André Toulon Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 People say this a lot, but the entity that is Venom, isn't it really just a villain? Eddie is mostly an anti-hero because he has no ambitions at world domination of his own.....He just hates Parker and over the years, certain other heroes, and the Symbiote itself isn't really inherently evil, it simply wants to survive and be strong. My limited knowledge of it doesn't lead me to believe it acts out of spite or vengeance outright unless you disturb it's procreation. So when combined, the two become a completely different thing....Venom....Who he, or them, themselves, seek destruction and power......Now in times when Eddie can control the parasite, he does kinda act as an anti-hero, and in time when the symbiote controls him, it's only seeking power and the death of those who oppose it...So at the end of the day, can Venom really be labeled as any of the things such as Hero, anti-hero, of villain? Yes, I'm bored and high....Bout to get drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornshire Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 In Our mind, he's classified as villain. Granted, applying simple labels to complex concepts is messy as a general rule, and the varying continuity of comics makes this specific categorization all the more hazy. In some arcs he is clearly an anti-hero figure, and in others he is not at all, so a lot of it depends on which sources an individual will give priority when constructing the character in one's head. We tend not to contest people's opinion on the matter if their reasoning is even remotely sound. A lot of people, though, like to use the term anti-hero only because they're uncomfortable with liking a villain. Like, We've seen it applied to Loki for fuck's sake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 True, true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapinator_X Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 He comes off as more of a villain considering his grudge for Peter, but there have been enough times they’ve worked together that he’s not 100% a villain. He’s probably the hero of his own story as many are, but I feel like many anti-heroes are more into doing low-key heroics than Venom is. Eddie is just much less of a bastard than Carnage, so he comes off like he’d be a better person without the anger he has for Peter fueling his criminal rampage as Venom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I think as long as Venom is able to find hosts with flaws to enhance, he'll always be considered a villain. The 'worst' in someone is always the easiest to exploit and those feelings are probably more 'nourishing' to the symbiote, letting it bond more deeply faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeNewBee Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 20 hours ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: People say this a lot, but the entity that is Venom, isn't it really just a villain? Eddie is mostly an anti-hero because he has no ambitions at world domination of his own.....He just hates Parker and over the years, certain other heroes, and the Symbiote itself isn't really inherently evil, it simply wants to survive and be strong. My limited knowledge of it doesn't lead me to believe it acts out of spite or vengeance outright unless you disturb it's procreation. So when combined, the two become a completely different thing....Venom....Who he, or them, themselves, seek destruction and power......Now in times when Eddie can control the parasite, he does kinda act as an anti-hero, and in time when the symbiote controls him, it's only seeking power and the death of those who oppose it...So at the end of the day, can Venom really be labeled as any of the things such as Hero, anti-hero, of villain? Yes, I'm bored and high....Bout to get drunk. He started off a villain became a anti-hero They symbiote slowly evolved with each host before it went back to Eddie Who became his favorite Became kind of Zen Doesn't like negative feelings wants to help others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaos Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 6 hours ago, JeNewBee said: He started off a villain became a anti-hero They symbiote slowly evolved with each host before it went back to Eddie Who became his favorite Became kind of Zen Doesn't like negative feelings wants to help others Yeah, all of this is true for the symbiote now. Before bonding with Eddie Brock again, it often had talks about morality with its previous host, Lee Price. It wanted Lee to use its own powers for good, but he didn't listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 But what about when it bonded with Flash Thompson.....I mean Flash was a douche but I don't remember the Symbiote making him "evil"......If it preys on weaker and more anger filled sensibilities, wouldn't it have turned Flash into a monster as well.....I know I'm delving into a rather obscure universe, but I feel like that whole thing was phoned in. As far as Carnage goes, I think Kasady was more evil than the Symbiote itself and he was more using it than it was using him....Also, when he bonded, did he use "we"......I don't recall but I think he still considered himself a single entity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeNewBee Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: But what about when it bonded with Flash Thompson.....I mean Flash was a douche but I don't remember the Symbiote making him "evil"......If it preys on weaker and more anger filled sensibilities, wouldn't it have turned Flash into a monster as well.....I know I'm delving into a rather obscure universe, but I feel like that whole thing was phoned in. As far as Carnage goes, I think Kasady was more evil than the Symbiote itself and he was more using it than it was using him....Also, when he bonded, did he use "we"......I don't recall but I think he still considered himself a single entity Lee was after Flash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: But what about when it bonded with Flash Thompson.....I mean Flash was a douche but I don't remember the Symbiote making him "evil"......If it preys on weaker and more anger filled sensibilities, wouldn't it have turned Flash into a monster as well.....I know I'm delving into a rather obscure universe, but I feel like that whole thing was phoned in. As far as Carnage goes, I think Kasady was more evil than the Symbiote itself and he was more using it than it was using him....Also, when he bonded, did he use "we"......I don't recall but I think he still considered himself a single entity Meh, Flash was always the high school jock bully type which usually translates into feelings of insecurity. Emphasizing those types of emotions might have been considered detrimental to the symbiote itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mix Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I've read comics where he's played the role of the good guy, but it seemed to be couched under a "one time only" type situation with spiderman... I think they created carnage to put Venom in an even better light, because Carnage is pretty straight forward with his evil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Anti-hero isn't the word I'd use to describe a slime alien body snatcher who wants to eat and replace a person so no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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