Did you know that the National Anthem of the United States celebrates killing escapes slaves?

[SwimModSponges]

Yep.

Edited February 24, 2018 by SwimModSponges

[CAC]

cool

[fuggnificent]

yes i knew that. the parts they edited out.

[Lasty]

Am not surprised.

[SwimModSponges]

They're not edited out, it's just that nobody reminds them because that makes the song too long and everybody at sports games gets bored and wants to sit down.

[fuggnificent]

1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said:

They're not edited out, it's just that nobody reminds them because that makes the song too long and everybody at sports games gets bored and wants to sit down.

what are you saying? it is edited. no one sings the slave part.

[SwimModSponges]

Yeah, nobody sings it like nobody watches the 12 hour directors cut of the hobbit. 

I mean its there, but youve got to want it. 

[fuggnificent]

2 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Yeah, nobody sings it like nobody watches the 12 hour directors cut of the hobbit. 

I mean its there, but youve got to want it. 

sponges we are basically saying the same thing.

[Juice McKenzie]

i think that's kind of a stretch but sure

[crackymckrackin]

1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

Yep.

If we are making up shit I got one for you. Marlboro packs are a nod to phillip morris's ties to the kkk. There are three k's on the box and two hooded figures hidden between the horses legs carrying a banner. They recently removed the text on the banner.

[SwimModSponges]

Not making anything up. Third verse:

Quote

[...] Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Edited February 24, 2018 by SwimModSponges

[Cau]

So you're saying Fergie was doing us a favor?

[fuggnificent]

9 minutes ago, Cau said:

So you're saying Fergie was doing us a favor?

look up the remix. hiiilllaarrious

[Hornshire]

So. You're not entirely wrong.

But the general expectation of "Did you know" type statements is that they are about expanding knowledge by providing a fuller picture of the world, and not peddling a narrative by leaving out context that, while not perhaps tantamount to a full exoneration, paints a very different image than the one you're promoting.

[SwimModSponges]

2 hours ago, Kweerie said:

So. You're not entirely wrong.

But the general expectation of "Did you know" type statements is that they are about expanding knowledge by providing a fuller picture of the world, and not peddling a narrative by leaving out context that, while not perhaps tantamount to a full exoneration, paints a very different image than the one you're promoting.

I am entirely right- the anthem celebrates killing slaves.

Expanding knowledge of the world- francis scott key was a fan of killing escaped slaves.

Context- francis scott key wrote the anthem during a battle in which escaped slaves were killed enthusiastically. 

Narrative peddled- facts.

[Distortedreasoning]

yes already knew that. not a real big surprise considering the origins of the country. 

 

[Hornshire]

1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

I am entirely right- the anthem celebrates killing enemy soldiers in war, which includes slaves that joined the British and took up arms against the United States.

Expanding knowledge of the world- francis scott key was a fan of killing enemy soldiers in war, which includes escaped slaves that joined the British and took up arms against the United States.

Context- francis scott key wrote the anthem during a battle in which enemy soldiers, which includes escaped slaves that joined the British and took up arms against the United States were killed enthusiastically. 

Narrative peddled- facts.

Fair point.

[Distortedreasoning]

52 minutes ago, Kweerie said:

Fair point.

are you for reals or trying to be funny? 

[Hornshire]

6 minutes ago, Distortedreasoning said:

are you for reals or trying to be funny? 

We operate under the general assumption that We exist, despite having no actual means of verifying this, because otherwise that's an existential can of worms We aren't quite prepared to deal with.

Why? Are you amused?

[Distortedreasoning]

wtf are you talking about?

 

i was just curious if you were trying to be funny by being racist or not. help me understand. 

[Hornshire]

Racism isn't funny.

You really need that explained to you?

[tsar4]

From Snopes - 
"In fairness, it has also been argued that Key may have intended the phrase as a reference to the British Navy’s practice of impressment (kidnapping sailors and forcing them to fight in defense of the crown), or as a semi-metaphorical slap at the British invading force as a whole (which included a large number of mercenaries), though the latter line of thinking suggests an even stronger alternative theory — namely, that the word “hirelings” refers literally to mercenaries, and “slaves” refers literally to slaves. It doesn’t appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

[fuggnificent]

7 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

From Snopes - 
"In fairness, it has also been argued that Key may have intended the phrase as a reference to the British Navy’s practice of impressment (kidnapping sailors and forcing them to fight in defense of the crown), or as a semi-metaphorical slap at the British invading force as a whole (which included a large number of mercenaries), though the latter line of thinking suggests an even stronger alternative theory — namely, that the word “hirelings” refers literally to mercenaries, and “slaves” refers literally to slaves. It doesn’t appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

It should say "argued by white revisionist historians..."

[tsar4]

6 minutes ago, fuggnificent said:

It should say "argued by white revisionist historians..."

Hardly a valid argumentative counterpoint.  Nobody alive knows exactly what Key intended.

[fuggnificent]

4 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

Hardly a valid argumentative counterpoint.  Nobody alive knows exactly what Key intended.

Oh jeez. Yah he totally wasnt talking about the millions of slaves in the country when he wrote "slaves". Get real.

[tsar4]

"Millions?"  Hyperbole.

[fuggnificent]

5 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

"Millions?"  Hyperbole.

About a million.still

https://userpages.umbc.edu/~bouton/History407/SlaveStats.htm

[tsar4]

Same page I looked at.  ~1.52 M in 1820 when you total North & South.

[fuggnificent]

Just now, tsar4 said:

Same page I looked at.  ~1.52 M in 1820 when you total North & South.

What dumb shit you gonna say now? They were indentured severants? The lyrics are clear

[tsar4]

I can see this makes you emotional, which should never enter any argument.

[SwimModSponges]

2 hours ago, tsar4 said:

From Snopes - 
"In fairness, it has also been argued that Key may have intended the phrase as a reference to the British Navy’s practice of impressment (kidnapping sailors and forcing them to fight in defense of the crown), or as a semi-metaphorical slap at the British invading force as a whole (which included a large number of mercenaries), though the latter line of thinking suggests an even stronger alternative theory — namely, that the word “hirelings” refers literally to mercenaries, and “slaves” refers literally to slaves. It doesn’t appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

From snopes, higher up on the page-

"historians (notably Robin Blackburn, author of The Overthrow of Colonial Slavery, 1776-1848, and Alan Taylor, author of “American Blacks in the War of 1812”), who have indeed read the stanza as glorying in the Americans’ defeat of the Corps of Colonial Marines, one of two units of black slaves recruited between 1808 and 1816 to fight for the British on the promise of gaining their freedom. Like so many of his compatriots, Francis Scott Key, the wealthy American lawyer who wrote “The Star Spangled Banner” in the wake of the Battle of Fort McHenry on 14 September 1814, was a slaveholder who believed blacks to be “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.” It goes without saying that Key did not have the enslaved black population of America in mind when he penned the words “land of the free.” It would be logical to assume, as well, that he might have harbored a special resentment toward African Americans who fought against the United States on behalf of the King." [...]

"After the U.S. and the British signed a peace treaty at the end of 1814, the U.S. government demanded the return of American “property,” which by that point numbered about 6,000 people. The British refused. Most of the 6,000 eventually settled in Canada, with some going to Trinidad, where their descendants are still known as “Merikins.”"

Edited February 25, 2018 by SwimModSponges