mochi Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) everyone is pissed the fuck off, the ending got leaked and it's........the most transphobic thing ever Spoiler it's revealed that the only way for everyone (except Erica obviously) to be happy is for Erica to have never transitioned to female, so you have to create a timeline where she never does Edited February 16, 2019 by mochi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Everyone, or just you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Greeny said: Everyone, or just you? The game company that made it is trending on twitter with a shit load of negative comments, so it's not just him. Edited February 16, 2019 by SorceressPol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, SorceressPol said: The game company that made it is trending on twitter with a shit load of negative comments, so it's not just him. Oh. So it's the end of the world again in Twitterland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, Greeny said: Oh. So it's the end of the world again in Twitterland. Not really. The actor who starred in Wings of Desire(on my watchlist because I never see Peter Falk in anything artsy) died so that'll knock out smaller trends today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Apparently none of the things people are offended by are true anyway. But obviously before even playing the game for themselves or doing some research, they all had to jump on twitter to show their outrage while the iron was still hot. How else are they going to get their likes and retweets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 So ignoring the third option isn't a choice, huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Greeny said: Apparently none of the things people are offended by are true anyway. But obviously before even playing the game for themselves or doing some research, they all had to jump on twitter to show their outrage while the iron was still hot. How else are they going to get their likes and retweets? The post doesn't say that people lied about the ending(Erica not transitioning), and that seems what people are genuinely upset about. The other stuff isn't getting mentioned that much. I'm just saying that it's not just Mochi. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 That... doesn't sound like it would be true. Let me guess: Someone reposted it on tumblr and you took it at face value? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, SorceressPol said: The post doesn't say that people lied about the ending(Erica not transitioning), and that seems what people are genuinely upset about. The other stuff isn't getting mentioned that much. I'm just saying that it's not just Mochi. From what I understand, they're upset because Catherine apparently somehow forced or talked Erica into not transitioning, which isn't the case. I don't understand how a character simply not transitioning is somehow transphobic. There are trans people who regret transitioning and wouldn't do it again if given the opportunity. Are those people transphobic too? I'm just not wrapping my head around this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, Greeny said: From what I understand, they're upset because Catherine apparently somehow forced or talked Erica into not transitioning, which isn't the case. I don't understand how a character simply not transitioning is somehow transphobic. There are trans people who regret transitioning and wouldn't do it again if given the opportunity. Are those people transphobic too? I'm just not wrapping my head around this. It's a leak of a game that I have zero interest in playing and was only curious about why I saw it trending. People get upset about this because storylines involving characters who are trans get mishandled a lot in games, movies, etc. You're going to see a lot of mistrust until that changes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, SorceressPol said: It's a leak of a game that I have zero interest in playing and was only curious about why I saw it trending. People get upset about this because storylines involving characters who are trans get mishandled a lot in games, movies, etc. You're going to see a lot of mistrust until that changes. I guess I just don't consider this mishandling a trans character. If another character did go out of their way to convince them not to transition I could almost see why they might be offended, but that didn't happen. This character just didn't and lived as a gay man instead. It seems by their logic that the character transitioning would somehow make the game homophobic. And to be fair, this is a Japanese developer. They have an entirely different culture. They don't really care about identity politics as far as I've seen. I don't believe that they purposefully tried to be derogatory towards trans people. Edited February 16, 2019 by Greeny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 44 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said: That... doesn't sound like it would be true. Let me guess: Someone reposted it on tumblr and you took it at face value? it's true first off Fullbody's promo materials call Erica by her dead name and list her gender as male now and here's a screenshot from the new "good ending" showing she's still a man in this timeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, mochi said: it's true first off Fullbody's promo materials call Erica by her dead name and list her gender as male now and here's a screenshot from the new "good ending" showing she's still a man in this timeline THAT'S the "most transphobic thing ever"? Trans people really need to stop bitching if this is as bad as they have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, SorceressPol said: It's a leak of a game that I have zero interest in playing and was only curious about why I saw it trending. People get upset about this because storylines involving characters who are trans get mishandled a lot in games, movies, etc. You're going to see a lot of mistrust until that changes. the defense I've seen some people using is that the ending doesn't say Erica NEVER Transitions, just that she hasn't yet, but the ending shows her in her 30's still presenting as a guy so......it implies she just won't in that timeline also I'm not replying to Greeny Directly but, No, while there are SOME people who regret transition or "detransition" it is SO rare that it almost never happens, Trans people are given every possible chance to change their minds before bottom surgery and generally if they made it to bottom surgery they never have any regrets about their choice to do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, mochi said: the defense I've seen some people using is that the ending doesn't say Erica NEVER Transitions, just that she hasn't yet, but the ending shows her in her 30's still presenting as a guy so......it implies she just won't in that timeline also I'm not replying to Greeny Directly but, No, while there are SOME people who regret transition or "detransition" it is SO rare that it almost never happens, Trans people are given every possible chance to change their minds before bottom surgery and generally if they made it to bottom surgery they never have any regrets about their choice to do so I don't care how rare it is. My point was that it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Greeny said: I guess I just don't consider this mishandling a trans character. If another character did go out of their way to convince them not to transition I could almost see why they might be offended, but that didn't happen. This character just didn't and lived as a gay man instead. It seems by their logic that the character transitioning would somehow make the game homophobic. And to be fair, this is a Japanese developer. They have an entirely different culture. They don't really care about identity politics as far as I've seen. I don't believe that they purposefully tried to be derogatory towards trans people. Wut? LGBT rights have been a pretty big issue for years over there because of stuff like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/forced-surgery-sterilization-japan-s-trans-community-faces-uphill-battle-n870411 Google is a thing you know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, SorceressPol said: Wut? LGBT rights have been a pretty big issue for years over there because of stuff like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/forced-surgery-sterilization-japan-s-trans-community-faces-uphill-battle-n870411 Google is a thing you know. also a bunch of gay couples are currently suing the Japanese government for the right to marry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SorceressPol said: Wut? LGBT rights have been a pretty big issue for years over there because of stuff like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/forced-surgery-sterilization-japan-s-trans-community-faces-uphill-battle-n870411 Google is a thing you know. My bad. In all honesty, my interest in Japan ends at video games. And even that's dying down. And I meant more that those issues haven't been a huge part of the gaming community over there. At least not as big as over here. Edited February 16, 2019 by Greeny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, mochi said: it's true first off Fullbody's promo materials call Erica by her dead name and list her gender as male now and here's a screenshot from the new "good ending" showing she's still a man in this timeline All right, first off, you can see in the description that it says "Erica." Maybe it's legally still Eric, and since a lot of people already know she used to be a he, they aren't bothering to hide it. There's also no given evidence that it's the best ending because she never transitioned. For all we know, he simply identified as male in that timeline, so there was no need to transition. Not that he was struggling with the decision, and was convinced against it. Or maybe he was and it's presented in a way that's not worth the outrage. I don't know, and I don't think you really know. I think there's plenty of other things to be angry about: Like how, if you can change the timeline for the best, why she's not born as a woman to begin with. Or how in the original game, her transition only exists as a punchline because there's a male character that's trying to hook up with her the whole game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 Erica's voice actress retweeted this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, mochi said: Erica's voice actress retweeted this How to not get hired by a company again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Keep the politics in your pants, you people with sorta-careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said: Keep the politics in your pants, you people with sorta-careers. I mean I'm not gonna say she's the smartest for shitting on the company she just worked for but she had an opinion and she wasn't afraid to say it which is somewhat honorable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 ... what is it about voice actors and acting like children on Twitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, elfie said: ... what is it about voice actors and acting like children on Twitter? It's because their fans idolize them so they turn into entitled cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Erica's voice actress says Atlus is changing parts of the game to fix the transphobia https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/catherine-full-body-transphobia/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeny Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, mochi said: Erica's voice actress says Atlus is changing parts of the game to fix the transphobia https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/catherine-full-body-transphobia/ Thank God the world is safe for trannies again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapinator_X Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 It is disappointing that they keep shitting on Erica. She was a fun character in the original one, was one of the few characters to level with Vincent even when he was getting hammered and going berserk, and was the one other person to have seen the Boss without glasses. But even in that game, she was treated in the end like a joke because she took Tobey's V-card. I am surprised that this was the straw to break it for Erin Fitzgerald when she was previously told to voice-act in a scene where Tobey is disgusted with having had sex with her because she used to be Eric. I'll probably get it used cause the original game was fun and interesting and because this only happens in the Catherine ending (Katherine is best girl), but it is a letdown that they ended up finding a way to continue jabbing at Erica. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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