like Week 13 is cursed--it STILL can't seem to break 400K... https://programminginsider.com/wednesday-final-ratings-mediocre-debuts-for-single-parents-and-a-million-little-things-on-abc/ Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.390 million viewers (#83) • 0.26 HH (#82) • 0.14 A18-49 (#71) • 0.14 A18-34 (#47) • 0.13 A25-54 (#80) Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.356 million viewers (#87) • 0.26 HH (#82) • 0.13 A18-49 (#78) • 0.16 A18-34 (#38) • 0.12 A25-54 (#87) That's quite a drop in total viewers, but oddly enough Households stayed flat and 18-49s grew! I guess casual viewers didn't mind seeing weaker versions of the show's biggest villains! Only one more ratings report to go for the first weeknight run an anime series has had on Adult Swim since 2008... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Well, it turns out Dragon Ball Super is not without its "smart" fans, and DAMN did they EVER turn out to send DBS's last weeknight not only over 400K, but...well, I'll just let you have a look for yourself at the results! https://programminginsider.com/thursday-final-ratings-20-million-watch-brett-kavanaugh-hearing-across-six-networks/ Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.) • 0.507 million viewers (#60) • 0.29 HH (#64) • 0.18 A18-49 (#36) • 0.19 A18-34 (#18) • 0.17 A25-54 (#49) Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:30 PM, 30 min.) • 0.480 million viewers (#63) • 0.30 HH (#61) • 0.18 A18-49 (#36) • 0.17 A18-34 (#23) • 0.17 A25-54 (#49) That broke the curse, but was it enough to keep Week 13 from being dead last? Look and see for yourselves! Dragon Ball Super M-F Weekly Avgs Wk P2+ HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 #1 453,800 0.283 0.150 0.173 0.143 #2 456,000 0.288 0.174 0.216 0.148 #3 438,800 0.264 0.152 0.184 0.132 #4 421,200 0.258 0.150 0.186 0.134 #5 415,800 0.272 0.158 0.178 0.146 #6 454,200 0.288 0.164 0.180 0.158 #7 441,600 0.282 0.166 0.190 0.148 #8 400,200 0.262 0.150 0.158 0.134 #9 426,000 0.270 0.158 0.178 0.150 #10 441,200 0.280 0.158 0.184 0.156 #11 420,400 0.276 0.169 0.187 0.156 #12 448,800 0.291 0.170 0.188 0.160 #13 402,250 0.258 0.154 0.163 0.141 Dragon Ball Super Day-Of-Week Averages DOW P2+ HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 MON 408,938 0.259 0.151 0.174 0.138 TUE 431,688 0.275 0.165 0.180 0.150 WED 420,813 0.278 0.163 0.183 0.150 THU 465,063 0.292 0.167 0.197 0.152 FRI 431,077 0.272 0.156 0.176 0.150 Dragon Ball Super Recent Week's Weeknight Ratings Week 13 Viewers HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 9/24, 8PM 346,000 0.22 0.14 0.16 0.13 9/24, 8:30 399,000 0.24 0.17 0.17 0.15 9/25, 8PM 369,000 0.24 0.14 0.16 0.12 9/25, 8:30 371,000 0.25 0.15 0.15 0.14 9/26, 8PM 390,000 0.26 0.14 0.14 0.13 9/26, 8:30 356,000 0.26 0.13 0.16 0.12 9/27, 8PM 507,000 0.29 0.18 0.19 0.17 9/27, 8:30 480,000 0.30 0.18 0.17 0.17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) In the end, Thursday was the best day of the week by a pretty wide margin to run Dragon Ball Super. Toonami Throwback Thursday, anyone??? Continuing with the analysis... Dragon Ball Super Weeknight Ratings Rank (Across ALL Primetime Cable) Week 13 Viewers HH 18-49 18-34 25-54 9/24, 8PM #76 #76 #61 #37 #70 9/24, 8:30 #69 #75 #42 #33 #59 9/25, 8PM #82 #82 #70 #34 #95 9/25, 8:30 #81 #80 #64 #37 #80 9/26, 8PM #83 #82 #71 #47 #80 9/26, 8:30 #87 #82 #78 #38 #87 9/27, 8PM #60 #64 #36 #18 #49 9/27, 8:30 #63 #61 #36 #23 #49 For all its faults, Week 13 DID score Top 40 in 18-34 for every episode but one! HERE ARE THE GRAND AVERAGES: Total Viewers 431.5K Households 0.2751 Adults 18-49 0.1605 Adults 18-34 0.1820 Adults 25-54 0.1479 And what's below should officially wrap this run up in a nice package: DOW Max of Viewers Max of HH Max of 18-49 Max of 18-34 Max of 25-54 MON 494,000 0.29 0.17 0.21 0.16 TUE 554,000 0.34 0.23 0.23 0.21 WED 505,000 0.36 0.22 0.24 0.2 THU 540,000 0.32 0.19 0.26 0.18 FRI 576,000 0.31 0.21 0.24 0.2 DOW Min of Viewers Min of HH Min of 18-49 Min of 18-34 Min of 25-54 MON 346,000 0.22 0.12 0.13 0.11 TUE 354,000 0.23 0.14 0.14 0.11 WED 354,000 0.23 0.12 0.13 0.11 THU 399,000 0.27 0.12 0.16 0.13 FRI 351,000 0.24 0.12 0.13 0.11 Edited September 29, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Finally, because PI only tracks Live+3 of Primetime (8 PM-11 PM) shows, this is probably the last time we'll see delayed viewing numbers from Dragon Ball Super for a while: https://programminginsider.com/live3-weekly-ratings-the-sinner-season-finale-leads-all-original-prime-time-telecasts-in-percentage-gains/ My Hero Academia [R] (ADSM, Sat., 9/22/18 10:00 PM) • Live+Same Day: 0.621 million viewers / 0.357 million adults 18-49 (0.28 adults 18-49 rating) • Live+3 Day: 0.709 million viewers (+0.088M; +14.17%) / 0.410 million adults 18-49 (0.32 adults 18-49 rating) (+0.053M; +0.04 rating; +14.85%) Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, Sat., 9/22/18 10:30 PM) • Live+Same Day: 0.820 million viewers / 0.458 million adults 18-49 (0.36 adults 18-49 rating) • Live+3 Day: 1.115 million viewers (+0.295M; +35.98%) / 0.653 million adults 18-49 (0.51 adults 18-49 rating) (+0.195M; +0.15 rating; +42.58%) But starting next week we SHOULD see delayed viewing numbers from Boruto and Naruto Shippuden, continue to see them from MHA, and maybe even DBZ Kai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectRevolt25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Wow... wtf happened to the ratings? They... look terrible now. And despite all that, Toonami seems to look bigger than ever. Man... I really wish with them airing Boruto, that they’d just trash Shippuden and put One Piece back on. I know I know, it was dropped due to ratings and costs... but if these are the ratings we’re averaging now... I don’t see OP doing any worse. I mean goddamn DBS is doing 700,000s regularly now. Kai used to do millions. Clearly... ratings don’t matter anymore. i just wish.... 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Well when you think about how low PTE and FLCL go... FLCL doing 400k as a dub premiere, and the very new PTE doing sub 400k.... there's really no way One Piece would do any worse. And FLCL was probably a big expense. I don't see how OP wasn't cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectRevolt25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) I really just wish they would air the next saga. The Saboady, Amazon Lily, Impel Down, Marineford arc stretch of episodes are among the best content OP has. I don’t even care if they trash it again right before the timeskip... I just would like them to at least air this era of OP. Especially since it’s redundant to air TWO Naruto series. It’s like, c’mon. Edited October 2, 2018 by ProjectRevolt25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Remember: Rome was not re-built in a day... While I was hoping for a little better than that out of Boruto and Super, one Family Guy IS a pretty weak lead-in. Here's hoping Puss In Boots holds Toonami up better next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 11 hours ago, ProjectRevolt25 said: Wow... wtf happened to the ratings? They... look terrible now. And despite all that, Toonami seems to look bigger than ever. Man... I really wish with them airing Boruto, that they’d just trash Shippuden and put One Piece back on. I know I know, it was dropped due to ratings and costs... but if these are the ratings we’re averaging now... I don’t see OP doing any worse. I mean goddamn DBS is doing 700,000s regularly now. Kai used to do millions. Clearly... ratings don’t matter anymore. i just wish.... 😞 Nice try Moose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 All I see is fuckin football. Waiter, there's a football in my Toonami. ... so 7 hours of programming, and still we only get like 5 shows on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 362 for AOT, the magic is gone yo. PTE did 350ish last week, so basically AOT now does PTE numbers. Edited October 2, 2018 by Daos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Football and Live PD. I like college football, but by about 9 PM I kinda get tired of it unless I'm at a live game (I was.) As for Live PD, I can't believe people actually watch that crap. I have NEVER under any circumstances seen it on a TV around town, so it must do really bad in my hometown market. I want to believe this new lineup will be successful in a way that nothing has been in a while, but I don't think we're there yet. I think Toonami is still struggling to find the right lead-in, and that lead-in is about to be provided by CN. This week was kind of a throwaway week in terms of ratings compared to what will be in the coming weeks. Here's hoping Puss In Boots (10/6) and Alvin & The Chipmunks: Road Chip (10/13, according to my onscreen guide) do better than played-out Home Movies and Family Guy, though it goes without saying I have a LOT more faith in the former than in the latter. I also predict that beyond College Football, with Toonami and Live PD beginning at the same time, more people will begin to choose Toonami over Live PD. That seems to be key to me. Edited October 2, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Hallmark original movies are teh s uck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectRevolt25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Jman said: Nice try Moose. I’m just saying, I know none of you guys would prefer Naruto and Boruto, to say, Boruto and One Piece. We don’t need two Naruto series. And it’s not like I’m asking to get rid of a good show, like My Hero or AoT. No one will miss Shippuden and they still get their Naru fix anyway with Boruto. Ratings don’t matter anymore. Look how terrible they are. Let’s just put One Piece back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, ProjectRevolt25 said: I’m just saying, I know none of you guys would prefer Naruto and Boruto, to say, Boruto and One Piece. We don’t need two Naruto series. And it’s not like I’m asking to get rid of a good show, like My Hero or AoT. No one will miss Shippuden and they still get their Naru fix anyway with Boruto. Ratings don’t matter anymore. Look how terrible they are. Let’s just put One Piece back. Moose, you don’t get it, do you? Toei was asking for a small fortune for OP which is why DeMarco cut it loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) I think part of the reason we lost One Piece is BECAUSE ratings are too low for it to be sustainable. One Piece is basically like the Star Wars of Japan in terms of popularity, and that takes a pretty big windfall to maintain. You just don't get that from less than about 400K adults 18-49, and it averaged around 350K in early 2017, so they had to get rid of it. As much as I hate to admit it, Gundam might be in the same boat right now. Unicorn dipping below 400K 18-49 twice was probably the red flag that sent its 2nd half down to 2 AM, and then while we got IBO Season 2, it's not hard to imagine they probably lost money on it. I hope I am proven wrong and Toonami can get a shorter Gundam show like Thunderbolt, or perhaps go in a different direction by running an HD remaster of G sometime after midnight, but I'm not holding my breath. The ratings LOOK bad, but I imagine it's more than enough to sustain franchises which are super popular in America but not necessarily in Japan. True, Dragon Ball 2010s Movies and Super DID have a homeland component, but their main component of production was probably perceived international success, and of course Dragon Ball is a juggernaut like no other anime in the U.S. The Naruto franchise, MHA, AOT, and JoJo are kind of in the same boat. This all does beg the question regarding whether or not an original production like FLCL '18 is adequately successful. There is evidence that Progressive was, but it's hard to argue the same for Alternative. I think in terms of those originals, however, ratings must be considered together with iTunes downloads, of which both Progressive and Alternative have done pretty well. Edited October 2, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 And because ALL anime on cable gets those kinds of ratings due to so many people ditching cable, One Piece has no chance of returning there, ever. Unless Toei gets a new outlook/new CEO with an entirely different viewpoint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectRevolt25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jman said: Moose, you don’t get it, do you? Toei was asking for a small fortune for OP which is why DeMarco cut it loose. Then I really hope that tidbit gets resolved. Shippuden still airing is redundant. And ratings don’t seem to matter anymore so this damn cost thing is a nuisance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) I just feel bad because a lot of what Toonami airs appeals to the older American crowd (yes, most of them are considered kids stuff in Japan, but here we have different rules for what is considered kids stuff), and them airing them earlier in the day means there's less of a chance that those people will be able to watch it. I KNOW I won't be able ot catch MHA at 9:30 PM on a Saturday all the time! You serious?? I got plans in my adult life! Edited October 2, 2018 by elfie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectRevolt25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said: I think part of the reason we lost One Piece is BECAUSE ratings are too low for it to be sustainable. One Piece is basically like the Star Wars of Japan in terms of popularity, and that takes a pretty big windfall to maintain. You just don't get that from less than about 400K adults 18-49, and it averaged around 350K in early 2017, so they had to get rid of it. As much as I hate to admit it, Gundam might be in the same boat right now. Unicorn dipping below 400K 18-49 twice was probably the red flag that sent its 2nd half down to 2 AM, and then while we got IBO Season 2, it's not hard to imagine they probably lost money on it. I hope I am proven wrong and Toonami can get a shorter Gundam show like Thunderbolt, or perhaps go in a different direction by running an HD remaster of G sometime after midnight, but I'm not holding my breath. The ratings LOOK bad, but I imagine it's more than enough to sustain franchises which are super popular in America but not necessarily in Japan. True, Dragon Ball 2010s Movies and Super DID have a homeland component, but their main component of production was probably perceived international success, and of course Dragon Ball is a juggernaut like no other anime in the U.S. The Naruto franchise, MHA, AOT, and JoJo are kind of in the same boat. This all does beg the question regarding whether or not an original production like FLCL '18 is adequately successful. There is evidence that Progressive was, but it's hard to argue the same for Alternative. But like I said, it’d probably do just fine considering the ratings now. Im sure every show on the lineup that’s based on popular series (MHA, AoT, Naruto) is expensive and yet they’re still existing despite the terrible ratings - OP would do just fine in today’s age. I mean... AoT... under 400K... nothing can fail with these numbers being the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) You don't get it, do you? One Piece is like the freaking SIMPSONS in Japan. It airs at like 7 PM on the equivalent of Fox. Adult Swim can't even GET the Simpsons. That is an obstacle. One Piece just isn't popular enough in America to be sustainable, so they had to cut it off after Season 6. Meanwhile, AOT airs at 12:35 AM Sunday nights on the NHK, a public-service channel which is the equivalent of our PBS. So it would be like their Downton Abbey, except that still aired during primetime, not late-night, so I suppose that makes it like Poldark? WE actually STILL get a better timeslot since it's at Midnight here (hell, I'll bet the Japanese were actually JEALOUS we got the first 5 episodes of this season at 11 PM), and unlike them, all 3 seasons are on Adult Swim. When it comes to AOT, we are so lucky! So imagine you're a foreign company trying to acquire a U.S. show for localization. Which one do you think you need better ratings to acquire, the Simpsons, or Poldark? Edited October 2, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectRevolt25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said: You don't get it, do you? One Piece is like the freaking SIMPSONS in Japan. It airs at like 7 PM on the equivalent of Fox. Adult Swim can't even GET the Simpsons. That is an obstacle. One Piece just isn't popular enough in America to be sustainable, so they had to cut it off after Season 6. Meanwhile, AOT airs at 12:35 AM Sunday nights on the NHK, a public-service channel which is the equivalent of our PBS. So it would be like their Downton Abbey, except that still aired during primetime, not late-night, so I suppose that makes it like NOVA? WE actually STILL get a better timeslot since it's at Midnight here (hell, I'll bet the Japanese were actually JEALOUS we got the first 5 episodes of this season at 11 PM), and unlike them, all 3 seasons are on Adult Swim. When it comes to AOT, we are so lucky! So imagine you're a foreign company trying to acquire a U.S. show for localization. Which one do you think you need better ratings to acquire, the Simpsons, or NOVA? It’s actually airs in Japan on Sunday mornings. And again, Naruto and MHA are big titles over in Japan as well, they’re getting shit ratings here, but they’re still sustaining. I doubt OP is that much more expensive and clearly performance wise, at this point, I doubt it’ll do much worse. If they can afford Naruto, and not be deterred by the low ratings EVERY SHOW is getting at this point - I doubt OP will be much of a problem. Unless Toei is randomly selling OP for a drastically higher price, even compared to other popular anime - which I find hard to believe. Edited October 2, 2018 by ProjectRevolt25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Okay, so if Fuji TV is FOX, then that means... TV Tokyo = NBC YTV = ABC Nippon TV = CBS NHK = PBS TV Asahi = The CW WOWOW = HBO/Showtime AT-X = Cinemax Right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said: Okay, so if Fuji TV is FOX, then that means... TV Tokyo = NBC YTV = ABC Nippon TV = CBS NHK = PBS TV Asahi = The CW WOWOW = HBO/Showtime AT-X = Cinemax Right? More or less. One Piece has one last chance to be a mainstream hit here. The live action series. And unless that ends up on HBO, the old Home Boobs Office, I don’t see it lasting that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProjectRevolt25 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Jman said: More or less. One Piece has one last chance to be a mainstream hit here. The live action series. And unless that ends up on HBO, the old Home Boobs Office, I don’t see it lasting that long. But that’s the thing - look at these ratings - you don’t need to be a mainstream hit to be fine on Toonami. Apparently. Edited October 2, 2018 by ProjectRevolt25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 26 minutes ago, ProjectRevolt25 said: But that’s the thing - look at these ratings - you don’t need to be a mainstream hit to be fine on Toonami. Apparently. Then it shouldn’t cost so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 So the lifetime ban is over or what? =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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