Jamie Snowden does a video on Cartoon Network, explaining unpopular decisions and the fact that the Toonami crew was apparently reviled by the CN rank and file

[Jman]

 

This honestly explains a lot of things, including how Sealab 2021 turned into a vent piece for the creators about how much they hated anime.

Edited September 22 by Jman

[PokeNirvash]

Tornado Shanks did the mid-2000s anime boom and you can't convince me otherwise. 

[Top Gun]

I'm not about to sit through this whole thing right now, but depending on when the Toonami team made those comments they were...probably right? After the original slate of Cartoon Cartoons tailed off there were a lot of lean years for the network, before you got to more modern successes like Adventure Time or Regular Show.

[Toonamiguy321]

19 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

I'm not about to sit through this whole thing right now, but depending on when the Toonami team made those comments they were...probably right? After the original slate of Cartoon Cartoons tailed off there were a lot of lean years for the network, before you got to more modern successes like Adventure Time or Regular Show.

They definitely were right, anime has been sharting all over western animation for 2 decades now, but by the sound of it, it seems Demarco and pals were somehow taking the credit for it as if they did anything besides put the anime on TV. Which I can see coming off as really abrasive to coworkers who actually work on projects themselves. 
 

It’s like being a football fan and your favorite team wins the Super Bowl, and then you act as if you contributed in any way to that achievement. 
 

Likely a big factor for why Demarco has always been so desperate to make anime. He has always known deep down that his only achievement has been doing license deals for other people’s work. Too bad for him any project with his name in the credits is a dumpster fire though. 

[Top Gun]

29 minutes ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

It’s like being a football fan and your favorite team wins the Super Bowl, and then you act as if you contributed in any way to that achievement.

What are you talking about, it was clearly because I sat in that one specific spot on the couch and didn't move the whole game.

[Sketch]

For the record, I asked the guys on the video about this and they clarified that the anime snobs that the rest of the network didn't like were gone by 2012 when the block was revived. So that is to say Jason, Gill, Kim Manning, the video editors and the sound designer that worked on Toonami since 2012 (and during the CN eras) were not among the anime snobs that was rubbing other creatives the wrong way. One can only wonder where these disliked people even found work elsewhere.

I'm inclined to think Sean Akins also wasn't among the problematic people given he went on to develop the You Are Here block and stayed with the CN side longer than Jason and Gill did. Not sure when he left but he was gone by 2012, maybe he left around 2011.

Through past conversations, Q&As and interviews we have heard the Toonami crew fought to get PPG and Samurai Jack onto the block when the network wanted to keep them off of Toonami. Though they could be the exception besides other works from Genndy, Craig or other well regarded cartoonists.

Considering there was a time when Toonami filled a lot of hours on CN between afternoons, late night and Saturdays morning/afternoon blocks there probably was a time when the people working on it thought they were hot shit. You would think the drastic cut backs in 2003 and eventually 2004 would have humbled them but I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto becoming a golden boy inflated those egos again but it wasn't sustainable with so many anime failing to meet expectations at the time.

[Toonamiguy321]

4 hours ago, Top Gun said:

What are you talking about, it was clearly because I sat in that one specific spot on the couch and didn't move the whole game.

Well, next years Super Bowl the Giants are gonna win because I wore this jersey while I sat on the couch. 

[Top Gun]

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[PokeNirvash]

12 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

Likely a big factor for why Demarco has always been so desperate to make anime. He has always known deep down that his only achievement has been doing license deals for other people’s work. Too bad for him any project with his name in the credits is a dumpster fire though. 

Eh, I'd be hesitant to call all of Demarco's projects dumpster fires (because my standards are lenient and I fucking hate you), but you have a point. I've always been more excited for [as] and Toonami's acquisitions than their original content, even nowadays. Forget Ninja Kamui 2 and 3, just pick up and air the second cour of Mashle already, ya cowards!

[Jman]

21 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

Tornado Shanks did the mid-2000s anime boom and you can't convince me otherwise. 

In hindsight, after Harry Goz died they knew they were done so they simply stopped giving a damn and vented about what pissed them off during scripting while thinking having everyone say vaginapenis constantly was funny.