migrant crisis

[Master-Debater131]

 

The internal polling must be reaaallllyyyyy bad if they are going to restart the "bigoted" border wall.

 

[Jman]

It became bad when conservative governors literally started busing over immigrants by the truckload to cities in an attempt to overwhelm their social services.

[Master-Debater131]

No, it was bad well before that point. Its just that none of the "right" people cared because it was only those dumb red border states who had to deal with the problem.
Once that problem started to impact the "right" people things changed.

[Icarus27k]

I'll never understand people who think complaining about migrants is NOT bigoted. 

[Jman]

Expecting the wall to do all the work and saying Mexico was going to pay is the far dumber part of what Trump said.  

[Icarus27k]

Come to think of it, fact checking is important. When you read the Fox News link that MD provided on this "border wall", you discover it's funds from the FY 2019 appropriations bill. This is the bill that passed Congress in Feb. 2019, immediately AFTER the government re-opened after being shut down for 35 days due to a clash between Trump demanding funding for a border wall to be included and Democrats in Congress saying no. 

 

This is the bill that was passed as an alternative to Trump's demand for border wall funding. Trump was angered by this bipartisan FY 2019 appropriations bill, and proceeded to declare a national emergency over migration because he didn't get the border wall funds. 

 

This money is the bipartisan compromise that was the alternative to the border wall, not the border wall itself. 

 

 

As Congress Passes Spending Bill, Trump Plans National Emergency to Build Border Wall

 

The border security compromise tucked into the bill is perhaps the most stinging legislative defeat of Mr. Trump’s presidency. It provides money for 55 miles of steel-post fencing, essentially the same deal that Mr. Trump rejected in December.

 

The measure prohibits construction in certain areas along the Rio Grande Valley and includes a provision, pushed by Representative Henry Cuellar, Democrat of Texas, granting communities on the border time to weigh in on the location and design of the fencing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/us/politics/trump-national-emergency-border.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Icarus27k

[Icarus27k]

Master-Debater's mistake was posting the tweet from Karine Jean-Pierre. That January 20, 2019, tweet is from the government shutdown during the Trump administration and it expresses an opinion most Americans at the time agreed with. 

 

It also lead me to check the sources of the funds for this new "border wall" and I found out it's not Trump's border wall at all. But the bipartisan alternative that Trump opposed because it wasn't wall enough. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Icarus27k

[stilgar]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

No, it was bad well before that point. Its just that none of the "right" people cared because it was only those dumb red border states who had to deal with the problem.
Once that problem started to impact the "right" people things changed.

It was only bad to certain people because the immigrants were brown.

[stilgar]

7 minutes ago, Icarus27k said:

Master-Debater's mistake was posting the tweet from Karine Jean-Pierre. That January 20, 2019, tweet is from the government shutdown during the Trump administration and it expresses an opinion most Americans at the time agreed with. 

 

It also lead me to check the sources of the funds for this new "border wall" and I found out it's not Trump's border wall at all. But the bipartisan alternative that Trump opposed because it wasn't wall enough. 

Look, no one ever claimed md was anything more than a dumb conservative.

[Master-Debater131]

Shot

https://apnews.com/article/biden-immigration-border-migrant-venezuela-b914be14aaeef14eb01bd10ee23067f4

The US is allowing hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans in the country to work legally

 

Chaser

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-united-states-fentanyl-migration-3ea8f589019506d271906d83be432cdf

Biden administration is resuming deportation flights for Venezuelan migrants as arrivals grow

"MEXICO CITY (AP) — The Biden administration will resume deporting Venezuelan migrants, the largest single group encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border last month, back to their economically troubled country as their arrivals continue to grow.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, speaking in Mexico City Thursday, cited the new measure as one of the “strict consequences” the Biden administration is pairing with the expansion of legal pathways for asylum seekers.

“Our two countries are being challenged by an unprecedented level of migration throughout our hemisphere,” Mayorkas said, referring to Mexico.""

 

Biden has totally lost on this issue as cities are being overrun with illegals. People are sick of it and hes actually being forced to do something about it. The videos of people being evicted in order to make room for illegals really isn't doing him any favors.

[Icarus27k]

On the issue of Venezuelan migrants, the AP articles explain that the cutoff point is July 31, 2023. Those who arrived before that date are being granted stay, while those arriving after that date are subject to deportation. 

Not a sudden reversal of policy as the full implications of the policy. One could certainly argue against the arbitrary cutoff point, but such temporary legal statuses often have them. 

[katt_goddess]

4 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

No, it was bad well before that point. Its just that none of the "right" people cared because it was only those dumb red border states who had to deal with the problem.
Once that problem started to impact the "right" people things changed.

Is this a statement of pro-trafficking sentiments? Because while people coming over the border was bad before, it was made far worse by racist human traffickers like Abbott and DeSantis actively shipping so-called 'illegals' over state borders in order to drop them off in residential areas and by private homes for political stunt points without giving any sort of shit about what kind of climate those people were being dumped into without any warning what-so-ever to the areas involved. At least those border states are more than aware of any incoming migrants since that's all they'll bitch about on places like Faux Noise.

[Icarus27k]

There is no migrant crisis. There are migrants who try to come to the U.S. and claim asylum, but the U.S. has always had that problem. It's only called a "crisis" because people are being xenophobic. 

Also, migration to the U.S. closely corresponds to how well the economy is doing relative to that of other countries. When the U.S. economy is great, there are more migrants. One of the highest periods of migration, including illegal immigration, was around 2000 when the 1990s economy was at its peak. We didn't really consider it a crisis back then though..

 

Edit: I should specify that I am talking about individuals granted asylum in the U.S. when I say "highest periods of migration, including illegal immigration, was around 2000". Annual legal permanent residents approved was indeed high in 2000 but that number has been higher in following years. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Icarus27k

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, Icarus27k said:

There is no migrant crisis. There are migrants who try to come to the U.S. and claim asylum, but the U.S. has always had that problem. It's only called a "crisis" because people are being xenophobic. 

Also, migration to the U.S. closely corresponds to how well the economy is doing relative to that of other countries. When the U.S. economy is great, there are more migrants. One of the highest periods of migration, including illegal immigration, was around 2000 when the 1990s economy was at its peak. We didn't really consider it a crisis back then though..

 

Edit: I should specify that I am talking about individuals granted asylum in the U.S. when I say "highest periods of migration, including illegal immigration, was around 2000". Annual legal permanent residents approved was indeed high in 2000 but that number has been higher in following years. 

No, it’s a legitimate crisis, just not due to any kind of influx over the historical average.  It’s a crisis resulting from the dismantling of prudent and sustainable immigration policy.