ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) that's a part of the covid relief bill that that's got pass today if you are illegally streamed anytime copyrigthed Material without permission it's a 10 year prison sentence now YouTube is up in arms about it how would this could be the death of YouTube for the most part when there's people like me who vlog we don't show footage but I think it's a necessary evil for now can all challenge this stuff in court later but it needed pass then yeah I don't like it Edited December 22, 2020 by ghostrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 If I read it correctly, it's only illegal for those supplying the stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nameraka said: If I read it correctly, it's only illegal for those supplying the stream. yeah but YouTubers like movie reviewers need a show footage for fair use etc etcbut that sort of causes like people SF debris ,and others up in arms Edited December 22, 2020 by ghostrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, nameraka said: If I read it correctly, it's only illegal for those supplying the stream. yes not the viewer but the person providing the stream ie Channel how about movie and video game review channels huh how would they make their living now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) good tbh some ppls' channels you know would be nothing without copyrighted material. Like reviewers who def don't even have a brain and just give a terrible synopsis of the entire plot while showing like all the major parts of a movie but chopped up into little bits and out of order to try and make it seem like they're doing something more than just showing the movie and while putting it into their own words. I don't watch a ton of movie reviewers on yt so I can't give any specific examples but I know it when I see it 10 years maybe extreme but hey everyone pirates porn without legalizing escorting so fuck infringers Edited December 22, 2020 by Poof 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberbully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 This is a major blow to the analysis of scifi by ghestrek community 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 minute ago, cyberbully said: This is a major blow to the analysis of scifi by ghestrek community no I do not show footage so does not apply to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Poof said: good tbh some ppls' channels you know would be nothing without copyrighted material. Like reviewers who def don't even have a brain and just give a terrible synopsis of the entire plot while showing like all the major parts of a movie but chopped up into little bits and out of order to try and make it seem like they're doing something more than just showing the movie and while putting it into their own words. I don't watch a ton of movie reviewers on yt so I can't give any specific examples but I know it when I see it 10 years maybe extreme but hey everyone pirates porn without legalizing escorting so fuck infringers it apply to let's players also aren't you trying to be a let's player tiwhich is up in arms about this also @Poof Edited December 22, 2020 by ghostrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberbully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, ghostrek said: no I do not show footage so does not apply to me Yes...that's how sarcasm works 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ghostrek said: it apply to let's players also aren't you trying to be a let's player tiwhich is up in arms about this also @Poof if it does apply now it's just not going to apply in practice for streaming games since streaming is such a boon to the gaming industry. Idk how it will be bypassed whether it's just not enforced on lets players or if game studios do a release of certain broadcasting rights of gameplay footage for all their games or if the law is changed/interpreted to not apply to gaming somehow. Somehow it won't end up applying to gaming. Like twitch is owned by Amazon the most monstrous corporation of our time. Lets players and the industry itself will all make noise and lobby against the law for games. And that's how it will be Like streaming copyrighted music over your gameplay is technically illegal and twitch pretty much only ever bothers their most popular top partner level streamers about it. If you're anybody else, the most that will happen is that your past broadcast videos will get the audio muted. A few ppl might get in trouble and made example of during the transitional phase of all this but most likely charges will be dropped or greatly reduced. And then nobody after that will get in trouble. Unless they're like streaming leaked gameplay footage w/like an early copy of the game they're not supposed to have yet. Or they're a closed beta tester who signed a NDA And yea I do twitch but I've only ever spent money on it. I've probably dropped somewhere between $500-1000 on subs and tips to other streamers and only ever made $5.57 for myself on there. So if twitch ever went bye-bye it would suck since I like it but it would only help my bank account tbh Edited December 22, 2020 by Poof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Poof said: if it does apply now it's just not going to apply in practice for streaming games since streaming is such a boon to the gaming industry. Idk how it will be bypassed whether it's just not enforced on lets players or if game studios do a release of certain broadcasting rights of gameplay footage for all their games or if the law is changed/interpreted to not apply to gaming somehow. Somehow it won't end up applying to gaming. Like twitch is owned by Amazon the most monstrous corporation of our time. Lets players and the industry itself will all make noise and lobby against the law for games. And that's how it will be Like streaming copyrighted music over your gameplay is technically illegal and twitch pretty much only ever bothers their most popular top partner level streamers about it. If you're anybody else, the most that will happen is that your past broadcast videos will get the audio muted. A few ppl might get in trouble and made example of during the transitional phase of all this but most likely charges will be dropped or greatly reduced. And then nobody after that will get in trouble. Unless they're like streaming leaked gameplay footage w/like an early copy of the game they're not supposed to have yet. Or they're a closed beta tester who signed a NDA And yea I do twitch but I've only ever spent money on it. I've probably dropped somewhere between $500-1000 on subs and tips to other streamers and only ever made $5.57 for myself on there. So if twitch ever went bye-bye it would suck since I like it but it would only help my bank account tbh well the main thing I'm understanding it's illegal streaming I e of move TV show someone uploading a whole movie like like the upcoming Ghostbusters afterlife then yes it is going to be taken down by doing reviews and showing footage is most likely going to be applied the same way some respect but we're not sure right now that's the scary part @Poof Edited December 22, 2020 by ghostrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ghostrek said: that's a part of the covid relief bill that that's got pass today if you are illegally streamed anytime copyrigthed Material without permission it's a 10 year prison sentence now YouTube is up in arms about it how would this could be the death of YouTube for the most part when there's people like me who vlog we don't show footage but I think it's a necessary evil for now can all challenge this stuff in court later but it needed pass then yeah I don't like it I see you're a law and order type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 Just now, scoobdog said: I see you're a law and order type. kinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satou Kazuma Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Poof said: good tbh some ppls' channels you know would be nothing without copyrighted material. Like reviewers who def don't even have a brain and just give a terrible synopsis of the entire plot while showing like all the major parts of a movie but chopped up into little bits and out of order to try and make it seem like they're doing something more than just showing the movie and while putting it into their own words. I don't watch a ton of movie reviewers on yt so I can't give any specific examples but I know it when I see it 10 years maybe extreme but hey everyone pirates porn without legalizing escorting so fuck infringers you say that but yet you're also getting the short end of the stick for your presence in social media too. https://www.xbiz.com/news/256391/senators-propose-far-reaching-new-adult-industry-regulations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Satou Kazuma said: you say that but yet you're also getting the short end of the stick for your presence in social media too. https://www.xbiz.com/news/256391/senators-propose-far-reaching-new-adult-industry-regulations some of them might be fair this to say but revenge porn is technically wrong Edited December 23, 2020 by ghostrek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Satou Kazuma said: you say that but yet you're also getting the short end of the stick for your presence in social media too. https://www.xbiz.com/news/256391/senators-propose-far-reaching-new-adult-industry-regulations this is terrible for tubesites. Mindgeek is evil and responsible for stealing the work of pretty much every single pornographer in existence. Any site I'm making money off of / hired me for a shoot, I already have to verify all that. So this really only hurts tubesites which are just pirates. I love this law. The 24 hotline might be a bit much for small studios who only have a few models but if that requirement remains and is enforced and can't be automated like if it has to be staffed by humans, then I imagine the industry will start a business that will staff hotlines for smaller studios for a fee. Or studios where every model has consented and random users don't upload content could be exempt from that requirement maybe. And if it means I can't post nudity on twitter anymore, that's absolutely fine for me. Then I can not show everything except for on websites where I'm making money. And if ppl pressure me I can be like "Welp I can't show u everything here on twitter, you'll have to go to my clip store" Pretty much how facebook and instagram are now. I'd be fine with that. And don't come in with a "piracy is publicity" argument. That's 110% bullshit. Porn girls were still super famous and got paid at least like 5x as much per scene in the 90s during the golden age before piracy was so unlimited. Like you realize average porn girls do solo shoots for like $250 right? In the 90s that same solo might be like $1000-1500 bc pornographers could actually SELL their product instead of give it away for free to 98% of the viewers. That you think I wouldn't like this law just goes to show how disconnected viewers are to the needs of the ppl who actually do the real work to produce porn. You're also not the first non-performer who hit me up thinking I would hate this Edited December 23, 2020 by Poof 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, ghostrek said: well the main thing I'm understanding it's illegal streaming I e of move TV show someone uploading a whole movie like like the upcoming Ghostbusters afterlife then yes it is going to be taken down by doing reviews and showing footage is most likely going to be applied the same way some respect but we're not sure right now that's the scary part @Poof But you said you don't use footage you just do a real honest review. Showing the movie is a crutch for bad reviewers. So this will only hurt channels that you compete with that are sleazy and have an unfair advantage over you. So it shouldn't be scary for you at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Poof said: But you said you don't use footage you just do a real honest review. Showing the movie is a crutch for bad reviewers. So this will only hurt channels that you compete with that are sleazy and have an unfair advantage over you. So it shouldn't be scary for you at all well I do know people that do show footage in there reviews as a reviewer myself I would need to come time to time to make my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satou Kazuma Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 small minded that you only think of tube sites and not of those who self promote themselves on certain platforms. this twitter thread does a better job of explaining the impact of this bill if it gets pass. https://twitter.com/acvalens/status/1340338322326106112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Satou Kazuma said: small minded that you only think of tube sites and not of those who self promote themselves on certain platforms. this twitter thread does a better job of explaining the impact of this bill if it gets pass. https://twitter.com/acvalens/status/1340338322326106112 are you motherfucking kidding me? small minded? You have no understanding of the situation whatsoever and you haven't been thinking and reading about the state of internet porn for over a decade. I'm pretty sure your livelihood hasn't depended on it either. I read every FSC and XBIZ newsletter I get. If you think the actual pornographers wouldn't massively benefit if that exact law passed as is, and then have the audacity to call me small minded. Wow. Just. Wow. Think about it. Outlawing pirated porn? FINALLY ACTUALLY OUTLAWING PIRATED PORN. Seriously. I could still promote on social media. The same way performers do on instagram and facebook which already don't allow pornographic content. You can only put soft/non-nude stuff. I could even promote without any images hosted on the social media site whatsoever. I could just be like "Yo new video on my site, go check it out" and put a link to the promo hosted on the studio's or my own site or clipstore. Simple. Not the end of the world. The free range social media internet would be like free chat and the pay sites that can easily verify models (which they already do) would be like private chat. That would be amazing for business. And following these rules wouldn't be hard if you're running a legit studio. Except the hotline one but again I'm sure this would be outsourced to a specialty company making it no more than another cost of doing business. Business that would absolutely increase massively. I couldn't care less about the GoneWild subreddit like this twitter thread complains about. Or tubesites or whatever any little "community" on the web out there sharing porn that inevitably has tons of pirated content / revenge porn / underage porn / etc on it bc they dgaf. And yes revenge porn and sharing nudes w/o permission is evil so nah idc about ppl doing that either. And I really don't care about sluts who are just giving their nudes away on social media either. Let them share their nudes on messengers, email, private/direct message on the site, or their own personal site if they want. I don't really give a fuck. There's a reason I only personally produced one dvd (meaning I starred in, organized, and co-directed the project and took % of sales in the deal w/our distributor instead of getting paid a lump sum for modeling). 3 days after the dvd dropped we had 50 download sales and sold 1 hard copy sale meanwhile it had already been viewed over 250,000 times on one tubesite alone. So no I really don't care about the janky indie DIY porn scenes. If bitches want to make money to be sluts they can just go do porn. Stop fishing for paypal tips on GoneWild and get the fuck out of the house and do a porn. You'll do waaaay better I promise. I want tubesites gone and I want sites to be liable for hosting content that they shouldn't be hosting. So yes I love this law. I'm not being small minded at all. And how and why did she bring up OnlyFans? OnlyFans already has to verify you and get consent like any other paysite. Wtf? Could the law be written better? YES. The hotline is rather unreasonable. The whole thing is far from ideal. But you don't understand how desperate the porn industry is for the law to finally protect our content. Like I would be so very, very happy if it passed even tho it's not ideal. I would actually try producing features (DVDs) again. If we don't get some kind of protection, I'm absolutely never ever producing another feature myself again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberbully Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 15 hours ago, ghostrek said: well I do know people that do show footage in there reviews as a reviewer myself I would need to come time to time to make my point Lol, so you're scared you won't get the chance to be a sleazy youtuber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satou Kazuma Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 So you being a "professional" stuck in the old ways of straight to dvd vs other performers who are "sluts" who are open minded and expanding their brand through social media and other means. Sure, ok, not like these other performers also direct their own films and also side hustle their brand. Also not like they're totally into having a database of their history for each and every product they ever produce. No wonder you constantly bemoaned about your sugar daddies on these boards, which by the way, one of the earliest form of social media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Satou Kazuma said: So you being a "professional" stuck in the old ways of straight to dvd vs other performers who are "sluts" who are open minded and expanding their brand through social media and other means. Sure, ok, not like these other performers also direct their own films and also side hustle their brand. Also not like they're totally into having a database of their history for each and every product they ever produce. No wonder you constantly bemoaned about your sugar daddies on these boards, which by the way, one of the earliest form of social media. The only ppl I called sluts are ones who give away nudes and don't monetize at all. A SLUT not a WHORE. Idc if they can't upload their nudes to social media when all they want is attention and don't need $$$ and aren't doing it for work. I'm obviously not stuck in the old ways. I just fucking said I tried producing a feature myself once and didn't do it again bc that sucks anymore. So wtf how could I be stuck in "old ways"? I'm literally on social media as we speak doing my thing. Where the fuck u think I meet my sugar daddies? And yes, if you are on onlyfans chaturbate or any other paysite then your identity is verified and you have signed forms digitally already. You have to upload your drivers license. That's how it is right now. The database in the law is like a do-not-call list. If you are a victim of revenge porn you can automatically opt out of consenting. So anyone who hosts your images would be doing so without consent and get in trouble. Doesn't pertain to me or sex workers. That's just for revenge porn victims. But sure let's say you are a whore who doesn't want to ever use a paysite. So you take paypal, cashapp, and amazon giftcards. All 3 of those organizations know what you're doing. They just do. You can't hide it. They have your ID verified. Paypal banned my identity from their platform bc they just knew I was doing webcam. The social media companies know what you're doing and you post the links to your payment so the trail is there. It's out there in databases already. Your real name is flagged as a whore somewhere. The only way to be truly anonymous is to take crypto and you're still most likely showing your face. Only you're now in the realm of having no copyright and no one owns the copyright. So you have no power to take those videos down, ever. You can't do DMCA takedowns. No power over your content. And with tubesites hosting your videos into perpetuity there's much greater chance of someone you meet recognizing you and being like hey I watched you stretch out your butthole. Then maybe they expose you somehow. And you have no power over the content. Still think this is the sex worker friendly option? If you did a paysite under this law, you have copyright over all your videos. If you wanted to exit sex work, you could have the law keep your videos from being shared and replayed forever. But if you want to be an anonymous sex worker? Ok now let's get to taxes. Where's this income coming from missy? You're still gonna have to report it somehow. You want to be a money launderer now too? You can do that but that's how it is. And this option will still be there if the law passed. Like I said it's like one more added hoop to selling content this way. You can put all the links and censored images you want on social media. Just put your explicits on your own site. I'm getting real tired of holding your hand thru this. You. Have. No. Idea. What. You. Are. Talking. About. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satou Kazuma Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 You be you. The majority of the porn industry opposed this bill. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://www.dailydot.com/debug/sisea-internet-porn/ Also nice of you to send me a pm just to curse at me when you could've done it in ghostrek's thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Satou Kazuma said: You be you. The majority of the porn industry opposed this bill. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://www.dailydot.com/debug/sisea-internet-porn/ Also nice of you to send me a pm just to curse at me when you could've done it in ghostrek's thread. I didn't want to sully Ghostrek's thread any more than I already have just bc you're being a jerk and explaining to me how my business works and how I need to be so grateful for social media that I should oppose copyright and consent enforcement. Paysites already do everything except the hotline. 2257 regulations require consent forms, ID and age verification for anyone appearing in a video. You have to provide a physical address and contact information for this record holder. These records have to be made available to any federal inspector immediately upon request at any time. If you don't make w/the records, you're breaking the law. So the government can already get any performer's info even without a warrant or existence of an investigation. So the hotline is the only new regulation put on legit pornographers. I explained how the hotline wouldn't be the end of the world either. There are companies you can pay to be your 2257 record holder. There would be companies that could staff your hotline (tho interestingly enough the actual text of the law does not state that this hotline has to be staffed by a human). No full nude or hardcore porn on social media only hurts ppl after free porn. Like I said if I'm forced to cover up on social media, it will only further entice ppl to pay to see all the goods. And since this law would obliterate tubesites and pirate communities, it would only help me. I've been talking to all my porn friends about this since you've brought it up and they either never heard of it or they have no idea whats actually in it. Any actual pornographer against this either doesn't understand it or they're having a knee jerk reaction after the previous FOSTA/SESTA laws. This one seriously would help the real porn industry. You've demonstrated zero understanding and you seem to think the only way to promote sex work is with nudity on social media. You refuse to acknowledge how I explained to you how you could host your nudes on your own site and link to that from your social media. Whilst only posting clothed/censored content on the social media platform itself. Instagram and facebook are already like this. So explain to me exactly why this is a poor tradeoff when the upside is bringing down the pirates who have decimated the industry for over two decades completely unchecked? Also... aside from the extra stuff like the database and hotline, really almost all this law does is make tubesites and any site that hosts porn follow all the rules that studios already have to follow which seems really fair to me Edited December 24, 2020 by Poof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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