FLCL S01 April 14th at 11:30 pm

[korosu]

promo aired after family guy ended right before 3:30

[OwlChemist81]

What the hell is going on!?

I guess that corroborates the April 14th schedule. Guess a lot of shows are moving down.

Either that, or Black Clover is falling all the way from 11:30 to 1:30?

Also, gotta be a new show in May replacing Gundam IBO.

EDIT: WAAAAAAAAAAIT A MINUTE...

I actually believe Toonami is expanding again to accommodate FLCL. It only makes sense this time!

I believe the plan is to re-air Season 1 at 11:30, then re-air it TWICE on Memorial Day weekend, with LOTS of exclusive sneak peeks of FLCL 2! Only way that happens is if Toonami runs for 6 hours so all 6 episodes can be shown TWICE (and it might be fun if subtitled the 2nd time).

So that would give us:

10 PM DBS/DBZK Power Hour
11 PM Black Clover
11:30 4/7 Countdown/Scavengers; 4/14 FLCL S1
12 AM JJBA:SC
12:30 Gundam IBO; 5/5 New Show TBD
1 AM Hunter x Hunter
1:30 Shippuden
2 AM Space Dandy
2:30 Bebop x2 or TBD
3:30 GITS 2nd Gig

Then again, it could stay as it is with Black Clover moving down, then expand to 10 PM on 5/28...

Edited April 2, 2018 by OwlChemist81

[korosu]

black clover is not a worthy lead in for flcl though. i don't expect it to take kai's slot. shippuden would be best. and kai is 100% memorial day's marathon.

hopefully the schedule updates in an hour and a half. bebop could rerun or flcl could rerun later (same episode but rerun later in the night too) or they could double on space dandy or 2nd gig because 2nd gig's end date doesn't matter anymore.

Edited April 2, 2018 by korosu

[Daos]

BC might be a lead in for a rerun of FLCL S1.

If it's a lead in for S2 they're just on crack.

[Jman]

It was inevitable S1 was going to air in the lead in to S2.

How that reflects on S2 and S3 remains a mystery.

[Blatch]

Just when I thought they couldn't drag out the reveal of a new show any longer... 

But yeah, this makes enough sense. With the original FLCL flowing right into the sequels, that franchise will probably have a stronghold on the 11:30 slot for the rest of the year. It just really sucks that this is basically Outlaw Star's replacement. I wanted something that was new to the block, regardless of if it was amazing.

And now I'm paranoid that they're somehow going to fuck up Gundam IBO's departure and have that not be new. Say hello to Season 2 of The Big O, everybody!

[Jman]

I wonder if Tim and Eric will throw another bitch fit like the rumored one over S2 getting more money than Awesome Show because WS still wants to do Big O 3.

I was just starting to like them again too.

I’m pretty sure the bulk of Toonami’s budget went towards the new FLCL so we should brace ourselves for slim, SLIM pickings and pushing the reruns to exhaustion.  I mean, the strategy makes sense, they’re seen as second fiddle because their stuff is airing elsewhere first while other services have the rights to or are making exclusives, but they only have so much money to go around.

Edited April 2, 2018 by Jman

[Blatch]

I would be a little bit more optimistic, but yeah. DeMarco has said there's new stuff coming, and I want to hold him at that, but it's also really suspect that we're over a quarter of the way into the year and not one new show has premiered.

[The1gairon]

1. I called it. They will rerun FLCL 01 before the premiere of 2. 

2. Airing it at 11:30 is a shock! Not only do I consider it way too risque for that time of the night, but they're going to shuffle the rest of the block AGAIN??  I mean this guarantees that the DBZ shows won't be affected because they're the untouchable DBZ shows, but man are they asking for it! Maybe this is why they ran double Bebop.

[Misaka]

Black clover needs the one piece treatment

[PokeNirvash]

21 minutes ago, elfie said:

1. I called it. They will rerun FLCL 01 before the premiere of 2. 

2. Airing it at 11:30 is a shock! Not only do I consider it way too risque for that time of the night, but they're going to shuffle the rest of the block AGAIN??  I mean this guarantees that the DBZ shows won't be affected because they're the untouchable DBZ shows, but man are they asking for it! Maybe this is why they ran double Bebop.

When FLCL premiered back in 2003, it aired at midnight on the dot. And that goes without mentioning that one Burger King "Have It Your Way" night from 2006 where FLCL aired in its entirety from 11 to 2. 11:30 is not. TOO. RISQUE for a show that was potentially scandalous for freaking 2000.

As for the schedule, I'm guessing DB Super and DBZ Kai stay where they are, Black Clover through Space Dandy moves down half an hour, only one Bebop rerun, and GITS stays put.

[korosu]

4 hours ago, Jman said:

WS still wants to do Big O 3

 

1 hour ago, elfie said:

too risque for that time of the night

Adult Swim can air TV-MA stuff at 9 pm (FLCL isn't) and FLCL could air at 8 if they wanted to.

[OwlChemist81]

FLCL S2 not only could, it SHOULD air reruns outside of Toonami! If you ask me, it will probably get a treatment similar to Samurai Jack, but maybe not that much oversaturation. I don't see it getting a weeknight rerun, for example, but I DO see it getting an 8 PM rerun the next week!

[korosu]

black clover moves to 1 am

bebop reruns

[Blatch]

Well now... I wonder if they had to argue with the licensor on that one. Some people would probably argue that Black Clover isn't on late enough, or that Shippuden should be moved up a bit, but I'm happy with this change. And not moving Gundam: IBO pretty much confirms that they'll (at least try to) replace it with a new show, as if it was ever in doubt to begin with. Let's keep our fingers crossed...

[Jman]

3 hours ago, korosu said:

black clover moves to 1 am

bebop reruns

BEBOPAIRZLOL as the budget is pushed to the breaking point.

If FLCL 2 and 3 flop the block will feel it for years.

[korosu]

facebook post may suggest only bebop 1 and 2 air:

This Saturday night, Toonami’s taking you on a few sci-fi adventures. Catch Countdown and Scavengers this Saturday night at 11:30p!

Plus, check the schedule below for the next two weeks!

4/7:
10:30p – Dragon Ball Super
11:00p – Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters
11:30p – Countdown / Scavengers
12:00a – JoJo: Stardust Crusaders
12:30a – Gundam: IBO
1:00a – Black Clover
1:30a – Hunter x Hunter
2:00a – Naruto: Shippuden
2:30a – Space Dandy
3:00a – Cowboy Bebop
3:30a – Ghost in the Shell: SAC 2nd GIG

4/14:
10:30p – Dragon Ball Super
11:00p – Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters
11:30p – FLCL Season 1
12:00a – JoJo: Stardust Crusaders
12:30a – Gundam: IBO
1:00a – Black Clover
1:30a – Hunter x Hunter
2:00a – Naruto: Shippuden
2:30a – Space Dandy
3:00a – Cowboy Bebop
3:30a – Ghost in the Shell: SAC 2nd GIG

Edited April 3, 2018 by korosu

[OwlChemist81]

Yeah, all they say is that's the schedule for the next 2 weeks. No reason to believe that it will be any different for the following 2 weeks either, but with Gundam IBO ending on 4/28 we can expect a new show on 5/5. You just barely beat me posting this snazzy version:

*FLCL Season 1 replaces Countdown/Scavengers on 4/14.

The stream is down right now, so no telling right now whether or not the past week's Champloo return on the stream was merely a flash in the pan or not. They may continue it with Episodes #11-#15 this week, and I hope they do, but it's clear that it's not replacing Bebop.

Speaking of Champloo, I'm really hoping FLCL 1 pulls a Champloo and manages to hold DBZ Kai's ratings better than Black Clover. That show was unapologetically making JoJo and Gundam look like crap, and they deserve better. What's funny is 3 years ago FLCL and JoJo Egypt Arc back-to-back would have been a dream lineup; let's see if it can still have the magic touch 3 years later!

[Blatch]

At this point, I think Champloo is a likely choice to replace Ghost in the Shell: SAC when it ends. Granted, they could do all sorts of things with that half-hour, including rerunning GiTS from the beginning, bringing back Outlaw Star for another run, or even dropping the slot entirely, but I bet they would love the sheer novelty of having three Watanabe shows in a row to end the block.

[OwlChemist81]

I could see Space Dandy being replaced by 2014's Terror In Resonance too. But I REALLY hope they don't air Kids On The Slope, though that timeslot would also be perfect for it. Their Watanaboner knows no bounds now that they're not just limited to action shows. Mixing in a little suspense or drama into the block wouldn't hurt at that late hour!

[korosu]

considering gits hasn't gotten a complete hd run because of Idolator, i'm all for another run unless they want to just air that episode 

[korosu]

well apparently bebop is actually rerunning

[OwlChemist81]

3 minutes ago, korosu said:

well apparently bebop is actually rerunning

Yeah. I'll admit I gave it "no chance in hell", but yes, it is.

This is the first time they've rerun a series in the same timeslot right after it finished in a long LONG time. But it's 3 AM so who cares?

Then again, I can see this happening with FLCL Progressive and FLCL Alternative later this year as well. But I really wouldn't have a problem with that either.

I believe from 4/14 onward, FLCL is going to lock down the 11:30 PM timeslot for most of the rest of the year save for holiday marathons:
4/14-5/19 FLCL Classic; 6/2-7/7 FLCL Progressive Premiere; 7/14-8/18 FLCL Progressive Encore; 9/8-10/13 FLCL Alternative Premiere; 10/20, 11/3, 11/10, 11/17, 12/1, 12/8 FLCL Alternative Encore. Yes, that leaves 8/25 (so we MIGHT have an Independence Day "weekend" marathon on 6/30 or 7/7 after all) and 12/15, but I guess they could always fall back on TIEs or other one-offs.

HOWEVER, I kinda hope they DON'T do that. FLCL Alternative aired at Midnight on 4/1, so that might be a clue. It occurs to me it would make sense for Attack on Titan Season 3 to replace FLCL Progressive, and for FLCL Alternative to replace JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders. That actually seems to work out fine assuming we will have marathons on Memorial Day Weekend, 4th of July Weekend, and Labor Day Weekend...well, almost. There's still one more week that would need a "filler". Maybe they would actually dare to re-air the subtitled version? Doubt that though. But assuming that schedule issue could be worked out, it would make a lot more sense to have FLCL Progressive marathon on Labor Day weekend, and FLCL Alternative marathon on Halloween weekend, perhaps with movies afterward to fill out the time. For Toonami to air a dub of Mind Game if it ever gets one would be mindblowing, and then of course the Cowboy Bebop movie would be perfect for Halloween weekend!

 

Edited April 3, 2018 by OwlChemist81

[korosu]

should also be happening with the new flcl seasons at 11:30

[Blatch]

12 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Yeah. I'll admit I gave it "no chance in hell", but yes, it is.

This is the first time they've rerun a series in the same timeslot right after it finished in a long LONG time. But it's 3 AM so who cares?

Samurai Jack S5 wasn't even a year ago. 

[OwlChemist81]

11 minutes ago, Blatch said:

Samurai Jack S5 wasn't even a year ago. 

Wait, you're right. But they didn't make it all the way through that one so I forgot about it! It did make it as long as Space Dandy before that got relegated to 12:30 to welcome Attack on Titan.

That also is a strike against simply encoring Progressive and Alternative at 11:30. But when it's not the first show on the block, it probably matters less. Besides, if FLCL Alternative would be at Midnight instead of 11:30, JoJo ends too early.

[Daos]

So BC got punted to the back after Gundam eh? Ouch.

[PokeNirvash]

I don't think a show's been kicked down more than an hour in the schedule since Tenchi Muyo! GXP's move from 1:00 to 3:00.

[Daos]

Well it was absolutely tanking. Mid 70's retention and key demo retention coming painfully close to dipping into the 60's

It just takes them such an alarmingly long time to adjust though. We're like.. 16 episodes in. How long did it take for them to punt GXP?

[Gyaos]

HXH got pushed to 1:30 AM, huh? Shit.

[Daos]

They really have no confidence in HxH for some reason.

As someone that only enjoyed one arc and doesn't watch it anymore, can we at least admit it's better than Gundam or BC? It clowned Gundam in the ratings last week with 118 percent in the key demo. Gundam bombed hard.

And it has an assload of episodes left. I really don't understand their decision making process at all.

While I was typing this, they probably acquired Gundam Thunderbolt.

 

[ameakooo]

2 hours ago, Daos said:

They really have no confidence in HxH for some reason.

As someone that only enjoyed one arc and doesn't watch it anymore, can we at least admit it's better than Gundam or BC? It clowned Gundam in the ratings last week with 118 percent in the key demo. Gundam bombed hard.

And it has an assload of episodes left. I really don't understand their decision making process at all.

While I was typing this, they probably acquired Gundam Thunderbolt.

 

I suppose I'm a bit biased as a huge fan of Hunter x Hunter, but the decision seems pretty silly to me as well. the show has historically held its audience pretty well, especially compared to the likes of Jojo and Gundam. given that, I've always thought it was weird how its never been bumped up earlier in the night, especially considering how much "breathing room" is in the earlier hours now. it might tie into how much the license to air each show costs, but that's just speculation at that point. who knows.

[The1gairon]

Saw a promo.  One big reason they were able to run MiND GAME was because it's coming out on Blu-ray this year, and the ad also plugged its availability on VRV!

[Blatch]

I have to assume they don't care where HxH airs because it's a show with a fixed number of episodes. Therefore, it doesn't have a very high chance of being cancelled. As long as it's just barely hanging over the line to make a profit, it'll stay, so there's nothing to worry about.

[PokeNirvash]

9 hours ago, Daos said:

Well it was absolutely tanking. Mid 70's retention and key demo retention coming painfully close to dipping into the 60's

It just takes them such an alarmingly long time to adjust though. We're like.. 16 episodes in. How long did it take for them to punt GXP?

It was after episode 3's ratings came in that they announced the schedule change, though it only took place after episode 5.

[OwlChemist81]

Tenchi Muyo! GXP premiered on November 10, 2012, at 12:30, replacing Casshern Sins. Episode 4 began its decay to 1 AM when Naruto came in on December 1, then Thundercats (which was pretty much red-hot for the time) was boosted to its peak position of 1 AM on December 15, and THAT'S WHEN GXP fell to 3 AM with Episode 6.

On ‎4‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 11:12 AM, Misaka said:

Black clover needs the one piece treatment

Funny you should mention that, because if you'll remember the lineup on 1/31/15, DBZ Kai was at 11:30, followed by Shippuden at Midnight (yes, it WAS actually that early at one time), followed by InuYasha: The Final Act at 12:30, and then One Piece at 1. The following week, 2/7/15, One Piece had been demoted to 2:30, DOWN 3 slots.

Flash forward to today. Black Clover just aired its last time at 11:30 last week, and this week it starts at 1, ALSO DOWN 3 slots! So, in a very real way, it DID get the One Piece treatment! Good thing it won't last 2 more years to be cancelled!

Just out of curiosity, how DID you get your "Archivist" title, because mine should TOTALLY be "Historian!"

[CaptainStarwind]

11 hours ago, Daos said:

So BC got punted to the back after Gundam eh? Ouch.

I think it's a combination of factors that pushed it back.  Ratings are definitely a part of it, but they probably also pushed it back in anticipation of whatever show is coming in to replace Gundam.  One less schedule change they'll have to make.

[CaptainStarwind]

So I was correct in thinking they would replace Outlaw Star with FLCL Season 1.  Not the most exciting of choices, but it's the one that makes the most sense.

I figured they would rerun Bebop.  Given that they now have the space to do reruns again, I was expecting that they would do it eventually.

I'm honestly surprised they pushed Black Clover back that far.  I haven't been checking up on ratings since mid October, so is it really tanking that badly?

Now we get to speculate about show replacements for DBZ Kai, Gundam, AND GITS. I'd be down for a Champloo rerun replacing GITS, at least.

[korosu]

i don't believe there's anything they can air after super aside from shippuden as a lead in to flcl, so maybe they plan on removing 10:30 june 30th. we did lose 11 for 3 weeks last year so not unbelievable. could easily get 10:30 back in december.

[Sketch]

6 minutes ago, korosu said:

i don't believe there's anything they can air after super aside from shippuden as a lead in to flcl, so maybe they plan on removing 10:30 june 30th. we did lose 11 for 3 weeks last year so not unbelievable. could easily get 10:30 back in december.

How about a new season of Attack on Titan?

[Sketch]

It's probably just moving down because they don't want to shake up more of the schedule and have shows lined up to replace Gundam and JoJo respectively but I can't help but grin at the fact that Black Clover is getting the One Piece treatment.

FLCL rerunning at 11:30PM is a bit of a tough pill to swallow and I don't think it will do very well but maybe better than Black Clover. None the less, FLCL is very important to Toonami this year and giving people a visible presentation (ie not after 2AM) of the original is probably a good move. It warms up the audience rather than starting them cold turkey with an abrupt schedule change. FLCL will probably occupy 11:30PM until mid-December between premieres and reruns. We'll see how that pans out.

[korosu]

38 minutes ago, Sketch said:

How about a new season of Attack on Titan?

i can see that. would require them to lose the slot for only a few weeks then.

[Sketch]

6 minutes ago, korosu said:

i can see that. would require them to lose the slot for only a few weeks then.

They'd probably double up Super or do something dangus for two weeks than drop 10:30 for just two weeks.

[ben0119]

So the replacement for Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop are... reruns. *claps*

What the fuck was the point of airing double Bebop to "finish out the arc" if they were just going to rerun it again.  Whelp, look forward to another 10 years of nonstop Bebop reruns.

FLCL reruns I can kind of see the point.  It's leading into the new series, a refresher for old fans, and surely there are at least some people who haven't seen it before.  I'm not sure if it will have the effect Demarco intends, though...

Not sure about placing it between Dragon Ball and Black Clover, though.  That will be quite the whiplash.  Well, maybe the way some of the characters act is similar to Black Clover's?  Lots of screaming and people acting ridiculous in FLCL.  I may be overthinking it though.

And why are they moving Black Clover down?  Sure the new FLCL deserves to be showcased but FLCL is not popular with casuals.

Still disappointing though.  Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if a rerun replaces IBO.  So many baffling decisions.  Demarco is becoming as senile and out of touch as Vincent McMahon.

[The1gairon]

3 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

So the replacement for Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop are... reruns. *claps*

What the fuck was the point of airing double Bebop to "finish out the arc" if they were just going to rerun it again.  Whelp, look forward to another 10 years of nonstop Bebop reruns.

FLCL reruns I can kind of see the point.  It's leading into the new series, a refresher for old fans, and surely there are at least some people who haven't seen it before.  I'm not sure if it will have the effect Demarco intends, though...

Not sure about placing it between Dragon Ball and Black Clover, though.  That will be quite the whiplash.  Well, maybe the way some of the characters act is similar to Black Clover's?  Lots of screaming and people acting ridiculous in FLCL.  I may be overthinking it though.

And why are they moving Black Clover down?  Sure the new FLCL deserves to be showcased but FLCL is not popular with casuals.

Still disappointing though.  Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if a rerun replaces IBO.  So many baffling decisions.  Demarco is becoming as senile and out of touch as Vincent McMahon.

Simple. Double-Beblop was just a placeholder for when they got new shows. 

Dude you do know the news?  They'll place FLCL into the block in 2 weeks and that'll cover one of the Bebop reruns. The reason they're rerunning FLCL is to get the hype back up for the two new seasons. 

Black Clover being pushed way down is still a puzzler. My guess is that it just isn't doing as well as they want, but it's just a guess until they outright state if that's the case.

Basically all of these changes are the result of giving FLCL 2 and FLCL 3 the earliest time possible in the right amount of dates of the year. 

[ben0119]

21 minutes ago, elfie said:

Simple. Double-Beblop was just a placeholder for when they got new shows. 

Dude you do know the news?  They'll place FLCL into the block in 2 weeks and that'll cover one of the Bebop reruns. The reason they're rerunning FLCL is to get the hype back up for the two new seasons. 

Black Clover being pushed way down is still a puzzler. My guess is that it just isn't doing as well as they want, but it's just a guess until they outright state if that's the case.

Basically all of these changes are the result of giving FLCL 2 and FLCL 3 the earliest time possible in the right amount of dates of the year. 

But, they didn't get any new shows...

Yes.  That is basically what I said.

It's possible.  When shows do worse they get moved down.  Could also be they want FLCL as early as they can but they didn't want to move Super or Kai and The Powers That Be wouldn't let them expand the block earlier.

Right, but more and more reruns are still being added.

[The1gairon]

3 hours ago, ben0119 said:

But, they didn't get any new shows....

It's possible.  When shows do worse they get moved down.  Could also be they want FLCL as early as they can but they didn't want to move Super or Kai and The Powers That Be wouldn't let them expand the block earlier.

Right, but more and more reruns are still being added.

FLCL 2 and 3 are new.  While they won't start until June 2nd and September, it's something.

Getting original, new shows is tough.  Hell, FLCL 2 and 3 are both things Toonami had to GET of their ass to convince the Japanese studio IN PERSON to make and fund in collaboration with them.  Making original shows is the way to go I think, but Toonami is not Netflix and they can only manage like one of these every 2 years.

[ben0119]

25 minutes ago, elfie said:

FLCL 2 and 3 are new.  While they won't start until June 2nd and September, it's something.

Getting original, new shows is tough.  Hell, FLCL 2 and 3 are both things Toonami had to GET of their ass to convince the Japanese studio IN PERSON to make and fund in collaboration with them.  Making original shows is the way to go I think, but Toonami is not Netflix and they can only manage like one of these every 2 years.

No one asked for this.  I'd rather they just license dubs of already made shows like they usually do, especially if it's going to tax Toonami to this degree that there will be barely anything else new.

[CaptainStarwind]

3 hours ago, ben0119 said:

No one asked for this.  I'd rather they just license dubs of already made shows like they usually do, especially if it's going to tax Toonami to this degree that there will be barely anything else new.

You're overreacting to this.  What are you expecting?  That Toonami is going to be putting out 5 new original shows a year?  I doubt it.  DeMarco may not make the best choices for the block all the time, but he isn't stupid.  He isn't going to throw all the money the block has at producing original shows.  They probably didn't even need to pay much at all for either Samurai Jack Season 5 or FLCL 2 and 3; it wouldn't surprise me if Adult Swim proper footed a large portion of the bill for both, especially in the case of the latter, since it's been stated numerous times that FLCL is Williams St.'s favorite anime.  At best, I see Toonami being able to do one original series every couple of years with their current budget.  They know they need to license anime to even have a change of surviving now.

[Daos]

Actually it's April... have we had a new show this year yet? Was BC this year or last year?