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I honestly don't think I could even commit to watching Toonami on weeknights as much as I'd like to see that.

Well since this is the general thread... Allow me to resume 11PM HYPE What once seemed nearly impossible is actually happening. HOLY SHIT SON IT'S HAPPENING

I subbed in Fairy Tail instead of Shippuden one week. I might do that again.

I really doubt the 8PM Super is causing much damage. Unless Super dropped big time from Family Guy this week, there's no good reason to be concerned about a negative impact from the 8pm premieres. I will say though after a month I expected more from a power hour of Dragon Ball but it really just shows how far cable has fallen from the days when Family Guy would regularly break 2 million viewers. If this is the new norm, I guess it is what it is.

I sure hope Goku vs. Beerus round one brings in some ratings and the rest of a honestly largely action light Toonami will manage to hold onto those viewers.

Oh Ben, I guess you're just gonna have to keep trying to hurt Hunter x Hunter's feelings because it is here for at least two more years.

Well buckle up boys and girls, Toonami's heading into the great unknown of 11PM! Samurai Jack will lead the charge followed by Dragon Ball Super. And Ghost in the Shell (which returns this week) will be broadcast in HD. They're finally putting the 2004 tapes to rest.

Well since you're so convinced NOTHING HAS HAPPENED you'll be fine to pick up the show again in 3 weeks. You must at least be curious why so many people like the show and why it still regularly floats around the top 10 most popular shows on Crunchyroll despite it finishing in September of 2014. Just as I was curious why people still liked Fairy Tail, Bleach and Naruto Shippuden. Did you ever even watch Yu Yu Hakusho?

We'll see if I agree with all that whenever I get to those points but for now I'm keeping an open mind.

I've started Fairy Tail over for a group watch. I made it past the point I initially got bored of it and now I will honestly say, it's pretty entertaining once you get past Lullaby and Galuna Island. I've laughed, I've teared up and have largely enjoyed the ride. There's decent world building as well. It's innofensive and not frustrating to watch. I can see why it has a broad appeal. So I'm not going to trash it but I'd still rather not have it on Toonami unless it replaced Shippuden which is far more of a chore to sit through to get to the occasional good moment. On the other hand, someone who accepts the writing of SAO has no business insulting Togashi's writing.

That whole tirade was so overly dramatic Ben. Especially the part about you never forgiving the show for wasting your time. Insulting Togashi so much is quite uncalled for though. All I can say is this, I thoroughly enjoyed this series from York New until the end (that's about 108 episodes, we are a 3 episodes away from that arc) I won't say the arcs so far were never a slog. It does take its sweet time to ramp up. I expected Heaven's Arena to be better in this adaptation but it felt needlessly dragged out as well. By comparison the Hunter exam arc was a arguably more enjoyable. York New brings Kurapika to center stage and the violence kicks up several notches.

Yeah I meant peaked. It probably is more of a roller coaster overall but consider the most likely time people are going to tune out: at the ad breaks. Since Toonami only has one in the middle of the show and one after it ends.

Ah right, when they added Clone Wars the whole 12AM hour was action again not just 12:30.

Super's retention remains quite good, losing only about 100k 18-49 from Family Guy is superb. It's just too bad that Family Guy only pulled in a 0.6 18-49. My first suggestion would be to swap American Dad to 10:00pm. That would likely help build up that 10:30-11:30 hour of Family Guy. 9pm won't do as but it will probably benefit 10-11:30 enough to offset that. It would also match Sunday if R&M was 9-10. That would make Sat and Sun 9-11:30 identical. Right now 8-11 on Saturday is getting hammered by BBT on TBS but I guess they're willing to take that loss because Jack and the hour of Rick & Morty cost nothing to air. But we've seen how a weak start for AS PT on Saturday can affect Family Guy negatively which in turn keeps the whole night down. So as much as I like the current dial back on FOX on Saturday PT, it'd probably be better for Toonami if the R&M rerun hour left in favor of more FOX.

I've long wondered this and now with the music video ratings I can somewhat prove the theory. People are leaving during Naruto. Not just after but also during. The ratings we get to see are an average for that half hour. It is very likely the first half Naruto and even the first quarter is the highest rated part. Depending on the episode people taper off and leave during it. You could certainly argue the music video got people to leave as well but I think quite a lot of them were already gone by then. Having shows pique at the start, middle or end of an episode is probably pretty common. Looking at this week's ratings I'd estimate the following. - Gundam piqued early and dropped before the end. - HxH probably piqued late due to the conclusion of Hisoka vs Gon - Shippuden piqued early due to the conclusion of Hisoka vs Gon along with focus on Killer B, once Sasuke turned the fight around people got bored - One Piece piqued late by picking up viewers tuning in for OPM - One-Punch Man piqued early DBS/DBZ and JoJo probably piqued early 8pm DBS also probably piqued early (Rio on CN would have been a factor) and didn't hold viewers long enough to get to Jack.

Remember when Star Wars TCW was on ASA? Those were dark times Not because of the show in particular but because ASA started at 12:30 and only before 1am because of Star Wars TCW.

Zeni, I think you're just salty that Japanese kids shows do better than UC Gundam on Toonami. DBZ draws more adults than any other anime Adult Swim can play. If any other show was airing light on action episodes like the past four weeks of DBS/DBZ they'd have utterly tanked. For some reason people tolerate that kind of fluff for Dragon Ball. One bad week certainly doesn't prove otherwise. I don't see Toonami lasting forever though with Naruto, One Piece and DBS they can feasibly fill three slots for many years to come. As far as most anime fans who don't love Dragon Ball are concerned, Toonami is already irrelevant and behind the times but they're still trucking along after close to half a decade and at least have plans into their 6th year. As long as they do relatively well compared to the rest of Adult Swim, they won't get cancelled any time soon. Hell, they've clawed their way back to having 3.5 hours of premieres and will all but assuredly make it back to 4 hours of premieres. You clearly don't like the direction Toonami has gone in but that doesn't mean it hasn't worked.

The app definitely could use improvements. It's pretty easy to crash it on iOS, Android and the browser. The apps should save your spot, especially given how easy it is to crash the app. Lacking a console app and a Roku app is something they really ought to do. The rights to stream every episode of the likes of AoT, One-Punch and KLK wouldn't come cheap. They probably currently have somewhat limited licenses which do not allow them to stream even all 12 episodes of Dimension W at a time. I figure in order to get reasonable deals to be able to stream shows. It's likely a lot less than what Netflix and Hulu end up paying. Maybe something can change on that front but as long as Toonami airs shows that are licensed by 3rd party companies that don't want to put all their eggs in the same basket, they'll probably continue to have limitations with regards to streaming. Most of all, I want to be able to use a cable login to watch Adult Swim's east feed on my TV and if they were to offer a subscription for a robust AS streaming experience without need of cable, I would be very interested in that.

A wild Master Moltar appeared as a voice of reason

Well that night was an epic shit show and hopefully just a fluke. On the bright side. Super retained FG better than Venture and DBZ did better than SuperMansion.

Finally a confirmed day. It's gonna be a good March.

Toonami would be dead very shortly thereafter. Adult Swim would probably just hang on to Dragon Ball Super, DBZ Kai, and a handful of other anime and stop picking up more (except new seasons of AoT and OPM). Not make any more co-productions and drop action down to 2 to 3 hours a week.

Okay I give One Piece a lot of slack when it comes to explaining things but the whole burning bodies situation turning out just fine is more than a little hard to swallow. Half of their bodies looked to be gone and they come back unscathed? That doesn't make any sense what so ever.

DBZ's success in the US had more to do with when it was brought over and the fact that it was pretty unique for it's time. The dub isn't much better than 4Kids One Piece in retrospect though it is less censored. The anime boom was pretty much over by the time One Piece got here. Toonami was relegated to once a week instead of being on weekday afternoons. There's no way DBZ would have been as popular as it became in the early 2000s if it was only airing once or twice a week with little promotion. It practically died in syndication before Toonami picked it up and gave it a stable home where it could be seen by a generation of young people who had never experienced anything quite like it before. It was the right show on the right venue but the same thing might have happened to One Piece is it was on the air by 2001 regardless of the dub. That old DBZ dub is riddled with script changes and punched up lines, replaced music and modified characterization and very questionable casting. Add to that in the 3rd season when FUNimation started dubbing it in house they were using a lot of people who were entirely new to voice acting (most were actors of some kind though). So the acting in at least that season isn't much better than 4Kids One Piece. I suppose the synth music in DBZ was "cool" while the synth music in One Piece wasn't but other than that they suffer almost all the same problems yet old DBZ is fondly remembered and 4Kids One Piece is not. I'm pretty confident it has more to do with being shown at the right place at the right time rather than production quality. Fansubs of DBZ were not widely available until DBZ was already reasonably popular here while One Piece fansubs were widely available long before 4Kids got the series and that definitely clued people in on why 4Kids dub was lacking and why they never really noticed or cared about the same quality issues present in old DBZ dubs. I wont say DBZ wouldn't have been a hit if it came out several years later but there's no question in my mind that it wouldn't be as big of a hit if it came over in 2003 and might have even been passed over entirely once One Piece and Naruto were tearing up the charts in Japan. If Toonami had never picked it up when they did, it may have been dead in the water here outside of online fandom but something widely appealing wouldn't likely never catch on. International interest in DBZ would have been inevitable and that would get more anime viewers in the US interested. Can't say for sure if the general public would ever be familiar with it but it'd probably be at least as popular as One Piece is here.

That sounds about right. The retention from the anchor to the next show was arguably better when Bleach premieres were holding down the fort, especially when Naruto followed it. There's plenty of cross-over in those two fan bases. Generally speaking no matter how good the line-up is, there's usually a decent drop after DBZ and One-Punch Man was really the only exception thus far. Once that drop happens things tend to level off some and there's a gradual decline rather than very sharp drops. But all the little drops add up. Add to that, all of Adult Swim being down (and all of cable being down) and probably nothing short of DBZ, OPM or Titan will regularly break 0.6 18-49 at 11:30 or midnight though I have high hopes for Samurai Jack premieres. Starting at 0.6, a drop to 0.4 is inevitable and dropping into the 0.3 range by 2AM is more than likely going to happen. And teenagers and younger will drop off sharply before 1am, diminishing the chances of any show that late cracking 1 million but that's largely true of the other nights of Adult Swim at this point. Toonami's retention between shows looks rather good by comparison and DBZ's retention of Family Guy is usually exceptional.