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It is dumb as fuck that Outlaw Star didn't get 2 AM or hell, even 1:30, if Lupin is doing crap numbers and Shit-Puddn' is taking a hard left turn into filler hell! But hopefully in the meantime it anchors the end of the block!

WHAT THE FUCK!?!? Good thing Outlaw Star is next to PICK US UP!!!

I know, right?? Turning this into the Hunter × Hunter thread--that OK??? Edit: OK, NOW it's the Lupin thread!!

Damn, dude--you legit beat me by ONE SECOND!!! Say goodbye to the "test dubs"... AND GET READY TO "WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN" RIGHT INTO BRAND-SPANKIN'-NEW EPISODES OF JOJO'S BIZARRE ADVENTURE: STARDUST CRUSADERS!!! Midnight tomorrow night (8/19/17) ONLY TOONAMI!!!

The crazy capers continue!! 1:30 AM tomorrow, ONLY TOONAMI!!

I believe this is worthy of individual threads. It's been almost 15 YEARS since it's been on CN/AS, after all! But that's just my opinion...

The September 2nd marathon we all knew was coming has now been announced. It's DBZ KFC--A 9-piece bucket of it from 11 PM-3:30 AM! Enjoy because it's FINGER LICKIN' GOOD!!!

Well, the stream has advanced to Episodes 16-20, but it seems to be stuck in a loop on 20. If we ever get out of this, enjoy! As for me, guess I'm moving on to a rewatch of 21-26 on my DVR!! Edit: turns out it was just MY stream that was screwed up somehow. I was able to refresh and get it right! By then the battle of Caesar and Wamuu had already passed but I still have it on my DVR!

Actually, last week a lot more WOMEN watched it than men in 18-34, in fact about 2/3 more, but the reverse was true of 35-49 so that women 18-49 just barely edged out men 18-49. http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-ae-hallmark-adult-swim-benefit-night/ In light of this, I'm really not sure College Football will hurt Live PD all that much, but I guess we'll see. Closer to home on this thread topic, this why Toonami needs to acquire a show that appeals more to women such as Sailor Moon Crystal. If Boruto isn't quite ready yet, that would make a decent replacement for DBZ Kai next year!

Not quite. This ANN user (who I swear is not me ) also raised the same question! http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3071265&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (3rd from the bottom)

It's actually rather inconclusive, but it DOES seem to have had an impact the last 2 years. In 2015, September and October were weaker than the red-hot summer months, and ditto in 2016 after OPM ended and JoJo took over. But that might be more attributable to the shows than the competition. However, actually I was hypothesizing that LIVE PD would be more affected by College Football than Toonami. I believe College Football will have more overlap with Live PD's audience than [as]/Toonami's audience. Hell, College Football might even be such a factor that they turn Saturday nights back over to reruns of Live PD during football season. There's no way to know for sure since Live PD's first Saturday broadcast was February 4th, at which point the only football game left is the Super Bowl. However, it seems to be holding up just fine against NFL Preseason so they might just keep on truckin' with it since it's probably pretty inexpensive to produce. But like I said, some years Toonami has done worse in the fall and some it has done better. The hype of Intruder 2 sent ratings skyward again in November 2015, for example. But Intruder 3 failed to provide the same boost the following year. With the exception of Samurai Jack, 2017 has been in free-fall decline as well, hitting lows for shows this summer that would have been unthinkable even in bad summers like 2014's. In conclusion, I'm thinking that College Football will probably have little to no effect on Toonami this year.

Partially by force, but Samurai Jack and FLCL is clearly just the beginning! I feel in the future we may see Toonami co-produce new Outlaw Star, new Hunter x Hunter, hell maybe even new Gundam or new JoJo Part 5! They're claiming their stake on certain franchises, that even though there's not doing so hot in the ratings right now, a co-pro with them might change their fate in the future!

Yeah, they've certainly got deeper pockets than Turner, that's for sure. That said, sometimes good relationships go further than money. Just look at what Toonami classics [as] has been able to bring back, plus co-productions like FLCL for examples of this. Netflix will get a huge slice of the pie, but they can't completely block Turner/Toonami from getting their slice as well. It WILL be a much smaller slice, and that's fine. Toonami can't beat Netflix, but they're not trying to--only to keep pace with them!

I honestly still don't know if he's really gone or if this is just one big hoax. It's quite frustrating. But lately I've been thinking "where in the hell did Toonami's biggest threat Live PD even COME from?" I figured it was a fairly recent thing, and I was right. It never even aired on Saturdays, opting instead only for Fridays and occasional Thursdays until 2/4/2017. And its numbers have just continued skyward on a positive trajectory since assuming its current Friday/Saturday format, as you can see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_PD Meanwhile, with the exception of Samurai Jack, Toonami's ratings have been dwindling, and yet it still remains king in 18-34. But how much longer will that go on? And how much higher can Live PD rise? I'm thinking College Football will deliver a HUGE blow to Live PD this fall but it, like Toonami, will keep on going. And meanwhile, Toonami will be affected to a lesser degree.

Wow. Unbelievable. And we STILL don't know for sure. Well, guess I'll just follow this thread and see how it develops. But assuming the worst, and hoping I'm wrong, RIP Luuv. Also, how ironic is it that this news hits the week JJBA Episode 20, in which Caesar Zeppeli dies, plays on the Toonami Stream? [This ain't the summer of Luuv anymore. R.I.P.]

Damn, unreal. ohno :catsad :robot(

Wow, you're correct! BTW, The "better" schedule at http://adultswim.x10.mx/ has a gap on 9/2 from 11-4 AM. Could they REALLY be planning a marathon of the first 10 episodes of Lupin the 3rd: Part 4?? Unrelated to Toonami, Rick & Morty is getting a marathon of the first 6 episodes of Season 3 from 11 PM-2 AM on 9/3 that repeats from 2-5 AM!

I hope not! Too busy on IRL duties, maybe? But I'll keep this in mind...

I think one interesting potential twist they might try at some point in the future would be to move the 11 PM hour to the 9 PM hour and let comedy have 10-midnight. But I personally wouldn't like to see that because I'm rarely at home at 9/8C on Saturdays. Sports events always seem to take precedence in that hour. Hell, I rarely watched the 8 PM premieres, and I still haven't seen an 8:30 DBS premiere on anything but my smartphone. I wonder if JoJo would be tame enough for 9 PM encores leading-in to Rick & Morty? But it's probably a moot point because DBS will most likely be forced back to a half-hour at 9 PM (and no more "3-peats") when CN inevitably claims their extra hour this fall. On that note, we're only 17 days away from September 2nd, the Saturday of Labor Day weekend, and we still don't know what marathon Toonami intends to air then! I'm thinking DBS will get rare 4th (and sometimes even 5th) episode runs, though Kai would be nice since it would contain that July 22nd episode that got screwed with on DirecTv, and would ultimately give us a chance to re-record everything that got screwed up. Tokyo Ghoul and Lupin the 3rd are lower-rated so they seem like longshots. But as bad as JoJo's been doing after Kai, I would still pencil it in for the Halloween marathon this year (Oct. 28). After all, it will have 12 episodes out then, but perhaps more importantly, Episode 4, the one coming up this weekend and first of the Egypt trip, would begin the marathon! Back to September 2nd, another longshot would be for Toonami to finally air the DBZ movies from 2013 and 2015 that the most recent arcs of Super were based upon, but considering that we haven't heard anything about that yet, I'm assuming that's probably not in the cards.

We finally have Programming Insider's report, which fills in the rest of the numbers: http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-ae-hallmark-adult-swim-benefit-night/ Note that Adult Swim still rules the night in 18-34, despite Live PD's recent success. But it's actually more WOMEN watching Live PD in the target demographics than men. That's a sign that Toonami needs to get a program with a strong female lead next year--they need Sailor Moon or something like that. Then again, it's unclear that even that would combat something like Live PD effectively since it would have to get a prime time encore. Live PD's rerun apparently doesn't do nearly as good as its live first run, so in that respect it's kinda like sports, which have an inconclusive effect on Toonami. TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 622,000 8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 751,000 (120.74%) 10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 1,164,000 11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 901,000 (77.41%) 11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 844,000 (93.67%) 12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 670,000 (79.38%) 12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 622,000 (92.84%) 1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 567,000 (91.16%) 1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 459,000 (80.95%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 501,000 (109.15%) 2:30 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 389,000 (77.64%) 3:00 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 365,000 (93.83%) 3:30 AM Samurai Jack (NPOT) 299,000 (81.92%) TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 590,889 Note: NPOT = Not Part of Toonami Dragon Ball Super's premiere steadily gains on its encore, but its official Toonami airing, its 2nd play, has the worst retention of the night in total viewers. I guess that's still OK, but we've seen how on other nights 11 PM gains from its lead-in. Small price to pay for having Toonami at 11 PM, right?? JoJo and GITS were the other worst-retaining shows of the night, but I believe those two problems will be mitigated somewhat because we're out of the "test dub" now with JoJo, while GITS is replaced by Outlaw Star. As for the Rick & Morty hour at 9 PM (not shown), the 9 PM airing actually VALLEYS after the Super premiere at 8:30, which speaks highly of the strength of Super premieres even in a crappy timeslot. ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 299,000 8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 414,000 (138.46%) 10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 698,000 11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 531,000 (76.07%) 11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 498,000 (93.79%) 12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 404,000 (81.12%) 12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 341,000 (84.41%) 1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 332,000 (97.36%) 1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 248,000 (74.70%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 273,000 (110.08%) 2:30 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 222,000 (81.32%) 3:00 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 220,000 (99.10%) 3:30 AM Samurai Jack (NPOT) 170,000 (77.27%) TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 341,000 Same pattern with the 18-49's, though 8:30 PM Super gained MUCH better on its lead-in, a rarely-seen over 1/3 as many viewers!! Its 11 PM airing did slightly worse, but both JoJo and GITS retained this demographic a bit better. Of course as with total viewers, Shippuden is once again retention champ of the night, which bodes well for it leading-in to Outlaw Star next week, and AOT may have looked like a chump in 12:30 premieres, but in 3 AM reruns it looks more like a champ! I daresay some weeks we might even see a progression in which Shippuden gains on Lupin, Outlaw Star gains on that, and then AOT gains on THAT! Perhaps [as] has finally achieved a "late night comeback" at 2-3 AM on Saturdays that it gets by rerunning AD/FG on weeknights! Oh yeah, and finally... CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 840,571 (28 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 1,049,310 (29 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 971,533 (30 episodes) JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 670,000 (2 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 676,444 (18 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 779,226 (62 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 504,750 (8 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 833,009 (169 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 484,308 (26 episodes, finished) Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 386,000 (3 episodes) Adults 18-49 Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 410,214 (28 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 634,966 (29 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 586,067 (30 episodes) JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 399,000 (2 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 411,556 (18 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 465,242 (62 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 295,750 (8 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 462,044 (152 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 296,462 (26 episodes, finished) Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 225,000 (3 episodes) Adults 18-34 (Estimated) Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 262,481 (27 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 395,900 (30 episodes) JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 269,667 (3 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 274,500 (18 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 203,857 (7 episodes) Note no change to Lupin's 18-34 average since its 18-34 wasn't reported this week as it failed to make the Top 50. But in an ironic twist of events it actually stays above 200K on average! Keep in mind that even with crap numbers like these, Toonami still rules the night in 18-34, which is why it remains a valuable programming block and isn't going anywhere! As for Ghost In The Shell's first (and most likely only) HD run's final ratings average: well under 500K total viewers and just under 300K adults 18-49. Those are the numbers to beat for Outlaw Star!!

I actually thought Sword Art Online II was a little better than Sword Art Online 1. Granted, it was mostly "side stories" and no real high stakes, but the Phantom Bullet arc was a little different because it was sort of a mystery and it involved guns instead of swords. Both Ex-Calibur and Mother's Rosario arcs have some decent action, especially episodes 16-21, but the conclusion of the Mother's Rosario arc is REALLY heavy. I'd say you've got little to lose, so it's worth a try. I enjoyed the showdowns with Death Gun in the Phantom Bullet/Gun Gale Online arc, and the boss battles in the Ex-Calibur and Mother's Rosario arcs, which highlight each of the character's special moves. All in all, I would say it was worthy to be shown on Toonami, and averaged just under a million people watching!

This is straight-up nonsense. There is no "comedy team". DeMarco and Gill are HUGE fans of Rick & Morty, Decker, and Apollo Gauntlet. Hell, DeMarco is not only the head of Toonami, he's also VP of programming. Why they can't pull an AMC to promote their side project Toonami during the mainstream shows on Sunday nights is beyond me, though it is important to remember this is temporary and Toonami is more or less permanent. I seriously doubt the next 11:30 Sunday show will be able to outdraw Rick & Morty. And GOT already airs reruns on Saturday nights and that really doesn't hurt Toonami that much.

I think if Drifters ever gets a 2nd season, that's definitely one that Toonami should look into. It's from the same mangaka as Hellsing, the first season was pretty prominently featured on FUNi (hell, it's the reason I GOT FUNi in the first place), and they could blow through that right before dub-premiering the 2nd season AOT-style.

It's not "weeb crap". That would be subtitled anime shown only on Crunchyroll and Netflix. It's not rocket science--you've got one HUGE premiere, so why would you not market your 7 other premieres that aren't doing so hot on another night of the week. AMC did The Son and Turn promos during The Walking Dead/Fear TWD and now does Halt and Catch Fire promos during Preacher. What night do those 3 shows air? Saturday nights at 9/8C. So why can't [as] follow suit and do the same with its highest-rated premiere Rick & Morty, which has been shown to have a pretty decent crossover audience with Toonami's dwindling audience? Instead, they promote Old Spice in lieu of one of their promo spots, which strikes me as an incredibly dumb move! You don't see AMC doing anything like that! However, as bad as Lupin the 3rd did, it STILL managed to beat Turn's series finale in 18-49, so maybe on-air promos really don't do THAT much for shows? Oh yeah, I've got numbers, for what it's worth, as ShowBuzzDaily has updated: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-12-2017.html Adult Swim’s animated line-up was mostly down from last week: DRAGON BALL Z steady at 0.39, the primetime DRAGON BALL SUPER up a tick to 0.32, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE down 0.03 to 0.31, TOKYO GHOUL down 0.05 to 0.27, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.03 to 0.26/567K, LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.05 to 0.19, NARUTO down 0.05 to 0.21/501K, GHOST IN THE SHELL down 0.01 to 0.17/389K, ATTACK ON TITAN down 0.02 to 0.17/365K, and SAMURAI JACK down 0.04 to 0.13/299K. 11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 844,000 12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 670,000 (79.38%) 12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 622,000 (92.84%) 1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 567,000 (91.16%) 1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 459,000 (80.95%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 501,000 (109.15%) 2:30 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 389,000 (77.64%) 3:00 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 365,000 (93.83%) 3:30 AM Samurai Jack (NPOT) 299,000 (81.92%) Yep, I'm afraid JoJo dropped the ball. Too bad he wasn't playing Rugby... But Naruto--wow! I question if Lupin wasn't really 559K, though why would they screw it up 2 weeks in a row (some sites reported Lupin as 569K last week instead of 469K)? But Shippuden beat it in 18-49 as well by 0.02, so I'm thinking this time it's right. Adios, GITS! You gotta think that Outlaw Star will continue Shippuden's positive trajectory following Lupin next week, but I guess we'll see! And AOT still manages to retain pretty well afterward before Jack screws it up outside Toonami. Face it, with all that was going on in Charlottesville, this was a ROUGH week. Notice that in the Top 50, 21 slots went to cable news networks. That's why Lupin came in #58. We've seen something like this before, on January 21st, when Gundam Unicorn placed #50 and Dragon Ball Super's 8 PM premiere also placed exactly #58. So what happened then that gave news stations a huge edge? That's right, Trump's inauguration and the Women's March! So in conclusion, this is NOT normal. Even though Live PD is now a constant thorn in Toonami's side and there are the recurring nuisances that are UFC, Boxing, and the like, on days that those are a thing it usually does better than this, at least in terms of rankings. And still, with a 12:30 JoJo that came in #36 that week while 12:30 Tokyo Ghoul came in #21 this week, it appears that Charlottesville may not have done QUITE as much damage as the Trump inauguration/Women's March, even if numbers are lower these days on average than they were then. Edit: I checked, and I'm right. January 21st was WAY worse than this. This week Toonami/[as] managed 3 shows in the Top 10, while then DBZ: KFC only managed #20. A whopping TEN timeslots on CNN and 3 on Fox News ranked higher than that! http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-21-2017.html

I'm no TV exec, but I don't understand why they can't air a Toonami promo lineup during the middle commercial break of Rick & Morty premieres. Seems like it would be an easy thing to do and would probably raise views for Toonami shows by about 100-200K! It's like Toonami has won the prize of an 11 PM start time but ratings superiority on Saturday nights just doesn't matter anymore as long as Sundays are doing ok. Well, if they know what's good for them, they'll at least play a Dragon Ball Super promo after Decker: Mindwipe this week. It's its season finale and the Apollo Gauntlet that follows is a rerun. Or maybe Stardust Crusaders is doing so bad because everyone knows these 3 episodes are test dubs, and this week it starts doing a bit better? Hopefully Outlaw Star's return will get people watching through 2:30 AM once again at least, and if this strategy pans out, maybe replace it with G Gundam next year?