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it sucks you in and wont let you back out?

thats understandable knowing how close you are to your folks. are you christians?

i thought you had girl parts and i had boy parts and thats what makes us such good friends?

just caffeine? thats successful sobriety, lady. good for you

just be careful

oh. sorry to hear that.

yeah, with 12 step programs the intensity level is a little crazy.

thats awesome because you dont have a tolerance when you drink.

this.<^ if you know the effort it takes, and remember the fear of your life being completely consumed, you hit the nail on the head.

i realize your opinion is important to you.

oh. well i'll look it up someday.

what? im speaking up about how hard it is to quit using.. im actually drinking tonight but im not encouraging heroin. actually there are some really good Canadian heroin use support programs. it just the people unable to regain control in the depths of an addiction that dont seem to understand health and wellbeing that i am concerned about.

i have never met anyone with alcohol intolerance. how rare is that?

woah. good for you. what are the reasons that motivated you to quit?

i know what you mean 100%. but the weird aftertaste goes away after a few drinks. this thread is really more about sobriety from drugs though. with alcohol and soon marijuana off the blacklist, no one will need to be an addict. that almost sounds like a miracle.

did he have a donkey, a barrel of whiskey, and live on a western campsite?

actually you could be correct, but i know a lot of people who dont have any motivation, respect for society, or the responsibility to hold a job, and the indicator with all of them is severe addiction, plus a background and environment that enables abuse. the difference being they might all have a mental disorder too, or some variation that doesnt apply to you, like you are saying, maybe a person without a diagnosable illness, such as yourself, doesnt experience that. i could be wrong.

thats my attitude too. but you know some people have ingrained deeply psychologically and behaviorally reinforced abuse disorders, and using occasionally isnt an option. even with sober times 10+ years, the next relapse could be the last.

kids love ponies and dads with ponies are the best kind of dad

holy shit yeah. youre a role model. have some kids and buy a pony, dude

im just trying to be supportive for people getting sober because they are dope sick, cant hold a job, or depressed.

https://www.verywellmind.com/dsm-5-criteria-for-substance-use-disorders-21926 diseases cant be lived with or ignored, see number 7 on this list. if you start not gaf at work and not gaf in life then how can you sustain yourself very long?

i dont want to make any "i" statements, but even 10-15 years of sobriety can end up in a huge crash.

i mean just past the 35-40 day threshold.

who here has not been under the influence for a reasonable amount of time? i just want to talk about why that can be difficult and requires determination. there's a few points people pass while getting sober; the initial withdrawals, the recovery, becoming abstinent, and remaining abstinent. the hardest part imo is the recovery: if you can make 35-40 days and not give into to a craving, you're almost home free. the next hardest part is remaining abstinent. an addict sometimes has trouble remembering all the reasons to stay sober. so a relapse late in the process becomes likely. on the other hand, becoming abstinent after a tough recovery can be very self-satisfying and personally challenging. when you re-examine priority and important life circumstances with a sober mind and a new will to succeed, its very motivating and inspiring. i want to be abstinent without ever being challenged, but thats impossible, so all in moderation, amirite?