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Theres no time limit. They will continue to vote, day after day, vote after vote, until they have a new Speaker. Edit: they jut adjourned for a few hours. Thats the one thing they can do other than vote for speaker. They can adopt resolutions to adjourn for a period of time.

The difference here is that Dems could force rules on McCarthy that he has to abide by to get their votes. One thing that I heard was that they could force McCarthy to adopt many of the rules that Pelosi had under the last Congress. Those were things that the GOP wanted to do away with, but McCarthy could be forced to adopt them. And he cant just change those rules, once they are there they are there for that Congress. He can also offer tweaking the makeup of committees or even giving a Dem the chair for their votes. The GOP would riot, but its their own damn fault.

Theres a couple ways they could help him. 1 is to vote for him and 2 is for a number of Dems to just not show up. The majority vote is based on members in the chamber, not elected members. So if enough of them stay home that the majority drops to the 209 or so that he has then he is elected speaker. As for what he gives, hard to say. I think its clear that the wacko wing has taken enough control that no legislation is getting passed, even "must pass" stuff to keep the government running. So he potentially could offer them a compromise on legislation to move to the middle to make sure it gets passed. That s probably going to have to happen anyways. He may offer to keep some members off of committees as well. He could essentially offer Dems something along the lines of "you get me to the Speaker, and none of the people voting against me are on any committee". That is a huge fig leaf to the Dems, and a clear shot in the GOP civil war.

4th vote, 4th failure. Sounds like McCarthy may be trying to work out a deal with Democrats now.

Trump apparently came out and said that the clowns need to stop fucking up and vote for McCarthy so they can get on with things. Pretty bad when even Trump is sounding like a voice of reason.

Well, when you have a chunk of people acting like spoiled brats you treat them like spoiled brats.

Bo Bo the Clown is speaking on Fox. Holy shit is she bad. Really disappointed she won in the end. Shes acting like she won in some landslide and has a mandate to decide who the Speaker is. She won by the slimest of slim margins and very likely loses in 2024.

Whoever did needs to lose their popcorn privileges.

I dont blame them. The GOP are self-immolating in real time on this vote. If I was a Democrat Ide be enjoying every second of this.

I dont see how this ends peacefully for the GOP. The two sides are digging in and words like "traitor" and "enemies" are being thrown around within the caucus. Theres a very real path opening up where a Democrat becomes the next Speaker of the House.

Its dumb as hell. its not like these wackos are going to get Jordan to be the speaker. They arent going to get one of their idiots to be speaker. This is what the GOP deserves for embracing Trumpsim and completely abandoning Conservative ideas in favor of "own the libs" politics. The Trumpist GOP was pretty heavily rebuked a few months ago and rather than learn a lesson it seems like these idiots would rather triple down on failure.

McCarthy lost the 3rd ballot, and he lost 1 vote in his favor this time around.

Ah ok. Cant argue with that. The current GOP has no desire to govern or legislate at all.

They did. Reagan, Bush the Elder, and even during the Clinton years saw a GOP that did govern and legislate. George Bush, pre 9/11 was going to be an internal focused president who wanted to reform education and immigration. He had a good chunk of the GOP on board with him as well before 9/11, then everything switched. The post 9/11 GOP did legislate. The party at its core turned into the anti-terrorism party who drastically expanded the size of government and spending. The alphabet agencies gained enormous new power and spending in this time. Thats also when the first real cracks in the GOP started to show. The fiscal conservatives were being pushed out. From there things have only gotten worse. People like to say that the GOP has never had an interest in governing, and thats just wrong. Its just in the last decade or so the party has totally abandoned principled conservatism in favor of owning the libs as a core policy. When you go back to Trumps election it wasnt even as much about him as it was against Hillary. Same with the election we just had. It wasnt as much pro-GOP as it was anti-Biden that led to their win.

The thing to keep in mind with this floor fight is that if they are fighting over this already then the party is hopelessly fractured when it comes to legislating or governing. There are enough members of the bat shit insane faction to derail absolutely anything and everything that isnt crazy enough for them. Democrats faced this kind of problem with The Squad but Pelosi is a master at wrangling votes so they kept it fairly contained. That wont happen this time. The GOP has no hope of keeping this contained. Its going to be 2 years of chaos from the GOP.

McCarthy has lost round 2 of voting.

Thats what they did after 9/11. Push everything 1 week and then no bye-week before the super bowl. Seems like the best option at this point honestly.

McCarthy Madness! GOPs first act in the majority? Chaos! Honestly, theres a lot of potential names for this. Cluster Fuck seems pretty appropriate. It is amusing watching the insane idiots try and run the asylum. They have this idiotic notion that if they just refuse to play ball enough times that somehow the GOP will abandon McCarthy and vote for their wacko choice instead. Its never going to happen, but they are trying it anyways. What would be pure chaos is if a few centrist GOP members say "F This" and vote for Jefferies putting him right up on the threshold to a majority. They could essentially call the wacko GOP bluff and say "Either vote for him, or its a Democrat Speaker again". They would be absolutely eviscerated by conservative media, but man would the drama be epic.

Im using this thread for the Speaker Drama. 19 House GOP members are refusing to vote for McCarthy. He has fallen short of the 218 required to be elected Speaker. Democrats are united behind Jefferies at 212 votes. This is the first floor fight since I believe the 1800's. So this is something you just dont usually see.

As horrible as the event was, this is the complete opposite. Last I checked its at $3.5M and climbing.

Thats the thing for me thats so crazy. This wasnt one of those hits that is clearly dirty and needs to be gone from the game, it was just a normal play. It just happened to hit at the perfect spot at the perfect time to cause his heart to stop. An absolutely freak thing that no one can control. This isnt like concussions and hits to the head, its a totally random thing.

Easily the scariest injury I have ever seen. He got up just fine and then completely collapsed.

On the plus side, pretty sure Patrick Star is the reason Hackett finally got fired.

Ya know, even with all the pure insanity that has happened over the past few years I honestly didnt expect 2022 to end with Greta Thunberg triggering someone so hard that it leads to their arrest for human trafficking and rape. Like, how in the hell have we gotten to this point? Im almost afraid to see how 2023 can possibly top this.