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That would be a serious exaggeration. Action cartoons are not thriving on those on-demand platforms. Voltron is the only real success story there besides maybe Troll Hunters (not sure on that one yet). In general children's content is struggling to find footing on Netflix. All that can be really said there is streaming hasn't abandoned action animation for children so far (neither has DXD) but they're not going out of their way to get many of them made. They just end up grabbing existing kids action shows that nobody else wanted. Things like the frog show that wants to be Avatar and the newest CGI King Kong cartoon sure aren't Voltron league. I definitely appreciate that streaming services are giving various kids action shows a venue but they're really not taking off to any significant degree. They're just being allowed to exist which is more than Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network will offer them.

LMAO Haven't you heard Zeni? The current generation of kids don't watch action cartoons. They're not even watching the 8pm airing of Super.

GATE and Overlord... popular? Future Diary is old news now man. We can talk Re: Zero whenever that gets dubbed.

The majority of the people who tune in for Toonami aren't the dedicated audience. The dedicated audience makes up maybe 1/3rd to a half of the audience the later the night gets. Toonami doesn't exist in a bubble. The casual audience is easily affected by how well comedy does in the hours leading up to Toonami and the casual audience is the difference between the 12:30 show getting 0.4 18-49 and 0.5 18-49. The further it is away from Family Guy the harder it is for the 12:30 show to do better than a 0.4 18-49. And if Family Guy can only manage 0.6 18-49 that night then even a Dragon Ball series probably wont get 0.6 following it but DBs retention following Family Guy is some of the best of any show airing on Adult Swim. Relative to the rest of cable, Toonami is doing well but cable is waaaay down from last year and Adult Swim in particular is between 15 and 19 percent down from last year despite remaining the top rated network with 18-49 in total day ratings.

ADULT SWIM 5D SATURDAYS (under 2009 general promos), a rare time when comedy and action were promoted together

Starting One Piece from the beginning can be pretty fun. There's some dry spots but it gets good faster than the other two IMO. Eventually you'll find that continuing One Piece feels like a slog even when you marathon it and will probably want to switch to the manga. Only watch certain fights of Naruto Shippuden in anime form. For the story read the manga. HxH starts slow, slower than I thought at first but it it get tremendously good and is the best adaptation of the three overall. IMO HxH is better as anime while One Piece and especially Shippuden are better as manga.

I honestly don't think I could even commit to watching Toonami on weeknights as much as I'd like to see that.

Well since this is the general thread... Allow me to resume 11PM HYPE What once seemed nearly impossible is actually happening. HOLY SHIT SON IT'S HAPPENING

I subbed in Fairy Tail instead of Shippuden one week. I might do that again.

I really doubt the 8PM Super is causing much damage. Unless Super dropped big time from Family Guy this week, there's no good reason to be concerned about a negative impact from the 8pm premieres. I will say though after a month I expected more from a power hour of Dragon Ball but it really just shows how far cable has fallen from the days when Family Guy would regularly break 2 million viewers. If this is the new norm, I guess it is what it is.

I sure hope Goku vs. Beerus round one brings in some ratings and the rest of a honestly largely action light Toonami will manage to hold onto those viewers.

Oh Ben, I guess you're just gonna have to keep trying to hurt Hunter x Hunter's feelings because it is here for at least two more years.

Well buckle up boys and girls, Toonami's heading into the great unknown of 11PM! Samurai Jack will lead the charge followed by Dragon Ball Super. And Ghost in the Shell (which returns this week) will be broadcast in HD. They're finally putting the 2004 tapes to rest.

Well since you're so convinced NOTHING HAS HAPPENED you'll be fine to pick up the show again in 3 weeks. You must at least be curious why so many people like the show and why it still regularly floats around the top 10 most popular shows on Crunchyroll despite it finishing in September of 2014. Just as I was curious why people still liked Fairy Tail, Bleach and Naruto Shippuden. Did you ever even watch Yu Yu Hakusho?

We'll see if I agree with all that whenever I get to those points but for now I'm keeping an open mind.

I've started Fairy Tail over for a group watch. I made it past the point I initially got bored of it and now I will honestly say, it's pretty entertaining once you get past Lullaby and Galuna Island. I've laughed, I've teared up and have largely enjoyed the ride. There's decent world building as well. It's innofensive and not frustrating to watch. I can see why it has a broad appeal. So I'm not going to trash it but I'd still rather not have it on Toonami unless it replaced Shippuden which is far more of a chore to sit through to get to the occasional good moment. On the other hand, someone who accepts the writing of SAO has no business insulting Togashi's writing.

That whole tirade was so overly dramatic Ben. Especially the part about you never forgiving the show for wasting your time. Insulting Togashi so much is quite uncalled for though. All I can say is this, I thoroughly enjoyed this series from York New until the end (that's about 108 episodes, we are a 3 episodes away from that arc) I won't say the arcs so far were never a slog. It does take its sweet time to ramp up. I expected Heaven's Arena to be better in this adaptation but it felt needlessly dragged out as well. By comparison the Hunter exam arc was a arguably more enjoyable. York New brings Kurapika to center stage and the violence kicks up several notches.

Yeah I meant peaked. It probably is more of a roller coaster overall but consider the most likely time people are going to tune out: at the ad breaks. Since Toonami only has one in the middle of the show and one after it ends.

Ah right, when they added Clone Wars the whole 12AM hour was action again not just 12:30.

Super's retention remains quite good, losing only about 100k 18-49 from Family Guy is superb. It's just too bad that Family Guy only pulled in a 0.6 18-49. My first suggestion would be to swap American Dad to 10:00pm. That would likely help build up that 10:30-11:30 hour of Family Guy. 9pm won't do as but it will probably benefit 10-11:30 enough to offset that. It would also match Sunday if R&M was 9-10. That would make Sat and Sun 9-11:30 identical. Right now 8-11 on Saturday is getting hammered by BBT on TBS but I guess they're willing to take that loss because Jack and the hour of Rick & Morty cost nothing to air. But we've seen how a weak start for AS PT on Saturday can affect Family Guy negatively which in turn keeps the whole night down. So as much as I like the current dial back on FOX on Saturday PT, it'd probably be better for Toonami if the R&M rerun hour left in favor of more FOX.

I've long wondered this and now with the music video ratings I can somewhat prove the theory. People are leaving during Naruto. Not just after but also during. The ratings we get to see are an average for that half hour. It is very likely the first half Naruto and even the first quarter is the highest rated part. Depending on the episode people taper off and leave during it. You could certainly argue the music video got people to leave as well but I think quite a lot of them were already gone by then. Having shows pique at the start, middle or end of an episode is probably pretty common. Looking at this week's ratings I'd estimate the following. - Gundam piqued early and dropped before the end. - HxH probably piqued late due to the conclusion of Hisoka vs Gon - Shippuden piqued early due to the conclusion of Hisoka vs Gon along with focus on Killer B, once Sasuke turned the fight around people got bored - One Piece piqued late by picking up viewers tuning in for OPM - One-Punch Man piqued early DBS/DBZ and JoJo probably piqued early 8pm DBS also probably piqued early (Rio on CN would have been a factor) and didn't hold viewers long enough to get to Jack.

Remember when Star Wars TCW was on ASA? Those were dark times Not because of the show in particular but because ASA started at 12:30 and only before 1am because of Star Wars TCW.

Zeni, I think you're just salty that Japanese kids shows do better than UC Gundam on Toonami. DBZ draws more adults than any other anime Adult Swim can play. If any other show was airing light on action episodes like the past four weeks of DBS/DBZ they'd have utterly tanked. For some reason people tolerate that kind of fluff for Dragon Ball. One bad week certainly doesn't prove otherwise. I don't see Toonami lasting forever though with Naruto, One Piece and DBS they can feasibly fill three slots for many years to come. As far as most anime fans who don't love Dragon Ball are concerned, Toonami is already irrelevant and behind the times but they're still trucking along after close to half a decade and at least have plans into their 6th year. As long as they do relatively well compared to the rest of Adult Swim, they won't get cancelled any time soon. Hell, they've clawed their way back to having 3.5 hours of premieres and will all but assuredly make it back to 4 hours of premieres. You clearly don't like the direction Toonami has gone in but that doesn't mean it hasn't worked.

The app definitely could use improvements. It's pretty easy to crash it on iOS, Android and the browser. The apps should save your spot, especially given how easy it is to crash the app. Lacking a console app and a Roku app is something they really ought to do. The rights to stream every episode of the likes of AoT, One-Punch and KLK wouldn't come cheap. They probably currently have somewhat limited licenses which do not allow them to stream even all 12 episodes of Dimension W at a time. I figure in order to get reasonable deals to be able to stream shows. It's likely a lot less than what Netflix and Hulu end up paying. Maybe something can change on that front but as long as Toonami airs shows that are licensed by 3rd party companies that don't want to put all their eggs in the same basket, they'll probably continue to have limitations with regards to streaming. Most of all, I want to be able to use a cable login to watch Adult Swim's east feed on my TV and if they were to offer a subscription for a robust AS streaming experience without need of cable, I would be very interested in that.

A wild Master Moltar appeared as a voice of reason