fuggnificent Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Of course the letter says the premium is going down but when i actually sign up itll be higher just like last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 fuggz went down on Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 you can thank Trump for the increase this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 you can thank Trump for the increase this time To be fair, nobody knew healthcare was complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 To be fair, nobody knew healthcare was complicated. True, no one knew. :catlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 My premium from work went up. I wonder if it has something to do with Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Single payer health care system look it up... Actually I'll drop this link. We could've had that right? (maybe) but no Bernie got massively coc blocked by the competition idk. His semi-communist views or whatever I guess was most peoples problem with his plans. Ironically Obamacare is about the most communistic idea I'm aware of that's passed through the system, well that and a multitude of other finely tuned federal tax laws.. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 My premium from work went up. I wonder if it has something to do with Trump. Does your job get its insurance from the exchanges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Single payer health care system look it up... Actually I'll drop this link. We could've had that right? (maybe) but no Bernie got massively coc blocked by the competition idk. His semi-communist views or whatever I guess was most peoples problem with his plans. Ironically Obamacare is about the most communistic idea I'm aware of that's passed through the system, well that and a multitude of other finely tuned federal tax laws.. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer I agreed with Bernie on a few points of his platform, enough that I would have seriously considered voting for him in the election had he been an option. Would have certainly been a better option than Hillary. There are also some things which were a bit too far left for my personal tastes, his ideas on Healthcare isn't really one of them. Mainly because the ideal version he had in mind would not have happened, but I guarantee it would have ended up being a better and more stable plan then Obamacare or anything the Republicans have proposed. He's not even really semi-Communist. He's closer to a European style socialist, which I honestly don't know why people were freaking out over that label, they obviously aren't aware that we have many of the things already that he ran on changing, just really bad and ineffectual version of them. We've had Democratic-Socialist programs and Practices in this country for 80+ years now, but apparently everyone thinks Socialism = Red Flag Waving 1970s USSR.... which could not be further from the case. Look I very much am in favor of preserving American ideals and principles, but that doesn't mean we should not build on them in a way that makes sense and betters our society during the new modern age we live in where technology is quickly outpacing our government's ability to cope and adjust. We need to seriously do some introspection on what it is we value and why we value those things, rather than getting hysterical at group politics.... As it is, I voted for Gary Johnson during the election simply because I couldn't stomach Hillary and I could not bring myself to vote for Trump after some of the things he said about US Military Members, even though some of his platform was somewhat closer to what I would like (note I said somewhat, e.g. closer than the half-assed shit Hillary put out to look like she gave a fuck). That and the whole ambiguity around his pandering to homophobes and racists in the Republican primary left a bad taste in my mouth. I know why he did it, not saying that all republican fall under that category most don't, but there is a significant portion that shares some of those views which he needed to get on board in order to get elected. I don't honestly believe for a second that a man that's had more than 2 wives, owns huge strips of sin addled casinos, and hails from New York gives a damn about anything related to race or gays. But it was bad enough that I could not personally vote for him. Gary, wasn't perfect either, but I at least liked his intellectual approach to reason in his positions and his penchant for arguing from a factual place rather than starting from an emotional one. He ended up with 9 percent of the vote, I would have loved to see him actually make it into the National Debate, I think he would have destroyed Trump intellectually. Last years options were just abysmal, worse than any election I have ever voted in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I voted for Jill Stien for pretty much the same reason. I'll be honest I was working law enforcement and had to struggle to keep up with the twist in turns in that election so much that when I made the decison to vote for an underdog just cuz.. I read into her platform on unified environmental protection, and well I agreed with pretty much everything she said so I was like fuck it.. better than trying to decide who the lesser (demon) is.. I didn't even read into any of the other independant parties plans or listen to their low budget speech conferences at whatever place they could get into idk.. I pretty much voted just to say I did I least, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Philosipher_Stoned[/member] When you have a combined 3rd party vote of 5.1% nationally and 10% or more in some states then I think it is seriously time to consider giving one or more 3rd party national coverage at least in the national debates and town halls. Gary Johnson and Jill Stein had like 1 town hall each and only Johnson's was aired on more than one major network towards the end of prime time hours. The figure I gave earlier was in reference to pre-election polling of Johnson btw, not the actual results. But the point is upwards of 15% of the population would have been interested in voting for either Johnson or Stein as opposed to the other two and the top four 3rd party candidates all garnered well over 100,000 votes with Johnson and Stein taking home several million apiece is not a small number. It's the largest gather of votes by 3rd party since Ross Perot in 92 and 96 (nearly 18% in 92), and he had national coverage consistently throughout the entire election. If you can get to 15% national interest pre-election and 5% of the vote post-election that is nothing to scoff at. When you add in all of the 3rd party candidates and the some 300,000 write-ins (no joke 300,000 write-ins wtf!) it gets pretty damn close to 6% even. I just don't see when you have this many people saying we don't like these two options, these other guys are a better choice for our views, we don't give them a national platform to compete on. I mean we are a capitalist country after all, I don't see why it is a good thing for the Republican and Democrats to have an Oligopoly on political coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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