Western funded anime and how it will affect Toonami going forward

[Jman]

The news of Crunchyroll starting their own originals kinda bought this up, but it got lost in their release, which is now a topic I won’t discuss.  That being said, it’s worth discussing how everyone and their mother seems to be throwing money at Japanese studios to make anime.  Whether it’s Netflix greenlighting everything (the new Grappler Baki debuts this fall, Saint Seiya debuts next year, and they’re apparently still throwing money around for other projects) or DeMarco finally getting his FLCL fanfic animated, the fact remains that originals are becoming an increasingly big deal.  So much so that according to some people, the industry is actually operating at capacity.

With all that in mind, and Toonami having a notoriously stingy budget, do you see originals being a big deal for them, and if so, what project will DeMarco try to do next?

[korosu]

in terms of originals in general, the Scavengers Reign pilot is being made and Genndy Tartakovsky's Primal is coming in the future.

in terms of original anime, Production I.G is enthusiastic about any chance to work with them, with Maki even saying adult swim is her favorite partner to work with, that it is always her best interest to work with them, and that they "have many ideas and concepts."

we know they are developing 2 original anime (nothing set in stone, however) and that they go to Japan every couple months meeting with "literally almost every studio."

Edited September 6, 2018 by korosu

[Daos]

Originals a big deal for Toonami? Nah not really. Their FLCL sequels already look like wasted time and effort in terms of the ratings/ response it got from viewers. I think they'll retreat to the old ways of airing hit anime 2 to 3 years after we see it subbed.

[mochi]

10 hours ago, Jman said:

The news of Crunchyroll starting their own originals kinda bought this up, but it got lost in their release, which is now a topic I won’t discuss.  That being said, it’s worth discussing how everyone and their mother seems to be throwing money at Japanese studios to make anime.  Whether it’s Netflix greenlighting everything (the new Grappler Baki debuts this fall, Saint Seiya debuts next year, and they’re apparently still throwing money around for other projects) or DeMarco finally getting his FLCL fanfic animated, the fact remains that originals are becoming an increasingly big deal.  So much so that according to some people, the industry is actually operating at capacity.

With all that in mind, and Toonami having a notoriously stingy budget, do you see originals being a big deal for them, and if so, what project will DeMarco try to do next?

Turner owns Crunchyroll now

CR funding their own series is no threat to Toonami anymore

 

infact half of the stuff CR is producing might end up airing on Toonami because of the buy out

Edited September 6, 2018 by mochi

[Jman]

6 hours ago, korosu said:

in terms of originals in general, the Scavengers Reign pilot is being made and Genndy Tartakovsky's Primal is coming in the future.

in terms of original anime, Production I.G is enthusiastic about any chance to work with them, with Maki even saying adult swim is her favorite partner to work with, that it is always her best interest to work with them, and that they "have many ideas and concepts."

we know they are developing 2 original anime (nothing set in stone, however) and that they go to Japan every couple months meeting with "literally almost every studio."

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-01-31/netflix-to-co-produce-anime-with-production-i.g-bones-wit-studio/.127164

Netflix locked IG up at the start of the year.  

[PokeNirvash]

Are you seriously telling us it's impossible for I.G to work with both [as] and Netflix. Because that's a pretty huge assumption to make.

[Jman]

1 hour ago, PokeNirvash said:

Are you seriously telling us it's impossible for I.G to work with both [as] and Netflix. Because that's a pretty huge assumption to make.

It reduces openings.  Even if it’s a non-exclusive contract, the fact is the industry is operating at capacity.  

[Blatch]

The way I see it, Toonami will have to keep making originals if they want to stay afloat. This is a side effect of what the industry has become, as fewer anime are available to air on TV compared to ten years ago. They apparently have plans for stuff for about the next three years (mid-2021), and I'm sure they consist mostly of co-productions. It's just that we haven't heard about anything on the level of Samurai Jack S5 and the FLCL sequels since those were announced, which was a long time ago, and Alternative will be over and done with pretty soon.

We can complain that Jason and friends aren't doing a good enough job of airing new anime, but that regards licensed shows they have to wrangle the TV rights for. I have no reason to be pessimistic about original content.

[korosu]

2 hours ago, Jman said:

It reduces openings.  Even if it’s a non-exclusive contract, the fact is the industry is operating at capacity.  

Maki: It is always my best interest to work on an original show with and for them. We have many ideas and concepts, so all they have to say is, “Maki, let’s do it!” and I’m down.

http://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-faithful-interviews-maki-terashima-furuta-from-production-ig/

[QueenoftheDorks]

Netflix is available in almost every country in the world. It makes complete sense for them to partner with studios in those countries in which they operate in order to create programming. It gives them an added bonus to be able to distribute them in other countries (as by partially owning it they don't have to pay multiple times to show it.) And with everyone and their dog starting up streaming services, Netflix is trying to get a grasp on more series that they don't have to worry about losing if suddenly everyone stops playing ball with them.

[The1gairon]

Nope. This belongs in the Crunchyroll's original show thread.

[The1gairon]

"His FLCL fanfic".  I'm gonna correct you right now considering this is one of your darling phrases to use. The staff said they gave the Japanese writers freedom to write whatever they wanted in these sequels except for very broad rules. 1. Haruko, her guitar, and her vespa, have to be in them. 2. the soundtrack must be done by The PILLOWS. 3. the MCs should be women this time, etc.  DeMarco in no way made anything more specific than that.  They accepted whatever else IG wanted to write.

[The1gairon]

7 hours ago, Jman said:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-01-31/netflix-to-co-produce-anime-with-production-i.g-bones-wit-studio/.127164

Netflix locked IG up at the start of the year.  

You can't "lock" any one studio, people! If this were true, IG wouldn't work with Toonami at all!

[Jman]

13 minutes ago, elfie said:

You can't "lock" any one studio, people! If this were true, IG wouldn't work with Toonami at all!

I elaborated on that.  It’s not so much that it’s the studio is exclusive, it’s that demand for the animu has increased by leaps and bounds thanks to all these services which means waiting periods.

[Jman]

19 minutes ago, elfie said:

Nope. This belongs in the Crunchyroll's original show thread.

I don’t see how.  It’s worth talking about the fact that more people are funding productions than before.  Crunchyroll is late to the game, sure, but there’s other people doing it too.

And that doesn’t count pseudo-anime/anime inspired work like Powerhouse studios productions of Castlevania (which went over well enough to get a second season) and the upcoming Seis Manos.

[The1gairon]

21 minutes ago, Jman said:

I elaborated on that.  It’s not so much that it’s the studio is exclusive, it’s that demand for the animu has increased by leaps and bounds thanks to all these services which means waiting periods.

I suspect that will bring more problems that good ones. There will be more low-quality, pandering fanservice anime just to get more of their bottom line and fill the disposable airtime with, and more chances animators will be horribly treated financially and mentally. The average new animator in Japan quits after 3 years because it's a horrible way to live there.  Also

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/japans-anime-industry-grows-record-177b-boosted-by-your-name-exports-1058463

[The1gairon]

22 minutes ago, Jman said:

I don’t see how.  It’s worth talking about the fact that more people are funding productions than before.  Crunchyroll is late to the game, sure, but there’s other people doing it too.

And that doesn’t count pseudo-anime/anime inspired work like Powerhouse studios productions of Castlevania (which went over well enough to get a second season) and the upcoming Seis Manos.

Well then since this is in the Toonami section, we should talk more about how this would affect Toonami. So far, FLCL and their original productions are a good start.

[Daos]

3 hours ago, elfie said:

I suspect that will bring more problems that good ones. There will be more low-quality, pandering fanservice anime just to get more of their bottom line and fill the disposable airtime with, and more chances animators will be horribly treated financially and mentally. The average new animator in Japan quits after 3 years because it's a horrible way to live there.  Also

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/japans-anime-industry-grows-record-177b-boosted-by-your-name-exports-1058463

LOW QUALITY PANDERING FAN SERVICE ANIME?????

Well I never. If you say one bad thing about shows that have a OP Kirito look alike MC then you have lost a customer today sir.

 

[Jman]

I'll say this much -

Given what apparently came out of the sizzle reel from CR, Toonami doesn't have to worry about a damn thing from them concerning originals.

Of course, Toonami needs to give the world an original that’s not a sequel no one demanded.  

Please don’t make Cowboy Bebop II is all I’m saying.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Jman

[ben0119]

On 9/6/2018 at 11:40 AM, Blatch said:

The way I see it, Toonami will have to keep making originals if they want to stay afloat. This is a side effect of what the industry has become, as fewer anime are available to air on TV compared to ten years ago. They apparently have plans for stuff for about the next three years (mid-2021), and I'm sure they consist mostly of co-productions. It's just that we haven't heard about anything on the level of Samurai Jack S5 and the FLCL sequels since those were announced, which was a long time ago, and Alternative will be over and done with pretty soon.

We can complain that Jason and friends aren't doing a good enough job of airing new anime, but that regards licensed shows they have to wrangle the TV rights for. I have no reason to be pessimistic about original content.

That's unfortunate.  Shows being on Toonami is what made me watch them.  I've been watching ASA/Toonami for years and I rarely miss it.  That time is already set aside.  To watch other stuff I have to carve time out of the tons of other shows, games, and other stuff I'm doing and commit to watching a show.  Indeed, we now have the opposite problem of years ago when you might hear someone say "I'm bored."  Now there's not enough time to watch everything!  I almost watched SAO and JoJo on my own thanks to recommendations from a friend and looking into them, then Toonami got them.  But I foolishly "saved" Fairy Tail in the hopes I could watch it for the first time with everyone on Toonami.  Never again!  Still, it's going to be hard to find the time to watch all these other shows!

And yeah, lets hope the originals are more original from now on, or at least, sequels people asked for!

[Jman]

Bebop II would probably have the same audacity of the video game that changed the end of freaking Scarface.

And yes that was a real thing.  The game STARTS with Pachino blowing away the assassin that kills him in the movie. 

Edited September 11, 2018 by Jman

[ben0119]

If Demarco does that he is officially dead to me.