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The average bar usually shows one of two things on an “off” week.  Sports highlights, and local news, although the Irish bar by me would show SNL at that hour.  Pop Team Epic, or anime in general?  There’d be immediate heckling to “get that weeb shit off the TV!”  “Put on baseball!”  Etc.

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8 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

That's our Jman, making overall assumptions and claiming they're accurate as he always does. :3

The former are patterns learned through observations of bars.

The latter is me trying to be funny, but usually yeah, how many times do you go to a bar and hear someone ask to change the channel to put on a game?

There’s one exception, this burger place that serves artisan burgers but will air, not kidding, Boomerang, on its TV’s, which I’m willing to bet is done to add to the hipster atmosphere.

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If you live in a town that airs anything but sports on the bar TVs, I envy you. New Hampshire/northern Massachusetts is a graveyard when it comes to fine culture. Everyone's too busy getting drunk and yelling about when the next Patriots game is on. Hitherto, it's always sports, if not the local news.

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6 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Well, after last week's uber-boost, that made last week's ratings seem more like 2017 ratings, this week things are pretty much back to normal:

Final Cable 2018 Jun 23.SAT

That's FLCL2's 3rd-worst performance. But I guess a boneheaded comedy episode of Super didn't set the tone right quite like last week's menacing start combined with Futurama-level timey wimey stuff???

Yeah, that one confuses me as well.

IN OTHER NEWS, Dragon Ball Super will officially break the 10-year weeknight strip action embargo this coming Monday, airing at 8 PM on weeknights, replacing King of the Hill! Too bad it couldn't be DBZ Kai, which arguably did a ton better and has more of a "classic" feel to it.

Let's talk about those 18-34s. They may SEEM low compared to last week, but DBS still WON the night among cable originals, Kai placed 3rd, FLCL 4th, and JoJo 5th. As long as that keeps happening, fear not about Toonami!

Also, just updated: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-23-2018.html

The Adult Swim line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL at 0.44/0.37 compared to last week’s 0.52/0.44, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.05 to 0.29/661K, FLCL down 0.07 to 0.25, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE down 0.06 to 0.21, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.06 to 0.21/418K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.01 to 0.22/439K, NARUTO up 0.02 to 0.23/439K, SPACE DANDY up 0.02 to 0.18/358K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.01 to 0.15/299K, and LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.04 to 0.13/292K.

6/23/18 - Total Viewers
Show Viewers Retention
DBS 885,000 #DIV/0!
DBZKFC 783,000 88.47%
MHA 661,000 84.42%
FLCL2 546,000 82.60%
JoJo 457,000 83.70%
HxH 418,000 91.47%
B. Clover 439,000 105.02%
Shippuden 439,000 100.00%
Dandy 358,000 81.55%
Bebop 299,000 83.52%
Lupin 292,000 97.66%
AVERAGE 507,000 16th of 24

Not so great retention for FLCL2 this time, but that IS MHA's 3rd-highest total viewers! Same for FLCL2, but when it's only 3rd-highest out of 4, that's also 2nd worst. At least the average stayed above 500K, though still below average for 2018.

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6 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

I fear for next week when Arale and Hoshiiro Girldrop make their appearance.

Yeah... I think there's a valid argument to be made that Toonami should've aired a comedy that wasn't so baroque and "out there" as their first one. But PPTP is genuinely popular, which might act against that. I'm more concerned about DB Super entering comedic filler literally right as the new show premieres.

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7 minutes ago, Blatch said:

Yeah... I think there's a valid argument to be made that Toonami should've aired a comedy that wasn't so baroque and "out there" as their first one. But PPTP is genuinely popular, which might act against that. I'm more concerned about DB Super entering comedic filler literally right as the new show premieres.

I feel like it’s gonna have the Tim and Eric effect.

A part of the audience will fervently, ANGIRLY hate it.

A part of the audience will find it funny in small doses, but will check out midway or not be consistent.

A part of the audience will be hardcore defenders of the show and go all in on haters.  (Remember when Tim and Eric fans had their own board on the ASMB?  They had the strictest anti-complaint rules and out and out had a thread to shame critics called the Dunn-geon.)

The question is how many people fill categories 2 and 3.

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3 hours ago, Blatch said:

Yeah... I think there's a valid argument to be made that Toonami should've aired a comedy that wasn't so baroque and "out there" as their first one. But PPTP is genuinely popular, which might act against that. I'm more concerned about DB Super entering comedic filler literally right as the new show premieres.

I think you're confusing the fact that it was widely advertised and hyped for popularity. It's not anywhere near popular.

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3 hours ago, Jman said:

I feel like it’s gonna have the Tim and Eric effect.

A part of the audience will fervently, ANGIRLY hate it.

A part of the audience will find it funny in small doses, but will check out midway or not be consistent.

A part of the audience will be hardcore defenders of the show and go all in on haters.  (Remember when Tim and Eric fans had their own board on the ASMB?  They had the strictest anti-complaint rules and out and out had a thread to shame critics called the Dunn-geon.)

The question is how many people fill categories 2 and 3.

Most people are going to hate it.

A tiny but very vocal group will love it and claim that everyone else just doesn't get it.

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2 hours ago, Daos said:

I think you're confusing the fact that it was widely advertised and hyped for popularity. It's not anywhere near popular.

Honestly, I don't know how to gauge the show's popularity, but it comes from a combination of my own social media feed, interest articles about the show from other websites have generated, and fan art. There's quite a lot of works depicting characters from other shows as Popuko and Pipimi, and that has to account for something. Plus, a few scenes from the source material have become legitimate memes, such as the "Arrested for YouTube crimes" strip, and Popuko saying "I understand everything now."

And as for the Tim & Eric point, I haven't seen any vocal defenders of the show in that vein. It's kind of ironic, too, as it goes against Bkub's own mentality that the manga/show doesn't care about what you think of it. Those two girls work in strange ways.

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7 hours ago, Blatch said:

Honestly, I don't know how to gauge the show's popularity, but it comes from a combination of my own social media feed, interest articles about the show from other websites have generated, and fan art. There's quite a lot of works depicting characters from other shows as Popuko and Pipimi, and that has to account for something. Plus, a few scenes from the source material have become legitimate memes, such as the "Arrested for YouTube crimes" strip, and Popuko saying "I understand everything now."

And as for the Tim & Eric point, I haven't seen any vocal defenders of the show in that vein. It's kind of ironic, too, as it goes against Bkub's own mentality that the manga/show doesn't care about what you think of it. Those two girls work in strange ways.

I haven't seen anyone mention anything about the show except on youtube clips that are from the show.  And this site of course.

This is where MAL is pretty good at determining how many people have actually seen a show, their "most popular" list has all the stuff you'd expect to be popular, AOT, Angel beats, Death Note, Naruto, One Punch Man. Stein's Gate, all in the top 10 where you'd expect them to be. Newer stuff like MHA and Re Zero are in the top 50.

Pop team epic is.... 866. It's up there with Casshern sins at 870.

Even Stuff like Blood C and Dimension W are in the 400's and those are pretty much anime that only people who are really into anime are going to be aware of.

Stuff that I guarantee almost no one here has seen like Worldend is 525.

So unless there's some hidden community of people that love PTE and just don't go on MAL I'm going to have to go with saying that it's not actually popular. They did a great job advertising it though, they got me to check out an episode.

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I think we need to stop acting like MAL is the end-all solution for an anime's popularity. I don't even know how much of the collective worldwide community uses it. I certainly don't, or at least not more than just barely.

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Adult Swim PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000)
10:30 Dragon Ball Super 885 0.44 562
11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 783 0.37 477
11:30 My Hero Academia (r) 661 0.29 379
12:00a FLCL: Progressive 546 0.25 321
12:30a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 457 0.21 276
1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 418 0.21 265
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1:30a Black Clover (r) 439 0.22 287
2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 439 0.23 291
2:30a Space Dandy (r) 358 0.18 226
3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 299 0.15 188
3:30a Lupin The 3rd: Part 4 (r) 292 0.13 172
6/23/18 - Adults 18-49
Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49
DBS 562,000 #DIV/0!
DBZKFC 477,000 84.88%
MHA 379,000 79.45%
FLCL2 321,000 84.70%
JoJo 276,000 85.98%
HxH 265,000 96.01%
B. Clover 287,000 108.30%
Shippuden 291,000 101.39%
Dandy 226,000 77.66%
Bebop 188,000 83.19%
Lupin 172,000 91.49%
AVERAGE 313,091 15th of 25

Still no clue whether or not DBS beat its Family Guy lead-in. But that is slightly below average (by about 4K) for 2018.

Next week, Toonami gets really weird, especially in its first half. Only MHA is pedestrian; DBS, FLCL2, PTE, and JoJo are REALLY gonna bring the crazy. Hopefully that's good for ratings!

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46 minutes ago, Blatch said:

I think we need to stop acting like MAL is the end-all solution for an anime's popularity. I don't even know how much of the collective worldwide community uses it. I certainly don't, or at least not more than just barely.

Millions of people use it. The top 8 anime have rankings from over a million people.... it's not some small ball site. It's enough to get a general idea if a show is popular or not.

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http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-mexico-in-the-world-cup-continues-to-be-a-ratings-boon-for-telemundo/

Family Guy (R) (ADSM, Sat. 6/23/18 10:00 PM, 30 min.)
• 0.994 million viewers (#78)
• 0.553 million adults 18-49 (0.43 A18-49 rating) (#9)

Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, Sat. 6/23/18 10:30 PM, 30 min.)
• 0.885 million viewers (#105)
• 0.562 million adults 18-49 (0.44 A18-49 rating) (#8)

Well, there you have it. DBS didn't beat FG in total viewers; in fact it lost over a million, but it DID edge it out in Adults 18-49. Oh, and by the way, this is the 14th time out of 24 this has happened this year, making it the rule, rather than the exception.

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EPIC FAIL???

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-30-2018.html

Final Cable 2018 Jun 30.SAT

Yeah, kinda. But it might do better if DBS can get back above 900K, let alone a million. Decent sampling in key demos, though I would have hoped FLCL/PTE had a little bit more girl power behind them. This part of the lineup has the potential to be the analogue of the Kill la Kill-SAO-InuYasha mini-block from 2015 (albeit with numbers a fraction that high), but that isn't what we're seeing. Shows with strong female leads have been few and far between on Toonami in recent years, and unfortunately this pairing will be very short-lived, at least in premieres. After next week FLCL2 goes into reruns and we only get to see the demographic performances of 3 shows for a while.

Even so, all of Toonami's eligible shows made the Top 12, DBS won the night in 18-34 among cable originals, FLCL2 came in 3rd, Pop Team Epic 5th, and JoJo tied for 6th. Also, JoJo retained well in total viewers and key demos. 

And on that note,

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DeMarco says "Thank You!"

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Oof... it turns out that removing DBZ Kai makes everything go down sooner. A year or two ago, My Hero Academia would've been trashed for not being the post-Dragon Ball "savior" to improve the ratings. But hey, very little Toonami has aired can do that, and the shows are still doing great in the demographics. ^_^

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Ugh.

The Adult Swim late-night line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL up a tick to 0.45, MY HERO ACADEMIA down a tick to 0.28/601K, FLCL up 0.02 to 0.27, POP TEAM EPIC at 0.21/437K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURES down a tick to 0.20, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.03 to 0.18/386K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.04 to 0.18/377K, NARUTO down 0.02 to 0.21/379K, SPACE DANDY down 0.03 to 0.15/287K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.12/245K, and LUPIN THE 3RD steady at 0.13/247K. 

6/30/18 - Total Viewers
Show Viewers Retention
DBS 893,000 #DIV/0!
MHA 601,000 67.30%
FLCL2 546,000 90.85%
PTE 437,000 80.04%
JoJo 431,000 98.63%
HxH 386,000 89.56%
B. Clover 377,000 97.67%
Shippuden 379,000 100.53%
Dandy 287,000 75.73%
Bebop 245,000 85.37%
Lupin 247,000 100.82%
AVERAGE  439,000 24th of 26

THIRD TO LAST for the year so far.

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5 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

In retrospect, maybe they SHOULD have pulled an OP with MHA and started with the recap episode that begins the 2nd season...

 

That didn't help OP in the long run and it doubtful the method would work here regardless of being shorter & already in HD.

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After some thought, I personally feel that the DB Super episode is responsible for the low retention. Who's to say earliest portion making up the average 600k viewership wasn't the result of people not wanting to watch MHA, but people being turned off by the Super episode beforehand?

(I feel this would make more sense coming out of someone else's mouth.)

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5 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

After some thought, I personally feel that the DB Super episode is responsible for the low retention. Who's to say earliest portion making up the average 600k viewership wasn't the result of people not wanting to watch MHA, but people being turned off by the Super episode beforehand?

(I feel this would make more sense coming out of someone else's mouth.)

Nah, man.  It’s on the new show, which is an unproven commodity.

I wonder how many casuals ditch MHA because it isn’t One Punch Man.

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Well damn, 67% retention for My Hero? That can't entirely be the show's fault. Like other people, I'm personally hedging on Dr. Slump tanking the night.

Obviously, next week won't be much better for Super, but what about the next several months of filler and slow-paced table setting before the Universe Survival arc begins? FLCL could drop to... like, #9 on the list.

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It's kind of a moot point since there's nothing they have that would do better than MHA anyway. They can air AOT S3 when they get it but even as a dub premiere it will probably lose 20 percent of Super's audience. Even Kai was losing 20 percent towards the end.

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11 hours ago, Daos said:

but even as a dub premiere it will probably lose 20 percent of Super's audience.

I think this is why they aren't airing it as a same-day simuldub. The difference in ratings between that and a regular fast dub would probably be negligible. And besides, I've seen the KissAnime streaming numbers, and they heavily favor the sub.

On the other hand, we don't know if Funi still wants a true simultaneous release. We might end up with a situation like Black Clover where the dub airs on TV a few weeks after it begins streaming.

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http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-red-sox-yankees-delivers-five-year-best-mlb-on-fox-viewership/

Adult Swim PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000)
10:30 Dragon Ball Super 893 0.45 576
11:00 My Hero Academia (r) 601 0.28 367
11:30 FLCL: Progressive 546 0.27 342
12:00a Pop Team Epic (p) 437 0.21 266
12:30a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 431 0.20 264
1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 386 0.18 234
ProgrammingInsider.com
1:30a Black Clover (r) 377 0.18 238
2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 379 0.21 265
2:30a Space Dandy (r) 287 0.15 198
3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 245 0.12 159
3:30a Lupin The 3rd: Part 4 (r) 247 0.13 163
6/30/18 - Adults 18-49
Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49
Family Guy 555,000  
DBS 576,000 103.78%
MHA 367,000 63.72%
FLCL2 342,000 93.19%
PTE 266,000 77.78%
JoJo 264,000 99.25%
HxH 234,000 88.64%
B. Clover 238,000 101.71%
Shippuden 265,000 111.34%
Dandy 198,000 74.72%
Bebop 159,000 80.30%
Lupin 165,000 103.77%
AVERAGE  279,455 24th of 26

DBS gained as usual, and FLCL2 retained well as well. But MHA and PTE REALLY dropped the ball, unfortunately. Hopefully since now MHA is leaving superhero slice-of-life and getting to some REAL conflict with All Might's old rivals, its ratings retention will improve as well! I'm also interested to see how reruns of FLCL2 do starting the week after next!

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PTE did better than I thought it would, so there is that.

MHA is just not clicking yet, which makes me wonder if it is going to get Clovered....

The block as a whole is doing quite well in demo though, so nothing to be worried about on that score.

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7 hours ago, Ginguy said:

PTE did better than I thought it would, so there is that.

MHA is just not clicking yet, which makes me wonder if it is going to get Clovered....

The block as a whole is doing quite well in demo though, so nothing to be worried about on that score.

Nothing is going to click after Super anymore, that's the drawback to making an hour of Dragonball your main attraction for so long. If Kai could only hold 80 percent of Super during the Goku vs Kid Buu final fight then we're just going to have to accept that this is probably the best a non dub premiere is ever going to do. Especially considering MHA is at the peak of its popularity right now with the recent events in S3.

Toonami's main problem as always is even when they get the hottest shows... we've all seen it years ago. Because they're late. I've seen this subbed and dubbed, this is my 3rd watch. Still better than everything else on Toonami but not everyone is going to be up for watching the same anime they've already seen.

 

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This just in, for MONDAY night:

http://programminginsider.com/monday-final-ratings-braves-yankees-is-yes-networks-highest-rated-non-red-sox-telecast-in-four-years/

Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.)
• 0.455 million viewers (#75)
• 0.28 HH (#77)
• 0.16 A18-49 (#62)
• 0.18 A18-34 (#39)
• 0.15 A25-54 (#90)

Pretty respectable for a weeknight rerun with no advertising, eh? At least it managed to beat the midnight hour and beyond of Toonami last week in total viewers!

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It did keep crashing my internet window tonight!

But at length I got this - Super Weeknights took a step back for Episode 2 in demos:

http://programminginsider.com/tuesday-final-ratings-nbc-remains-prime-time-leader-on-mostly-rerun-filled-night/#comment-18698

Dragon Ball Super (repeat) (ADSM, 8:00 PM, 30 min.)
• 0.461 million viewers (#70)
• 0.29 HH (#69)
• 0.14 A18-49 (#67)
• 0.14 A18-34 (#37)
• 0.12 A25-54 (#94)

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This is also quite interesting:

http://programminginsider.com/live3-weekly-ratings-code-black-leads-all-telecasts-in-viewer-lifts-big-brother-20-debuts-in-three-of-top-4-among-adults-18-49-gains/

Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, Sat., 6/30/18 10:30P )
• Live+Same Day: 0.894 million viewers / 0.577 million adults 18-49 (0.45 adults 18-49 rating)
• Live+3 Day: 1.205 million viewers (+34.79%) / 0.767 million adults 18-49 (0.60 adults 18-49 rating) (+32.93%)

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3 hours ago, Jman said:

The gulf over Justice League is insane.

Well it’s not like anyone saw it in the theatre.

Well, its 11:07 PM encore DID beat most of the Toonami shows in the same timeslots in 18-49 and that might be a problem, but they sure handled it in all the young adult demos!

And, it's premiere was obliterated by Dragon Ball Super in 18-34 and male 12-34!

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Do y'all want me to start a separate Dragon Ball Super Weeknight Run ratings thread, or to just post the numbers in this thread? Please let me know, but for now I will do the latter. Here's what I've collected so far:

 
             
             
             
             
     
             
             
 
             
             
             
             
     
             

Wow, that looked like crap--let me try that again!

Ratings
  Ep Viewers HH 18-49 18-34 25-54
7/2/2018 #1 455,000 0.28 0.16 0.18 0.15
7/3/2018 #2 461,000 0.29 0.14 0.14 0.12
7/4/2018 #3 378,000 0.25 0.12 0.13 0.11
7/5/2018 #4 N/A
7/6/2018 #5 576,000 0.31 0.21 0.24 0.19
W1 AVG   467,500 0.28 0.16 0.17 0.14

 

Rank (Across ALL Cable Prime-Time)
  Ep P2+ HH 18-49 18-34 25-54
7/2/2018 1 #75 #77 #62 #39 #90
7/3/2018 2 #70 #69 #67 #37 #94
7/4/2018 3 #74 #63 #72 #37 #95
7/5/2018 4 N/A
7/6/2018 5 #58 #69 #29 #7 #52

SOURCE: Programming Insider

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Well, this is bat shit crazy: the 1 AM hour beat the Midnight Hour!

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-7-7-2018.html

Adult Swim’s late-night line-up performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL down a tenth to 0.35, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.02 to 0.26/560K, FLCL down 0.06 to 0.21/443K, POP TEAM EPIC down 0.04 to 0.17/374K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURES down 0.04 to 0.16, HUNTER X HUNTER steady at 0.18/435K, BLACK CLOVER down a tick to 0.17/400K, NARUTO down 0.04 to 0.17/359K, SPACE DANDY down a tick to 0.14/307K, COWBOY BEBOP up 0.03 to 0.15/304K, and LUPIN THE 3RD steady at 0.13/273K.

And it's not as bad as it could have been otherwise, also because until Lupin everything stayed above 300K.

Unlucky 7/7/18 - Total Viewers
Show Viewers Retention
DBS 754,000 #DIV/0!
MHA 560,000 74.27%
FLCL2 443,000 79.11%
PTE 374,000 84.42%
JoJo 382,000 102.14%
HxH 435,000 113.87%
B. Clover 400,000 91.95%
Shippuden 359,000 89.75%
Dandy 307,000 85.52%
Bebop 304,000 99.02%
Lupin 273,000 89.80%
AVERAGE 417,364 26th of 27

Still next to dead last though!

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Wow those numbers....

 

P2+ was garbage save DBS. The good thing is the demo share was won largely by [as], the bad thing is, that audience was just not very large. It is kind of like getting the lion's share of a twinkie when everyone else has a half sheet cake.

 

Also lulz that screaming Asta recap/filler beat PTE which was advertised.

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