OwlChemist81

Jack may have valleyed, but the show that did the worst in 18-49 and lost like 39% over its venerable lead-in? THE DAMN CLEVELAND SHOW. Seriously, just what the hell is that doing on after Dragon Ball Super? It makes about as much sense as when they tried to run Aqua Teen Hunger Force after DBZ Kai encores, a move that cost us both the DBZ Kai encores and the ill-fated ATHF reruns! Ironically, we seem to be headed down the same path this year, maybe, except that since Super is a premiere at 8 PM it seems to be insulated from that fate. But 8:30 is just begging to be occupied by something better. Hell, even Lupin encores would probably do better. After all, the premiere did beat the 3:30 AM Cleveland Show!

You're probably right. http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-thundermans-nickelodeon-tops-cable-prime-time-total-viewers-teens/ The results are in, and we've only a double million, as Jack REALLY dropped the ball this week! TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 698,000 10:30 PM Family Guy 1,385,000 11:00 PM Samurai Jack S5 (Rerun) 972,000 (70.18%) 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,035,000 (106.48%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 1,018,000 (98.36%) 12:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 858,000 (84.28%) 1:00 AM Tokyo Ghoul 724,000 (84.38%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 561,000 (77.49%) 2:00 AM Lupin The 3rd 500,000 (89.13%) 2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 480,000 (96.00%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 470,000 (97.92%) TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 735,333 That average is down 16% from Toonami last year, and the 11:30-3 portion is down 15%. Considering that the year-to-year for the entire week of Adult Swim is down 22% this year, that's pretty good, but... ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 359,000 10:30 PM Family Guy 777,000 11:00 PM Samurai Jack S5 (Rerun) 577,000 (74.26%) 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 653,000 (113.17%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 639,000 (97.86%) 12:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 542,000 (84.82%) 1:00 AM Tokyo Ghoul 483,000 (89.11%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 380,000 (78.67%) 2:00 AM Lupin The 3rd 334,000 (87.89%) 2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 318,000 (95.21%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 317,000 (99.69%) TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 471,444 Despite the block starting out with a thud with Samurai Jack's rerun dropping 200K 18-49 from Family Guy, Dragon Ball Super's "official" premiere actually gained 13% in 18-49 from Jack, making it look like a total champ instead of a chump as it has seemed following premieres of Jack through March, April, and May. Guess that's the "Frieza effect" that also sent the ratings into the stratosphere 2 years ago. And as for the average? Down only 6% year-to-year, and 5% for the 11:30-3 AM time frame! FINALLY... CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 860,696 (23 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 1,099,130 (23 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 1,013,583 (24 episodes) Attack On Titan Season 2 - 799,556 (9 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 705,583 (12 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 801,411 (56 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 522,500 (2 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 845,739 (163 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 503,550 (20 episodes) Adults 18-49 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM, Estimate) - 418,000 (23 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 665,957 (23 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 613,542 (23 episodes) Attack On Titan Season 2 - 483,556 (9 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 439,583 (12 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 479,054 (56 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 319,000 (2 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 469,950 (146 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 315,250 (20 episodes) Adults 18-34 (Estimated) Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 267,455 (22 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 415,375 (24 episodes) Attack On Titan Season 2 - 318,556 (9 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 294,583 (12 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 224,500 (2 episodes) For all its trouble looking like a champ, Super also actually dropped under 1.1 million average for the first time this week. AOT S2 meanwhile just might pull above 800K average, while Hunter x Hunter might fall below. That's it for this week; now we wait until at least Wednesday of next week to see what the AOT S2 marathon does!

Well, SHOWBUZZDAILY updated, and a surprising show didn't retain well: 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 1,018,000 12:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 858,000 (84.28%) 1:00 AM Tokyo Ghoul 724,000 (84.38%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 561,000 (77.49%) 2:00 AM Lupin The 3rd 500,000 (89.13%) 2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 480,000 (96.00%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 470,000 (97.92%) Yes, at least after Midnight, Hunter x Hunter was the worst retainer this week, which is quite unusual. It's sad how far down that show has fallen, when it's at the end of what arguably is its first great arc; I just hope they finish it out at this point. Never mind the fact that it's on only half an hour later than it debuted and it's doing just over half as good. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-24-2017.html

True, I get that. But that doesn't seem to be the behavior of 99% of Toonami watchers. Even taking account their views are probably scattered throughout the week, those first 5 episodes will appear on the stream some 20-30 times each, so theoretically, assuming an average of 200, that means about 6000 will watch the stream, which is not even 1% as high as Toonami's flagging ratings. Also, 11 PM is a pretty reasonable time, although it's a war of attrition to stay up to the end even in the Central time zone where Toonami is 10 PM-2:30 AM.

One last odd-ball programming decision to close out the first half year, though it's NOT actually on the block, but on the streaming channel, which less than 200 people watch, so it might not hurt that bad... Attack on Titan Season 2 is playing right now, in advance of the marathon! Yep, you read that right. It's probably just gonna be #26-#30 all week, but that might be enough to take critical eyeballs off 11 PM-1 AM 7/1/17. It would have been smarter for [as] to play the conclusion of Season 1 leading up to this, but then again I guess they aren't in the business of making sense...

Yeah, me too! I do hope we get Gundam back sooner rather than later, though. Iron Blooded Orphans Season 2 just might replace AOT, and JoJo Part 3 just might replace Tokyo Ghoul.

Oddly enough, this week might go down as one of the better weeks of 2017, while 2 years ago, it was actually one of the worst in 2015: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-100-saturday-cable-originals-6-27-2015.html But you are correct that the F12-34 numbers were higher, though not by much. The show that really brought the girls was InuYasha: The Final Act, and when that ended, things softened quite a bit, though SAO II also kept that going.

First look at ratings is out, and we have a probable triple-million, folks!! At the very least DBZ KFC cracked a million; no word yet on whether or not it rose from there over 18K over Super. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-24-2017.html 6/24/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - #9 (+8) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.38 Estimated 18-34 - 258,000 ( 32.78% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.31 Estimated 18-49 - 397,000 ( 50.44% ) Total Viewers - 787,000 6/24/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters - #3 (STEADY) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.64 Estimated 18-34 - 435,000 ( 42.73% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.50 Estimated 18-49 - 641,000 ( 62.97% ) Total Viewers - 1,018,000 6/24/2017 Attack On Titan - #5 (+1) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.54 Estimated 18-34 - 367,000 ( 42.77% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.42 Estimated 18-49 - 538,000 ( 62.70% ) Total Viewers - 858,000 6/24/2017 Tokyo Ghoul - #7 (STEADY) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.49 Estimated 18-34 - 333,000 ( 45.99% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.38 Estimated 18-49 - 487,000 ( 67.27% ) Total Viewers - 724,000 6/24/2017 Lupin the 3rd - #17 (+5) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.35 Estimated 18-34 - 238,000 ( 47.60% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.26 Estimated 18-49 - 333,000 ( 66.60% ) Total Viewers - 500,000 Almost everything is up over last week. Lupin lost in total viewers but gained in both its target demos. Also, the top 3 shows (DBZ KFC, AOT, and Tokyo Ghoul) actually smashed the competition in men 12-34 by a pretty wide margin, as you can see above. But women chose Nick over Toonami pretty much across the board, though most of those shows are Saturday morning. I'm not sure Adult Swim minds that Thundermans beats Dragon Ball Super at 8 PM nearly every week since the latter gets its 11:30 replay. Despite Doctor Who's cult following, Lupin the 3rd beat it in almost every category, INCLUDING total viewers. It only got edged by Dr. Who in 25-54, and of course beat by it in 50+. I guess Lupin doesn't appeal to older Toonami viewers as much as they had hoped? I'd like to see what it could do with encores right after Dragon Ball Super at 8:30 PM, but I doubt we ever will.

Including Dragon Ball shows? I would think they would be as culturally acceptable as Kung Fu films at least.

He's currently stone in DBZ KFC. I'm kinda sad to see that Piccolo is "currently" "dead" in both series!

It's a stylistic choice! But that butt ain't even real... ...and by that I mean as the other characters would perceive it!

It really IS a 7-part finale!

Aw damn.

Hinata sure had a hell of a scare early in the original Naruto though. I think she got a heart attack or something around episode 50?

Damn, total carnage!!

If you like soccer, you probably liked this episode! And yep, Lupin bet on it!

That's gonna drive him nuts!

Sorry, I should have used the word "stereotypical", because that's what it is! This also sheds some light: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/where-did-gay-lisp-stereotype-come At least that one wasn't as Egregious as Dr. Stylish from Akame ga KILL!

I hope Attack on Titan Episode #26 (2-1) does well at 11 PM next week!

Blame Big Gay Al from South Park on that one, I guess...

I can just see Mochi's fists of rage at that really bad gay accent!

Tokyo Ghoul was actually good tonight, and Hunter x Hunter is always good... ...but I guess you mean no one's staying up for Shitpoodle?

I didn't know there were ninjas in this world--I mean I never doubted that there could be, but y'know...

Conjurers conjuring entire BUILDINGS?? That'd be a useful skill for crack dealers!

I just noticed Tom holding Georgia (the worm) in the AOT Marathon promo!