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THIS JUST IN... http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-9-2018.html CABLE HIGHLIGHTS: A&E’s LIVE PD led Saturday cable, down 0.07 to 0.60, with lead-out GOTTI: GODFATHER & SON at 0.34. The Adult Swim late-night line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL at 0.38/0.28 compared to last week’s 0.50/0.40, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.07 to 0.22/520K, FLCL PROGRESSIVE down a tenth to 0.19, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE down 0.04 to 0.17, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.05 to 0.16/377K, BLACK CLOVER down 0.05 to 0.15/333K, NARUTO down 0.01 to 0.17/337K, SPACE DANDY down 0.02 to 0.13/260K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.12/241K, and LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.05 to 0.11/239K. Hallmark’s original movie PERFECT BRIDE: WEDDING BELLS was at 0.29. (It was a busy night for theatrical movies, with HBO’s AMERICAN MADE premiering at 0.31, 2 runs of BATMAN V SUPERMAN on TNT, both oddly at 0.29, and TBS’s premiere of THE JUNGLE BOOK at 0.29.) ID’ FEAR THY NEIGHBOR rose 0.05 to 0.28. ESPN’s USA SOCCER match was at 0.27. HGTV’s 2 episodes of MOUNTAIN LIFE were at 0.26/0.25, and lead-in HOUSE HUNTERS RENOVATION was down 0.02 to 0.23. Fox Sports 1’s UFC PPV PRELIMS was at 0.25. On Food Network, PIONEER WOMAN ticked up to 0.24, and KITCHEN AT FN ticked down to 0.23. On TLC, SAY YES TO THE DRESS returned at 0.17, and lead-out I WANT THAT WEDDING was at 0.17. On OWN, WELCOME TO SWEETIE PIE’S lost 0.02 to 0.12, followed by another episode at 0.10. Showtime’s limited series PATRICK MELROSE ended its run still off the chart, but up 0.01 to 0.03/197K. See, there's the problem. Toonami is already hamstrung enough pitted against the inexplicable abomination that is Live PD each and every week, but when theatrical action movies are shown on TBS and TNT simultaneously, that seems to indicate to me a lack of synergy. Both Batman vs. Superman showings and The Jungle Book beat everything on Toonami in 18-49 besides Dragon Ball Super, and that might be a bit of a problem. 6/9/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention Family Guy ??? DBS 802,000 #DIV/0! DBZKFC 660,000 82.29% MHA 520,000 78.79% FLCL 441,000 84.81% JoJo 391,000 88.66% HxH 377,000 96.42% B. Clover 333,000 88.33% Shippuden 337,000 101.20% Dandy 260,000 77.15% Bebop 241,000 92.69% GITS 239,000 99.17% AVERAGE 418,273 22nd of 23 Full 18-49s coming up later. Hopefully these numbers will rebound from here though! Oh, in case you were wondering, FLCL Progressive only got about 170K in 18-34. So that's where we are now, sub 200K in 18-34 for a world premiere at midnight. In the old days, those kind of numbers led to immediate schedule shuffling, but in this case it's hard to believe it's really FLCL Progressive's fault. That's why I hope if it gets shuffled for its last 2 episodes, it gets the 11 PM hour.

Well, there are others who can. Gill Austin, Steve Blum, or Dana Swanson for starters...

Well I'll be damned! I'll have to concede you're right about that one! Perhaps my memory of early [as] isn't as good as I thought it was. The Futurama marathon was a full-show marathon nightly during the holiday season that year.

Sad and pathetic indeed if CN, which has had all the variety lately of a late 90's thrash metal band, is indeed encroaching on hours [as] fought hard against them to obtain once again. But I guess kids will stay up late on Saturday and Sunday nights in the summertime. What does this mean for the big picture of Toonami? Well, let's explore some possibilities: NO MARATHON ON 6/30: 6/23: Block as it is now, DBZ Kai showcases its final episode 6/30: DBS; FLCL: Progressive Power Hour premiering episodes 5 & 6 back-to-back, MHA, JoJo, etc... 7/7: Toonami pre-empted for CN Summer Camp Island event 7/14: DBS, 2 NEW SHOWS IN THE 11 PM HOUR (AOTS3? & ???), MHA, JoJo, etc... MARATHON ON 6/30: 6/23: Block as it is now, DBZ Kai showcases its final episode 6/30: MARATHON NIGHT (I'm rooting for FLCL Progressive 1-4 followed by MHA episodes 1-7) 7/7: Toonami pre-empted for CN Summer Camp Island event 7/14: DBS; FLCL: Progressive Power Hour premiering episodes 5 & 6 back-to-back, MHA, JoJo, etc... 7/21: DBS, 2 NEW SHOWS IN THE 11 PM HOUR (AOTS3? & ???), MHA, JoJo, etc...

I never said anything about "pre-emption", only about "not airing nightly". Adult Swim has aired EACH AND EVERY NIGHT for almost 11 years. In fact, if this "No [as] 7/7 and 7/8" theory is true, then it will have aired nightly without interruption for exactly 11 years and one week (now that I remember more clearly, the first Futurama Friday marathon was actually on 7/6/2007. Before that, on 6/29, CN had Friday night, so that would be 11 years and 7 days from 6/30/07 to 7/6/18). Also, why the hell did you change Futurama to Family Guy? I'm pretty sure the first Friday was a Futurama marathon, since they had the rights to it then. Not sure where you got the idea that they ran a Family Guy marathon then or ever, unless you count the limited Family Guy Star Wars which was mixed in with Robot Chicken Star Wars and Star Wars: The Clone Wars on February 4, 2012.

If they do, maybe it should be a little something different, like a night split between 2 back-to-back marathons? It might be fun to run FLCL Progressive Episodes 1-4, followed by Episodes 1-7 of My Hero Academia starting at 12:30? Then the pre-emption July 7th, followed by the last 2 episodes of FLCL Progressive back-to-back at 11 PM on July 14th, THEN debut the 2 new shows (including AOTS3 this time) at 11 and 11:30 on July 21st? Yeah, I could see that.

You just barely beat me today. Wow, that's absolutely wretched total viewership! At this point, it's like we're playing limbo--how low can you go?? The previous record for a normal lineup at 12:30 AM was 398K, so JoJo just reverse-beat that! And I believe ditto for FLCL: Progressive. Doesn't help that there was NO conflict on Kai and that Super got the block off to a really bad start... ...but there IS a "silver lining" to this dark cloud: DBS WAS #2 in 18-49 and WON THE NIGHT in 18-34 single-handedly among cable originals, with Final Chapters coming in 3rd, FLCL: Progressive coming in 4th, and humble JoJo tying for 9th in 18-34, with all 4 shows making the Top 50 in 18-49. As long as that keeps happening, no matter HOW bad the total viewer numbers are, Toonami's not going anywhere--except MAAAAAAAAYBE on July 7th for a really bizarre event that may involve CN taking over hours that normally belong to [as] for a weekend: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2018/06/11/pack-your-bags-summer-camp-island-begins-july-7-on-cartoon-network-108313/20180611cartoon01/ Of course, lots of questions still abound as to exactly what the hell this could mean. Will it air for 48 hours on Boomerang only, or on both networks? Will CN REALLY take over hours which normally belong to [as] for a new show, which would effectively pre-empt not only Toonami, but also [as]'s normal Sunday night block? And if so, we might see the following? This really wouldn't be so bad... 6/23: Block as it is now, DBZ Kai showcases its final episode 6/30: DBS; FLCL: Progressive Power Hour premiering episodes 5 & 6 back-to-back, MHA, JoJo, etc... 7/7: Toonami pre-empted for CN Summer Camp Island event 7/14: DBS, 2 NEW SHOWS IN THE 11 PM HOUR (AOTS3? & ???), MHA, JoJo, etc... And finally, if [as] isn't airing one Saturday night, which would pre-empt Toonami, maybe they'll try a block the previous FRIDAY night?? Might not be a bad time to experiment with an FLCL: Progressive marathon...

I get that, but let's look at it another way: CN doesn't EXIST between 8 PM and 6 AM. It spans 15 hours, enough time for 3 play-throughs of this weird new Summer Camp Island show (which will allegedly have 5 hours worth of episodes, 20 15-minute episodes) on each day. Wait, that's 14 hours--maybe it will reclaim 8 PM-9 PM for the weekend just to fit in that last hour. Meanwhile, Boomerang is a 24-hour network which can play it ad-nauseum round the clock for 48 hours (although that isn't a multiple of 5 so it begs the question of how exactly that will work). I'm also not sure where you're getting 16 years. Adult Swim is almost 17 years old, that's true. But the last night that [as] didn't air on a FRIDAY night was 2007. On July 1, 2017, the first Friday night [as] broadcast happened (a Futurama marathon), and ever since, the network has been a 7-day a week network, then spanning 11 PM-6 AM, but gradually growing to its current 8 PM-6 AM nightly footprint.

You're an idiot if you really believe this!

And likewise, there's nothing in there that suggests that it isn't either! Whole networks just aren't pre-empted whenever they share channel space! This would be ridiculously huge since nothing like it has happened for 11 years or more!

That STILL doesn't mean anything definitive because it's ridiculously vague! One theory is that CN is only "taken over" during its broadcast hours, while Boomerang is "taken over" for the entire 48 hours.

Yeah, well that STILL doesn't mean that BOTH networks will play only those episodes ad-nauseum! Besides, Futon Critic is NOT super-reputable, despite what they say. More information is needed.

Yeah, but how LONG are those 20 episodes? WHY would they take 48 hours?? Something just isn't adding up here. If they're half hours, that would be 10 hours, so what the hell happens in the other 38? Maybe somehow the event is 12 hours, and contains 16 30-minute episodes, and 4 hour-long episodes. Then maybe it airs twice on CN and twice on Boomerang: 6 AM-6 PM 7/7 CN Round 1 6 PM-6 AM 7/7 Boom Round 2 6 AM-6 PM 7/8 AS Round 3 6 PM-6 AM 7/8 Boom Round 4 Yes, that leaves the 6 PM-7 PM hour, but maybe [as] is taking that too starting in the 2nd half of the year? We really don't know. But it's possible that the double-network takeover doesn't necessarily mean both networks at the same time.

But that still doesn't necessarily mean that BOTH networks will be taken over at the same time. In fact, that might be why Boomerang is involved; because to run this garbage for 48 hours, they CAN'T use their normal "A-channel" so they HAVE to take over the "B-channel". But I'm sure we'll get official confirmation on what the hell is happening here soon.

I'm not completely convinced that we won't get [as] and Toonami on July 7th by this news. Note that it says a DOUBLE NETWORK event BETWEEN CN and Boomerang. My theory is that CN will air the event during its normal hours, and Boomerang will air the event in the hours that the channel CN occupies is airing [as], while Boomerang airs its normal programming during the hours that CN is airing. But I could just as easily be proven wrong here. We're gonna have to await official news to figure out what the hell is going on here. But I really hope CN isn't going to take over hours on the schedule that have belonged to [as] for 11 years or more now, because CN has devolved into absolute shit and that would be really, really weird!

Well, it turns out you actually COULD watch Samurai Champloo episodes # 16-#20 on the stream over the weekend, but you had to be using the browser--the app was screwed up and was still playing #11-#15, occasionally cutting away to #16-#20 briefly. But now we've moved on to One-Punch Man, and it looks like Episodes 8-12 (as Episode 9 was playing at 8:30), indicating that they're probably losing the rights soon!

This is 6/2/18, not 6/9/18. It's actually just something I forgot to post because I was too busy at the end of last week, and because I was having computer issues.

Dragon Ball Super makes the Live+3 Top 25 in 18-49 once again on June 2nd: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/cable-live-3-ratings-for-may-28-june-3-2018 http://programminginsider.com/live3-weekly-ratings-the-americans-series-finale-on-fx-hits-season-highs-and-more-than-doubles-its-original-telecast-viewership/ Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, Sat., 6/2/18 10:30 PM)– Live+Same Day: 1.074 million viewers / 0.641 million adults 18-49– Live+3 Day: 1.503 million viewers (+39.94%) / 0.928 million adults 18-49 (+44.77%) Pretty sweet! Note also in the comments no FLCL: Progressive Live+3 since they do this for primetime ratings only. And finally, for the rest of the 18-49s: http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-golden-knights-capitals-on-nbcsn-post-most-viewed-nhl-stanley-cup-final-game-three-in-3-years/ 6/2/18 - Adults 18-49 Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49 Family Guy 594,000 DBS 640,000 107.74% DBZKFC 518,000 80.94% MHA 370,000 71.43% FLCL 372,000 100.54% JoJo 273,000 73.39% HxH 275,000 100.73% B. Clover 259,000 94.18% Shippuden 230,000 88.80% Dandy 199,000 86.52% Bebop 193,000 96.98% Lupin 208,000 107.77% AVERAGE 321,545 12th of 22 That's actually slightly above average so far for 2018!

Well, this is quite strange. Late on Friday night, it LOOKED like the stream was trying to advance to #16-#20, but it kept glitching back to earlier episodes. I guess Saturday morning they fixed the glitch, but it ended up STAYING on #11-#15! And what's even more bizarre is that the OLD Pre-Flight episode, the one about nuclear apocalypse movies, is still streaming as well!!

Hey, lookie here... https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/dragon-ball-super/episode-66/.108768 Rating: B

Hey, I thought it was a decent end, but maybe just because swordplay in the Dragon Ball Universe is freakishly rare. Of course, we have yet to see if this really IS the end, but it feels like it!

Yeah, sadly you're right. As opposed to where it should be in the lineup, 2nd right ahead of Super, it was a waste of money. But it IS also possible there was extra ad space due to extra breaks--but could they have made such a move on-the-fly to promote an [as] show, and a Toonami show at that? I guess the answer is "maybe!"

Ugh, I don't think I can hold my eyes open much longer...

...well, that really narrows it down!!

SESSION #9: JAMMING WITH EDWARD! Don't eat it!!