Why didn't this go into mass production?

[Insipid]

I asked ChatGPT for you, Packard:

"The Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser (ABL) was a high-energy laser weapon system developed by the United States Air Force and Boeing to destroy ballistic missiles in their boost phase, before they could release their warheads. While the YAL-1 program demonstrated the ability to shoot down a ballistic missile in a test in 2010, the program was ultimately canceled in 2011 before the system could be put into mass production. There were several reasons for this:

1. High cost: The YAL-1 program was very expensive, with a reported cost of over $5 billion. The high cost of the program was a major factor in its cancellation.
2. Limited capability: The YAL-1 was designed to shoot down ballistic missiles during their boost phase, which is only a short window of time after the missile is launched. This limited the system's effectiveness and made it less attractive than other missile defense systems that could intercept missiles at later stages of flight.
3. Technical challenges: The YAL-1 faced a number of technical challenges, including the need for a large, high-power laser that could operate effectively in the challenging environment of an airborne platform. These technical challenges made the program more complex and difficult to execute than other missile defense systems.

Overall, the combination of high cost, limited capability, and technical challenges made the YAL-1 program difficult to justify, leading to its cancellation before it could enter mass production."

[Gemini]

11 minutes ago, Insipid said:

I asked ChatGPT for you, Packard:

"The Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser (ABL) was a high-energy laser weapon system developed by the United States Air Force and Boeing to destroy ballistic missiles in their boost phase, before they could release their warheads. While the YAL-1 program demonstrated the ability to shoot down a ballistic missile in a test in 2010, the program was ultimately canceled in 2011 before the system could be put into mass production. There were several reasons for this:

1. High cost: The YAL-1 program was very expensive, with a reported cost of over $5 billion. The high cost of the program was a major factor in its cancellation.
2. Limited capability: The YAL-1 was designed to shoot down ballistic missiles during their boost phase, which is only a short window of time after the missile is launched. This limited the system's effectiveness and made it less attractive than other missile defense systems that could intercept missiles at later stages of flight.
3. Technical challenges: The YAL-1 faced a number of technical challenges, including the need for a large, high-power laser that could operate effectively in the challenging environment of an airborne platform. These technical challenges made the program more complex and difficult to execute than other missile defense systems.

Overall, the combination of high cost, limited capability, and technical challenges made the YAL-1 program difficult to justify, leading to its cancellation before it could enter mass production."

That's actually very informative. Thanks.

[Vela]

53 minutes ago, hornedlizardman said:

Actually, i think Packard belonged in IB, and pooh stated it clearly: He likes to see his own posts. The only problem is he also takes himself at least a little seriously so he may have ended up wandering back to Babbling.

As a once faithful IBer this explanation has a snug fit.

[Gemini]

9 minutes ago, Vela said:

As a once faithful IBer this explanation has a snug fit.

Is that a good thing or...? Because one could look at that and think I'm also talking about myself in some respects.

Edited February 17, 2023 by hornedlizardman

[Vela]

3 minutes ago, hornedlizardman said:

Is that a good thing or...?

Oh no neither. 

You're welcome.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brought to you by

 

[Gemini]

I like turtles! (Actually, I like horny toads, but no matter.)

Edited February 17, 2023 by hornedlizardman

[Vela]

Lizzards! 

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

50 minutes ago, Insipid said:

I asked ChatGPT for you, Packard:

"The Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser (ABL) was a high-energy laser weapon system developed by the United States Air Force and Boeing to destroy ballistic missiles in their boost phase, before they could release their warheads. While the YAL-1 program demonstrated the ability to shoot down a ballistic missile in a test in 2010, the program was ultimately canceled in 2011 before the system could be put into mass production. There were several reasons for this:

1. High cost: The YAL-1 program was very expensive, with a reported cost of over $5 billion. The high cost of the program was a major factor in its cancellation.
2. Limited capability: The YAL-1 was designed to shoot down ballistic missiles during their boost phase, which is only a short window of time after the missile is launched. This limited the system's effectiveness and made it less attractive than other missile defense systems that could intercept missiles at later stages of flight.
3. Technical challenges: The YAL-1 faced a number of technical challenges, including the need for a large, high-power laser that could operate effectively in the challenging environment of an airborne platform. These technical challenges made the program more complex and difficult to execute than other missile defense systems.

Overall, the combination of high cost, limited capability, and technical challenges made the YAL-1 program difficult to justify, leading to its cancellation before it could enter mass production."

Yup, all the very same obstacles the Wright Brothers had encountered, followed by Blériot.  

"Omfg!  This is getting too hard and expensive.  Let's just give up."

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

1 minute ago, Vela said:

Lizzards! 

Where's the one that sells insurance?

[Gemini]

2 minutes ago, Vela said:

Lizzards! 

The two of us derailing threads:

[Insipid]

3 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Yup, all the very same obstacles the Wright Brothers had encountered, followed by Blériot.  

"Omfg!  This is getting too hard and expensive.  Let's just give up."

What were the main obstacles involved when the Wright Brothers invented flight?

ChatGPT: The Wright Brothers faced several obstacles in their quest to invent flight, including:

1. Lack of existing knowledge: At the time, there was very little scientific understanding of the principles of flight, and few people had attempted to build a powered flying machine.
2. Limited technology: The Wright Brothers had to develop their own technology, including engines and propellers, to power their flying machines. The materials they had to work with were also limited, which made it difficult to build lightweight and sturdy aircraft.
3. Lack of funding: The Wright Brothers had to fund their experiments with their own money, and they had to build their aircraft with a limited budget.
4. Weather conditions: The Wright Brothers had to contend with unpredictable weather conditions, including wind and rain, which could damage their aircraft and make it difficult to fly.
5. Safety concerns: Flying was considered dangerous at the time, and the Wright Brothers had to develop new techniques for controlling their aircraft and ensuring the safety of the pilot.

Despite these obstacles, the Wright Brothers were able to make significant progress in their quest to invent flight. They conducted extensive research, performed numerous test flights, and made important technological advancements that paved the way for modern aviation.

 

Is this situation comparable to the Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser being cancelled?

ChatGPT: The Wright Brothers' invention of flight and the cancellation of the Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser are two different situations that occurred in different contexts and for different reasons.

The Wright Brothers' invention of flight was a significant achievement in the history of aviation that laid the foundation for the development of modern aircraft. They faced significant obstacles, such as the lack of scientific understanding of the principles of flight, limited technology, and lack of funding. However, they were able to overcome these challenges through extensive research, testing, and innovation.

The cancellation of the Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser was a decision made by the United States government in 2010 to discontinue the program due to concerns about its feasibility and cost. The YAL-1 was a high-energy laser mounted on a modified Boeing 747 aircraft that was designed to shoot down ballistic missiles during their boost phase. Despite years of research and development, the system was never able to demonstrate its full capabilities, and concerns about its cost and effectiveness ultimately led to its cancellation.

While both situations involve challenges and obstacles to innovation, they are distinct from one another in terms of their context, goals, and outcomes.

[Gemini]

2 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Where's the one that sells insurance?

He's not real. He's computer-generated. *mind blown*

[Insipid]

ChatGPT is the end of your cherrypicking bullshit.

GG Packard. It was fun while it lasted.

[Vela]

7 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Where's the one that sells insurance?

[André Toulon]

This thread is a farce on soooo many levels. 

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

2 minutes ago, hornedlizardman said:

He's not real. He's computer-generated. *mind blown*

 

2 minutes ago, Insipid said:

ChatGPT is the end of your cherrypicking bullshit.

GG Packard. It was fun while it lasted.

 

So, take away the funding and flight is a no go.

Take away the funding and flying laser canon are a no go.

Seems we have a funding problem.

 

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

6 minutes ago, hornedlizardman said:

He's not real. He's computer-generated. *mind blown*

Did I say he was real?

The answer would be no.

[The_annoying_one]

3 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

This thread is a farce on soooo many levels. 

Fun read, though. I mean, if you’re into train wrecks.

[Insipid]

4 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

So, take away the funding and flight is a no go.

Take away the funding and flying laser canon are a no go.

Seems we have a funding problem.

 

I used this exact quote as a prompt.

ChatGPT: 

Funding is certainly an important factor in the development of new technologies, including aviation and military technologies. Without funding, it can be difficult to conduct research, build prototypes, and perform testing, all of which are necessary for the development of new technologies.

However, funding is not the only factor that determines the success or failure of a technology. Other factors, such as technical feasibility, safety, and regulatory considerations, can also play a significant role.

It's also worth noting that not all technologies that receive funding ultimately succeed. Some technologies may be technically feasible, but may not be practical, cost-effective, or have a significant impact on society. Others may face unexpected technical or regulatory challenges that make it difficult to bring them to market.

Ultimately, the success or failure of a technology depends on a complex set of factors, including funding, technical feasibility, market demand, safety, and regulatory considerations, among others.

[Gemini]

6 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Did I say he was real?

The answer would be no.

[atomicinumatt]

 

41 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Yup, all the very same obstacles the Wright Brothers had encountered, followed by Blériot.  

"Omfg!  This is getting too hard and expensive.  Let's just give up."

You wanker. 

Did you not read my earlier response were I again quoted the very article you posted:

"By 2015, the Missile Defense Agency had started efforts to deploy a laser on a high-altitude UAV. Rather than a manned jetliner containing chemical fuels flying at 40,000 feet (12 km), firing a megawatt laser from a range of "tens of kilometers" at a boost-phase missile, the new concept envisioned an unmanned aircraft carrying an electric laser flying at 65,000 feet (20 km), firing the same power level at targets potentially up to "hundreds of kilometers" away for survivability against air defenses. While the ABL's laser required 55 kg (121 lb) to generate one kW, the MDA wanted to reduce that to 2–5 kg (4.4–11.0 lb) per kW, totaling 5,000 lb (2,300 kg) for a megawatt. Unlike the ABL, which required its crew to rest and chemical fuel to be reloaded, an electric laser would need only power generating from fuel to fire, so a UAV with in-flight refueling could have near-inexhaustible endurance and armament. A "low-power demonstrator" has been planned to fly sometime in or around 2021."

THEY DID NOT GIVE UP. THE FAILED YAL-1 PROGRAM WAS ENDED FOR A NEWER UAV AND ELECTRIC PROGRAM THAT IS MORE POWERFUL AND MORE TACTICAL 

They ended that outdated program and moved funding in favor of new programs. You do not know the details of these programs yet because they are class. These are DoD nuclear missile intercept capabilities so these programs remain class until they conclude or even longer. 

Edited February 17, 2023 by atomicinumatt

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

39 minutes ago, Insipid said:

I used this exact quote as a prompt.

ChatGPT: 

Funding is certainly an important factor in the development of new technologies, including aviation and military technologies. Without funding, it can be difficult to conduct research, build prototypes, and perform testing, all of which are necessary for the development of new technologies.

However, funding is not the only factor that determines the success or failure of a technology. Other factors, such as technical feasibility, safety, and regulatory considerations, can also play a significant role.

It's also worth noting that not all technologies that receive funding ultimately succeed. Some technologies may be technically feasible, but may not be practical, cost-effective, or have a significant impact on society. Others may face unexpected technical or regulatory challenges that make it difficult to bring them to market.

Ultimately, the success or failure of a technology depends on a complex set of factors, including funding, technical feasibility, market demand, safety, and regulatory considerations, among others.

So, did Blériot face a feasibility problem, or didn't he?  Was there any practical long distance flight that was cost effective in his time or not?

 

 

[atomicinumatt]

5 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

So, did Blériot face a feasibility problem, or didn't he?  Was there any practical long distance flight that was cost effective in his time or not?

 

 

The difference is that there are better technologies today than what was being implemented on YAL-1

[Insipid]

48 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

So, did Blériot face a feasibility problem, or didn't he?  Was there any practical long distance flight that was cost effective in his time or not?

 

 

Blériot faced many feasibility problems when he was developing his aircraft and attempting his historic flight across the English Channel in 1909. At that time, the technology and knowledge of aviation were still in their early stages, and many aspects of building and flying an airplane had not yet been fully understood.

Blériot's successful flight across the English Channel was a significant achievement in the early history of aviation, but it did not immediately lead to cost-effective long-distance flight. In fact, it would be several decades before long-distance commercial air travel became a reality.

In the early 20th century, aviation was primarily used for military purposes and for the exploration of the new technology, rather than for practical transportation. However, as airplane technology continued to improve, and as more advanced materials and designs were developed, long-distance air travel became increasingly practical and cost-effective.

Today, air travel is a commonplace and essential means of transportation, connecting people and businesses across the globe. However, this was not always the case, and it took many years of development and refinement for aviation to become the reliable, efficient, and cost-effective industry that it is today.

 

And the novelty of doing this is wearing off. Just go enter your prompts there: https://chat.openai.com/chat

[The_annoying_one]

2 minutes ago, Insipid said:And the novelty of doing this is wearing off. Just go enter your prompts there: https://chat.openai.com/chat

Seriously, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to you, but it might be time to stop playing tour guide to Packard.

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

5 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Blériot faced many feasibility problems when he was developing his aircraft and attempting his historic flight across the English Channel in 1909. At that time, the technology and knowledge of aviation were still in their early stages, and many aspects of building and flying an airplane had not yet been fully understood.

Blériot's successful flight across the English Channel was a significant achievement in the early history of aviation, but it did not immediately lead to cost-effective long-distance flight. In fact, it would be several decades before long-distance commercial air travel became a reality.

In the early 20th century, aviation was primarily used for military purposes and for the exploration of the new technology, rather than for practical transportation. However, as airplane technology continued to improve, and as more advanced materials and designs were developed, long-distance air travel became increasingly practical and cost-effective.

Today, air travel is a commonplace and essential means of transportation, connecting people and businesses across the globe. However, this was not always the case, and it took many years of development and refinement for aviation to become the reliable, efficient, and cost-effective industry that it is today.

 

And the novelty of doing this is wearing off. Just go enter your prompts there: https://chat.openai.com/chat

Technology on many things has been improved over time, because the initial effort to bring them into existence had not been pigeonholed and when other people saw them, they said, "Hey, I can do it better!"

Edited February 18, 2023 by Walter Von Moo Moo

[Insipid]

1 minute ago, The_annoying_one said:

Seriously, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to you,

Lies, if you wanna be an ass own up to it.

[The_annoying_one]

1 minute ago, Insipid said:

Lies, if you wanna be an ass own up to it.

Or I was just paying you a compliment. But whatever.

[Insipid]

Just now, The_annoying_one said:

Or I was just paying you a compliment. But whatever.

Oh, in that case I apologize. I have a tendency to take things the wrong way. Oh well.

This has proven to be a useful exercise though, and I have heard people are testing AI generators in response to trolls anyway.

[Insipid]

10 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Technology on many things has been improved over time, because the initial effort to bring them into existence had not been pigeonholed and when other people saw them, they said, "Hey, I can do it better!"

About technology, I still don't think you've realized this yet, but all of my posts to you in the past few hours have been AI generated.

Go bother AI with your shit. See if you can get them to malfunction with your shit logic. I have faith in you.

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

3 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Oh, in that case I apologize. I have a tendency to take things the wrong way. Oh well.

This has proven to be a useful exercise though, and I have heard people are testing AI generators in response to trolls anyway.

Your AI only seems to be saying that if something is difficult or expensive or has too many unknowns, it's not worth pursuing.

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

1 minute ago, Insipid said:

About technology, I still don't think you've realized this yet, but all of my posts to you in the past few hours have been AI generated.

Go bother AI with your shit. See if you can get them to malfunction with your shit logic. I have faith in you.

Yes, you're letting a video game answer for you.  

[André Toulon]

32 minutes ago, The_annoying_one said:

Or I was just paying you a compliment. But whatever.

Benji has just become a weird creature of angst and passive aggression. He not even a month ago lauded Packard for getting people to respond to him only to become the only person left still responding to Packard.

I'm almost thinking he's given his account to another former troll because Benji has never come off this weird before, but he's innocuous enough that there's no point in getting into a thing with him

[1pooh4u]

23 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Your AI only seems to be saying that if something is difficult or expensive or has too many unknowns, it's not worth pursuing.

That’s not what it said. It said that are some of the obstacles tech research can face. 

 

26 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Yes, you're letting a video game answer for you.  

And it owned you. 

[Insipid]

15 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

Benji has just become a weird creature of angst and passive aggression. He not even a month ago lauded Packard for getting people to respond to him only to become the only person left still responding to Packard.

I'm almost thinking he's given his account to another former troll because Benji has never come off this weird before, but he's innocuous enough that there's no point in getting into a thing with him

Uh . . . whatever. I was just excited to try using ChatGPT here. I know better than to argue against your adamant thoughts, so.

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

15 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

That’s not what it said. It said that are some of the obstacles tech research can face. 

 

And it owned you. 

Ask it specifically what is in here.

 

[André Toulon]

3 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Uh . . . whatever. I was just excited to try using ChatGPT here. I know better than to argue against your adamant thoughts, so.

Cool

[atomicinumatt]

14 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Ask it specifically what is in here.

 

You can write a few hundred lines of code in python and build a DNN to do image recognition and classification.. that problem is pretty well established in data science. 

[1pooh4u]

16 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Ask it specifically what is in here.

 

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

Just now, atomicinumatt said:

You can write a few hundred lines of code in python and build a DNN to do image recognition and classification.. that problem is pretty well established in data science. 

So, do it.

 

The content could be anything at all.  Let this thing take a guess at it, but until it opens the box, it won't really know.

[atomicinumatt]

Well is chatGPT even an image classifier? I thought it was an NLP model? 

Edited February 18, 2023 by atomicinumatt

[atomicinumatt]

Also, it is not good to post pictures of your moms box on the internet.. 

[1pooh4u]

This is just Packard’s infantile way of discrediting the answers provided by an AI cuz it doesn’t also have Xray vision. Real dumb ass ridiculous shit. 

[atomicinumatt]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

This is just Packard’s infantile way of discrediting the answers provided by an AI cuz it doesn’t also have Xray vision. Real dumb ass ridiculous shit. 

Them damn AI's derk er derb!

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

This is just Packard’s infantile way of discrediting the answers provided by an AI cuz it doesn’t also have Xray vision. Real dumb ass ridiculous shit. 

Or, it's just going to guess, judging only by similar boxes found already on the web, which is the general pattern it exhibits.

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

7 minutes ago, atomicinumatt said:

Also, it is not good to post pictures of your moms box on the internet.. 

Is it my picture at all?

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

9 minutes ago, atomicinumatt said:

Well is chatGPT even an image classifier? I thought it was an NLP model? 

It looks like a talking point regurgitater to me.

[atomicinumatt]

Just now, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

Or, it's just going to guess, judging only by similar boxes found already on the web, which is the general pattern it exhibits.

It does not guess and It does not 'know' anything. 

It is activation functions that capture nonliterary and probability weights that adjust themselves as it loops through training epochs until it converges. 

Probability and linear algebra.. 

[Walter Von Moo Moo]

1 minute ago, atomicinumatt said:

It does not guess and It does not 'know' anything. 

It is activation functions that capture nonliterary and probability weights that adjust themselves as it loops through training epochs until it converges. 

Probability and linear algebra.. 

So, when the same box is posted elsewhere on the web along with a statement that it contains a bubble gum card, that's all the AI will answer with.  Nevermind any of what's actually inside.  

[atomicinumatt]

7 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said:

So, when the same box is posted elsewhere on the web along with a statement that it contains a bubble gum card, that's all the AI will answer with.  Nevermind any of what's actually inside.  

You flip a fair coin once. 

All you can say before it lands is that there is a Bernoulli random variable for whether the coin will be heads or tails. 

It is probability, and is the most you can say. 

It is not a guess nor is it knowing.  

Edited February 18, 2023 by atomicinumatt