"The Schedule Adjustment is great for toonami and it's fans"

[CountFrylock]

basically what one of the toonami subreddit mods told me because and i quote "This Just Makes It More affordable and sustainable"

do you agree or disagree with this statement? because it seems to be the statement that people make in defense of Demarco's decisions on the block

[The1gairon]

I depends on why they're saying that. What is their reasoning? That it will open more free time for the fans to do something else like sleep or something?

[CountFrylock]

20 minutes ago, elfie said:

I depends on why they're saying that. What is their reasoning? That it will open more free time for the fans to do something else like sleep or something?

if i had to take a guess they probably see this as good for the fans because the block will continue to exist this way without fear of going over budget

they don't feel like the block will be stale this way and that thinking this move will make toonami feel any more stale than it has been is just an opinion not a fact

[HardcoreHunter]

I think it's to be expected. Most of the block has either hit it's final or reached the final episode for it's season DBS, MHA, one punch man, Dr stone, and fire force are done or down to the wire. I didn't expect toonami to license a handful of new shows at once. 

[CountFrylock]

1 minute ago, HardcoreHunter said:

I think it's to be expected. Most of the block has either hit it's final or reached the final episode for it's season DBS, MHA, one punch man, Dr stone, and fire force are done or down to the wire. I didn't expect toonami to license a handful of new shows at once. 

Yeah but SAO isn't exactly a show that will make up for not having another new addition to the block until several months from now....

we already have too many shows that have sequel/additional seasons in the works so fewer slots means the block's quite predictable now and we can all probably guess what will be on it sooner or later due to that

 

 

[HardcoreHunter]

1 minute ago, CountFrylock said:

Yeah but SAO isn't exactly a show that will make up for not having another new addition to the block until several months from now....

we already have too many shows that have sequel/additional seasons in the works so fewer slots means the block's quite predictable now and we can all probably guess what will be on it sooner or later due to that

 

 

I think they should get Konosuba already. Maybe it would get crunchy to get off their ass already and dub season 2 of it in english. I could see them adding plunderer since it's having a kinda trigun vibe to it. More realistically though they'll probably go with Darwin's Game for the sake of having an edgy show. 

[CountFrylock]

this whole situation has made me  think....are we close to the point where we won't really feel like we're missing much if we stop watching toonami entirely and switch to streaming?

the community vibe doesn't really matter to me if it's just discussing the same couple shows for most of the year with little to no new additions

hell with fewer slots they have less of a reason to try something new when they could revisit something fans already know  so doubts Konosuba or darwin's  game will air

Edited February 8, 2020 by CountFrylock

[HardcoreHunter]

It depends on the cost. Like showing a rerun of MHA or opm will cost the same as getting a new license, so it makes more sense to show something new-ish. Because of DVR and streaming its far more difficult to cash in on reruns than it used to be. I remember back when a show could be rerun on ASA for years without much change in the schedule. Times and licensing agreements have changed though and they can't get by with reruns like in the past. 

[The1gairon]

16 minutes ago, HardcoreHunter said:

I think they should get Konosuba already. Maybe it would get crunchy to get off their ass already and dub season 2 of it in english. I could see them adding plunderer since it's having a kinda trigun vibe to it. More realistically though they'll probably go with Darwin's Game for the sake of having an edgy show. 

Whole S2 characters have had their voices DUBBED in Isekai Quartet before S2 proper ever got itself a dub! THat said, I do remember that they did dub season 2.

[HardcoreHunter]

Just now, elfie said:

Whole S2 characters have had their voices DUBBED in Isekai Quartet before S2 proper ever got itself a dub! THat said, I do remember that they did dub season 2.

Yeah it's dubbed in every language except english. They're keep saying that they're working on it. Russia and France have had their Dub out for over a year now, and a Spanish dub was released in the summer. I don't get what the hold up is with the english dub. 

[CountFrylock]

2 minutes ago, HardcoreHunter said:

It depends on the cost. Like showing a rerun of MHA or opm will cost the same as getting a new license, so it makes more sense to show something new-ish. Because of DVR and streaming its far more difficult to cash in on reruns than it used to be. I remember back when a show could be rerun on ASA for years without much change in the schedule. Times and licensing agreements have changed though and they can't get by with reruns like in the past. 

i don't mean reruns i just mean sequels/additional seasons we have many shows on the block that will return with a new season/sequel in the works

[The1gairon]

Just now, HardcoreHunter said:

Yeah it's dubbed in every language except english. They're keep saying that they're working on it. Russia and France have had their Dub out for over a year now, and a Spanish dub was released in the summer. I don't get what the hold up is with the english dub. 

This is fuckin hilarious.

[CountFrylock]

all in all...so far 2020 has not been too kind to toonami if ya ask me....and I've really noticed people on reddit doing their best to damage control the situation by saying this happens all the time and this isn't a negative for toonami

[The1gairon]

2 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

all in all...so far 2020 has not been too kind to toonami if ya ask me....and I've really noticed people on reddit doing their best to damage control the situation by saying this happens all the time and this isn't a negative for toonami

They're right. We had the revived block shorten like twice already and it always rebounded.

[CountFrylock]

2 minutes ago, elfie said:

They're right. We had the revived block shorten like twice already and it always rebounded.

Yeah But HBOMax Wasn't a thing then And WarnerMedia wasn't as crazy about streaming services as they are now

Streaming has become far more of a threat to toonami due to WarnerMedia wanting an entire pie to themselves of this whole streaming thing

 

Edited February 8, 2020 by CountFrylock

[HardcoreHunter]

8 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

i don't mean reruns i just mean sequels/additional seasons we have many shows on the block that will return with a new season/sequel in the works

Nothing that would be available this year. Dr stone has nothing, Fire force has nothing, DBS has nothing, MHA has nothing, Attack on titan has nothing, OPM has nothing, etc. I can't think of a show that is airing that has more seasons in the works aside from Boruto. 

[CountFrylock]

11 minutes ago, HardcoreHunter said:

Nothing that would be available this year. Dr stone has nothing, Fire force has nothing, DBS has nothing, MHA has nothing, Attack on titan has nothing, OPM has nothing, etc. I can't think of a show that is airing that has more seasons in the works aside from Boruto. 

could it be possible we just have a pretty dry year for the most part? i don't see toonami having the cash to just buy a bunch of new licenses for never before seen shows on the block unless they are super cheap

(this isn't a case where every show costs the same amount obviously which is why i state this)

 

Edited February 8, 2020 by CountFrylock

[HardcoreHunter]

3 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

could it be possible we just have a pretty dry year for the most part? i don't see toonami having the cash to just buy a bunch of new licenses for never before seen shows on the block unless they are super cheap

 

Konosuba came out in 2017 so I wouldn't call it "new". I don't know who they have actually negotiating the deals, but it feels like they suck at their job. On older shows they should be really doing the license holder more of a favor by advertising their old IP; not get price gouged for the privilege. 

[CountFrylock]

why does it feel like toonami going over budget is inevitable instead of just a possibility? it's like someone spends most of the funds at the casino or something and then blames it on the block

it's been like 8 years since toonami returned(right?)and it still seems like the place is run like some low  grade peanut  gallery that doesn't know anything about business or how to make and finalize deals

[EmpressAngel]

1 hour ago, HardcoreHunter said:

DBS, MHA, one punch man, Dr stone, and fire force are done or down to the wire.

They played episode 11 out of 25 for MHA last week. The hell are you talking about it being down to the wire?

[HardcoreHunter]

2 minutes ago, EmpressAngel said:

They played episode 11 out of 25 for MHA last week. The hell are you talking about it being down to the wire?

3 1/2 months is a long run to you? We must perceive time differently. 

[HardcoreHunter]

28 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

why does it feel like toonami going over budget is inevitable instead of just a possibility? it's like someone spends most of the funds at the casino or something and then blames it on the block

it's been like 8 years since toonami returned(right?)and it still seems like the place is run like some low  grade peanut  gallery that doesn't know anything about business or how to make and finalize deals

Could be money laundering for tax reasons. Reporting a loss protects you from a lot of taxes. Is it a coincidence that they're saying that they are over budget right as tax season starts? 

[CountFrylock]

18 minutes ago, HardcoreHunter said:

Could be money laundering for tax reasons. Reporting a loss protects you from a lot of taxes. Is it a coincidence that they're saying that they are over budget right as tax season starts? 

so Jason Demarco is the head of Mattress Firm?

honestly the weirdest part is  on reddit someone brought up how not that long ago demarco claimed toonami was pretty cheap to run currently and then now he says it's too expensive to operate without major cuts

so something strange is  going on

Edited February 8, 2020 by CountFrylock

[The1gairon]

It may be my insomnia (the reason I couldn't stay for Jojo last week and why I haven't been active here as much), but I think I've grown mature enough not to panic over this. I told myself in 2012 that when Toonami ended again, I wouldn't get upset like I did in 2008. That only brought more misery in my life. I'll keep in touch with friends here on other sites, and drawing the fan comic really made being a fan worth it.

[Blatch]

13 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

this whole situation has made me  think....are we close to the point where we won't really feel like we're missing much if we stop watching toonami entirely and switch to streaming?

the community vibe doesn't really matter to me if it's just discussing the same couple shows for most of the year with little to no new additions

I already kind of feel that way... but at the same time, I don't know if my indifference with Toonami and its community is because I'm unwilling to put in the effort to catch up the shows and interact with the community, my stubborn nature when it comes to watching anything new in general, or even mental health problems. It really sucks. Then there's the fact that this community feels stagnant, with seemingly fewer people coming here than ever. I wish I knew what I could do to help. 😕

As for the shortened schedule, it's going to be better for you if you don't care about an hour of reruns that can easily be watched elsewhere (save TPN, but that dub will soon be available on Blu-ray and maybe streaming soon anyway). I don't have much else to say about it. I also don't think 2020 is going to be a "down year" for the block when we have two new co-productions scheduled for this year and at least four more in the works that'll premiere at some point. Maybe this means they won't focus as much effort into acquisitions outside of lengthy shonen, which was the case for 2017 and most of '18, but we should wait a few months to judge that.

[StarPanda]

Naruto survives the cut yet again 

Believe It!!!

[OwlChemist81]

13 hours ago, HardcoreHunter said:

Nothing that would be available this year. Dr stone has nothing, Fire force has nothing, DBS has nothing, MHA has nothing, Attack on titan has nothing, OPM has nothing, etc. I can't think of a show that is airing that has more seasons in the works aside from Boruto. 

"Nothing that would be available this year...Fire Force has nothing"

What the HELL are you even talking about? Fire Force season 2 premieres in July, and last I checked, that IS this year!

I also STILL believe FFS1 will get the July 4th marathon this year, just with episodes 18-24 instead of 15-24, with the new season starting July 11th.

[Sketch]

15 hours ago, CountFrylock said:

this whole situation has made me  think....are we close to the point where we won't really feel like we're missing much if we stop watching toonami entirely and switch to streaming?

the community vibe doesn't really matter to me if it's just discussing the same couple shows for most of the year with little to no new additions

hell with fewer slots they have less of a reason to try something new when they could revisit something fans already know  so doubts Konosuba or darwin's  game will air

I would not recommend relying on Toonami as your primary source of anime in the streaming era. Only a handful of the dubs on it are entirely exclusive to the block.

Streaming services are granted far more resources than Toonami is. Toonami is a small part of a big corporation and anime production is not WarnerMedia’s bread and butter like it is for FUNimation, HiDive and Crunchyroll.

You’re basically pleading with Adult Swim to drip feed you 4+ hours of dubbed anime every week. If 3 hours doesn’t satisfy you enough, then I recommend you subscribe to FUNi or HiDive to see the latest dubbed anime. In the US we have thousands of anime streaming legally and many are free with ads.

As for the topic, I’m sure they mean a smaller block is likely to last longer. Whether a small block that lasts years is more preferable to a larger block that burns out sooner is somewhat debatable. Personally, I think it’s better for Toonami to stick around longer because it’s the last bastion of action and drama animation on US television. I consider that more important than it being a small source of anime.

Edited February 8, 2020 by Sketch

[The1gairon]

33 minutes ago, Sketch said:

I would not recommend relying on Toonami as your primary source of anime in the streaming era. Only a handful of the dubs on it are entirely exclusive to the block.

Streaming services are granted far more resources than Toonami is. If 3 hours of drip fed anime isn’t enough for you, go find some more.

But Toonami is far and away the place to watch the MOST POPULAR shonen anime dubs in America.

[HardcoreHunter]

1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

"Nothing that would be available this year...Fire Force has nothing"

What the HELL are you even talking about? Fire Force season 2 premieres in July, and last I checked, that IS this year!

I also STILL believe FFS1 will get the July 4th marathon this year, just with episodes 18-24 instead of 15-24, with the new season starting July 11th.

Airing shows on toonami weeks after they aired in Japan isn't the norm for them. Depends on how much they're willing to spend. Other shows like One punch man aired 9 months after it aired in japan for season 1 and 6 months for season 2.  Shippuden is literal years behind Japan because they keep dropping it. The next milestone for it will be episode 339 which will be the first new english air date dub since 2016 on an epsiode that first aired in japan in 2013, and if they keep going at an episode a week we'll hit that in 1 year 5weeks. After that it'll only take 3 more years to actually finish the english air date releases. So by 2024 toonami may actually finish a series that ended in 2016. Then Boruto is over 2 years behind the Japanese release.  So it really depends on what it's worth to them to get fire force. 

[Sketch]

9 minutes ago, HardcoreHunter said:

Airing shows on toonami weeks after they aired in Japan isn't the norm for them. Depends on how much they're willing to spend. Other shows like One punch man aired 9 months after it aired in japan for season 1 and 6 months for season 2.  Shippuden is literal years behind Japan because they keep dropping it. The next milestone for it will be episode 339 which will be the first new english air date dub since 2016 on an epsiode that first aired in japan in 2013, and if they keep going at an episode a week we'll hit that in 1 year 5weeks. After that it'll only take 3 more years to actually finish the english air date releases. So by 2024 toonami may actually finish a series that ended in 2016. Then Boruto is over 2 years behind the Japanese release.  So it really depends on what it's worth to them to get fire force. 

While that’s true, it’s also just as likely they will be able to get Fire Force season 2 this year and practically guaranteed they will get AoT season 4 this Fall. I don’t know about Dr. Stone but it’s plausible for Fall. Neverland will wait until early 2021 given Aniplex’s track record.

[HardcoreHunter]

33 minutes ago, elfie said:

But Toonami is far and away the place to watch the MOST POPULAR shonen anime dubs in America.

Nah you can watch those weeks earlier on Funimation now dubbed. 

[CountFrylock]

2 hours ago, Sketch said:

I would not recommend relying on Toonami as your primary source of anime in the streaming era. Only a handful of the dubs on it are entirely exclusive to the block.

Streaming services are granted far more resources than Toonami is. Toonami is a small part of a big corporation and anime production is not WarnerMedia’s bread and butter like it is for FUNimation, HiDive and Crunchyroll.

You’re basically pleading with Adult Swim to drip feed you 4+ hours of dubbed anime every week. If 3 hours doesn’t satisfy you enough, then I recommend you subscribe to FUNi or HiDive to see the latest dubbed anime. In the US we have thousands of anime streaming legally and many are free with ads.

As for the topic, I’m sure they mean a smaller block is likely to last longer. Whether a small block that lasts years is more preferable to a larger block that burns out sooner is somewhat debatable. Personally, I think it’s better for Toonami to stick around longer because it’s the last bastion of action and drama animation on US television. I consider that more important than it being a small source of anime.

I simply don't want toonami to just be centered around the same handful of shows that rotate in and out with sequels/new seasons

 

[Sketch]

1 hour ago, HardcoreHunter said:

Nah you can watch those weeks earlier on Funimation now dubbed. 

Not in JoJo and Demon Slayer’s case but that’s true of 4 of their “premieres”

[Sketch]

1 minute ago, CountFrylock said:

I simply don't want toonami to just be centered around the same handful of shows that rotate in and out with sequels/new seasons

 

That’s fair but unless shows don’t get more seasons that’s an inevitable situation for every noteworthy new anime.

I’d say they should solve the space dilemma by ditching Shippuden and maybe Black Clover but that’s just my opinion.

[CountFrylock]

1 minute ago, Sketch said:

That’s fair but unless shows don’t get more seasons that’s an inevitable situation for every noteworthy new anime.

I’d say they should solve the space dilemma by ditching Shippuden and maybe Black Clover but that’s just my opinion.

at this point it  probably would be best to ditch Naruto Shippuden......

 

[Sketch]

I definitely would prefer 4 hours in the scenario that they have 2-3 long running series. The wiggle room is nice. I’d like to dedicate one slot to shows from the past 5 years that got passed over. But if they used the time effectively, 3 hours is plenty.

[CountFrylock]

just have to try and make the block as fresh as it can be....the last thing anyone wants is for the block to become stale due to it being the same stuff over and over and over and over again