brianycpht Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 5 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said: With S8 not coming this year, I have to assume the anime will run where S8 normally would starting in mid October. I assume the network foolishly still believes R&M is still at its relevancy levels from S3 and any Rick thing they shovel out is gonna do amazing. And they will be in for a rude awakening. This doesn’t appeal to anime fans, and it doesn’t move the plot needle of R&M any either so that fanbase won’t care either. From what we have seen from the teaser, it looks pretty bad visually too, so I’m not really sure who they are shooting for audience wise here. Even if it’s a ratings killer I’d be fine if it aired before the block, because that means we still have another slot to play with. Ideally, after the block would be the least harmful place but I doubt we will be so lucky. As for the promo, I wouldn’t say that’s a guarantee for a Toonami run because they have been shoehorning that in all over AS on major premiers. Without a doubt, AS will expect huge things out of it. That fan base didn’t even like the changes of s7, you think they’ll be receptive to this? I guess they will have plot elements like the other Beth, but I seriously doubt it’ll tie into the main shows storyline Ultimately, my main fear is they’ll force it to the block because they don’t want to have the slot to deal with and not much else. But it’ll be a subbed show that probably aired days ago and it’ll have both things working against it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I’m somewhat expecting a Thursday premiere, Friday on Max, encores on Saturday and Sunday but with no season 8 this year they might premiere it on Sunday which would mean the Saturday encores would be essentially a week behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 6 minutes ago, Sketch said: I’m somewhat expecting a Thursday premiere, Friday on Max, encores on Saturday and Sunday but with no season 8 this year they might premiere it on Sunday which would mean the Saturday encores would be essentially a week behind. That’s going to be an issue for them if they are expecting it to lead the block. It being available for a week means the main audience for the show will have already tuned in and seen it multiple ways. That plus it being subbed means it already has that going against it it is kind of sad that anything with the remotely wide appeal can’t premiere on Toonami because it’s on Saturday night. But they also won’t ever take the branding outside of Saturday either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 2 hours ago, brianycpht said: That’s going to be an issue for them if they are expecting it to lead the block. It being available for a week means the main audience for the show will have already tuned in and seen it multiple ways. That plus it being subbed means it already has that going against it it is kind of sad that anything with the remotely wide appeal can’t premiere on Toonami because it’s on Saturday night. But they also won’t ever take the branding outside of Saturday either They kinda did on Black Friday night in 2021 during Blade Runner: Black Lotus's run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 hours ago, brianycpht said: That’s going to be an issue for them if they are expecting it to lead the block. It being available for a week means the main audience for the show will have already tuned in and seen it multiple ways. That plus it being subbed means it already has that going against it it is kind of sad that anything with the remotely wide appeal can’t premiere on Toonami because it’s on Saturday night. But they also won’t ever take the branding outside of Saturday either I remember when they tried airing my hero academia as something to close out the nightly programming for adultswim Monday-Friday However they couldn’t even get through the third season before removing it from the lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 5 minutes ago, CountFrylock said: I remember when they tried airing my hero academia as something to close out the nightly programming for adultswim Monday-Friday However they couldn’t even get through the third season before removing it from the lineup As cutting edge as AS seems to some people, they don’t really give things a chance for very long with the nightly lineup before reverting to playing it safe again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 37 minutes ago, brianycpht said: As cutting edge as AS seems to some people, they don’t really give things a chance for very long with the nightly lineup before reverting to playing it safe again It’s a shame because I don’t think anime should just be relegated to graveyard slots on Saturday especially when adultswim struggles to fill time slots Monday-Friday without using multiple bobs burgers American dad and king of the hill episodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 5 minutes ago, CountFrylock said: It’s a shame because I don’t think anime should just be relegated to graveyard slots on Saturday especially when adultswim struggles to fill time slots Monday-Friday without using multiple bobs burgers American dad and king of the hill episodes I don’t think it ever did well on weeknights in the early years, but they were forced to rely on it because there just wasn’t enough episodes of their originals to fill out a schedule. Not even AD had enough to strip out until it got to like season 3 or 4. Hell, I don’t think they doubled up on FG until they lost Futurama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 There still isn’t enough episodes of most original content so they gotta pad out the schedule with koth/bobs/Ad which ends up making adultswim look very repetitive and boring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 8 hours ago, CountFrylock said: There still isn’t enough episodes of most original content so they gotta pad out the schedule with koth/bobs/Ad which ends up making adultswim look very repetitive and boring They have enough episodes to have a different show every half hour but most won’t please advertisers the way FOX reruns do so they limit the originals to a few hours a night and tend to avoid doing anything interesting outside of the DVR theater slots and Toonami. 05:00 - Dexter’s Lab 05:30 - Courage 06:00 - Cow & Chicken 06:30 - Samurai Jack 07:00 - Space Ghost C2C 07:30 - Home Movies 08:00 - King of the Hill 08:30 - Bob’s Burgers 09:00 - American Dad 09:30 - Futurama 10:00 - Robot Chicken 10:30 - Comedy Rotation 11:00 - Rick & Morty 11:30 - Smiling Friends 11:45 - YOLO 12:00 - Primal / Action Rotation 12:30 - Anime Rotation 01:00 - The Boondocks 01:30 - The Venture Bros. 02:00 - Mike Tyson Mysteries 02:30 - Aqua Teen 03:00 - Squidbillies 03:30 - Metalocalypse 04:00 - Superjail 04:15 - Mr. Pickles 04:30 - Morel Orel 04:45 - The Shivering Truth 05:00 - The Eric Andre Show 05:15 - Your Pretty Face 05:30 - Tim & Eric 05:45 - Tom Goes to the Mayor Edited April 23 by Sketch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Sketch said: They have enough episodes to have a different show every half hour but most won’t please advertisers the way FOX reruns do so they limit the originals to a few hours a night and tend to avoid doing anything interesting outside of the DVR theater slots and Toonami. 05:00 - Dexter’s Lab 05:30 - Courage 06:00 - Cow & Chicken 06:30 - Samurai Jack 07:00 - Space Ghost C2C 07:30 - Home Movies 08:00 - King of the Hill 08:30 - Bob’s Burgers 09:00 - American Dad 09:30 - Futurama 10:00 - Robot Chicken 10:30 - Comedy Rotation 11:00 - Rick & Morty 11:30 - Smiling Friends 11:45 - YOLO 12:00 - Primal / Action Rotation 12:30 - Anime Rotation 01:00 - The Boondocks 01:30 - The Venture Bros. 02:00 - Mike Tyson Mysteries 02:30 - Aqua Teen 03:00 - Squidbillies 03:30 - Metalocalypse 04:00 - Superjail 04:15 - Mr. Pickles 04:30 - Morel Orel 04:45 - The Shivering Truth 05:00 - The Eric Andre Show 05:15 - Your Pretty Face 05:30 - Tim & Eric 05:45 - Tom Goes to the Mayor What’s funny is that with every expansion earlier into prime time, there was always talk of them airing different things, but it always just ends up being KOTH. The FOX shows raise the bar to a level that the originals can’t meet and many of them can’t really strike a tone that’s going to capture that wider audience. They wouldn’t have gone that deep into prime time without having those shows. I fully expect them to bring back FG as soon as they are legally able since there seems to be a shift in strategy over at the Disney owned networks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 4/22/2024 at 12:05 AM, Toonamiguy321 said: Good catch with Superman, another two part start would help them buy a bit more time for MHA. Can’t say I agree with AoT for Memorial Day. I think they (and the audience) has put AoT behind them. While Superman really could do with a refresher course before the new season starts. I think IGPX will come back this year, but a little differently. With the newfound decay in expectations, I have returned to my earlier suspicion that DBZ will be the show replacing Naruto as the eternal 2a show. When that happens, IGPX will tag in and grab 2:30. Rick anime will be tricky. If they lead with it like you theorize, Toonami ratings are going straight down across the board. If they care about anything they acquired, I doubt they will want that. So Rick has to go somewhere else. Either a 3am run or some other time on Saturday that isn’t officially Toonami but is far enough away to not do too much damage. They didn’t seem too confident on it making 2024. And I don’t believe any AS original that didn’t have CR involved met its originally stated deadline. Plus it’s to their benefit to take a little extra time purely to give 2025 at least one piece of content to aspire to. Until we hear otherwise, Lazarus is the last original on deck. If we go get a MAWS marathon, I guess I'll have to tape it and use it as my own crash course. I didn't bother doing so with the premiere run, mostly because I taped the entire run of Unicorn only to not watch it after hearing people say it's mid. Do we think there's any chance Boruto could return after Shippuden ends? I bet Viz could give them a sweetheart deal on it if they really wanted to. Or they could rely on Kai, because at this point the numbers are low enough back there that I doubt whatever they'd air would make a difference. I could see Rickanime airing pre-Toonami on Saturdays, maybe at 11:30 (just like Black Dynamite S2 back in the day) or earlier. Remember when they aired a one-off new episode of Smiling Friends on a Saturday at 11:00? Wonder if that was intended as a test for things to come... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 hours ago, brianycpht said: What’s funny is that with every expansion earlier into prime time, there was always talk of them airing different things, but it always just ends up being KOTH. The FOX shows raise the bar to a level that the originals can’t meet and many of them can’t really strike a tone that’s going to capture that wider audience. They wouldn’t have gone that deep into prime time without having those shows. I fully expect them to bring back FG as soon as they are legally able since there seems to be a shift in strategy over at the Disney owned networks My problem Is it feels like adultswim is becoming more and more just background noise the network that this Could be any other network and nothing would be different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonamiguy321 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Blatch said: Do we think there's any chance Boruto could return after Shippuden ends? I bet Viz could give them a sweetheart deal on it if they really wanted to. Or they could rely on Kai, because at this point the numbers are low enough back there that I doubt whatever they'd air would make a difference. I’d rather they just sacrifice the slot to Kai rather than waste money on Boruto. They already know the audience doesn’t like it, so why get it back? Getting One Piece back was bad enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, Toonamiguy321 said: I’d rather they just sacrifice the slot to Kai rather than waste money on Boruto. They already know the audience doesn’t like it, so why get it back? Getting One Piece back was bad enough. Not happening. The head of programming knows its audience poison. They may try and justify it by saying it was confusing because they hadn’t finished Naruto yet, but you really don’t need to know that much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 41 minutes ago, Toonamiguy321 said: I’d rather they just sacrifice the slot to Kai rather than waste money on Boruto. They already know the audience doesn’t like it, so why get it back? Getting One Piece back was bad enough. It’s more likely they’d get rid of that time slot entirely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonamiguy321 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, CountFrylock said: It’s more likely they’d get rid of that time slot entirely Get rid of 2am? I find that unlikely unless things get incredibly dire. I have no doubt 3am will go sooner or later, but I don’t think Toonami will ever fall under 6 slots. Real talk though, if the choice was given to me, either cut a slot or put Boruto back on, that slot is getting cut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said: Get rid of 2am? I find that unlikely unless things get incredibly dire. I have no doubt 3am will go sooner or later, but I don’t think Toonami will ever fall under 6 slots. Real talk though, if the choice was given to me, either cut a slot or put Boruto back on, that slot is getting cut. Regardless of what’s in that time slot nobody’s gonna watch it. Fewer and fewer people watch toonami each year so why pretend that isn’t the case? There’s little chance a new show gets that time slot and keeping it around just for more DBZ Kai Reruns seems silly Edited April 24 by CountFrylock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I’d genuinely rather have double One Piece forever than Boruto or more Dragon Ball. Shocker, I know. But this is what Toonami should look like going forward 12:00 - Original / Big Acquisition 12:30 - Newer Acquisition 01:00 - Newer Acquisition 01:30 - Older Acquisition 02:00 - One Piece 02:30 - DBZ Kai Try to fill the first 1.5 hours with 3-6 month long shows and the 1:30 slot with shows that run 6 months to a year or longer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonamiguy321 Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, CountFrylock said: Regardless of what’s in that time slot nobody’s gonna watch it. Fewer and fewer people watch toonami each year so why pretend that isn’t the case? There’s little chance a new show gets that time slot and keeping it around just for more DBZ Kai Reruns seems silly They already bought Kai, so it’s going to air somewhere whether we like it or not. Again, I can’t see them dropping the block below 6 slots, unless it’s the day they drop it to 0 slots. So with that in mind, I’d rather Kai just take that time rather than Boruto. Either way, the slot is gone for good, but at least this way they aren’t wasting money on Boruto. 44 minutes ago, Sketch said: I’d genuinely rather have double One Piece forever than Boruto or more Dragon Ball. Shocker, I know. But this is what Toonami should look like going forward 12:00 - Original / Big Acquisition 12:30 - Newer Acquisition 01:00 - Newer Acquisition 01:30 - Older Acquisition 02:00 - One Piece 02:30 - DBZ Kai Try to fill the first 1.5 hours with 3-6 month long shows and the 1:30 slot with shows that run 6 months to a year or longer That’s the ideal scenario but unlikely to be what happens because I just have zero faith in their ability to keep 4 rotating slots going for the whole year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Idea Box Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Sketch said: I’d genuinely rather have double One Piece forever than Boruto or more Dragon Ball. Shocker, I know. But this is what Toonami should look like going forward 12:00 - Original / Big Acquisition 12:30 - Newer Acquisition 01:00 - Newer Acquisition 01:30 - Older Acquisition 02:00 - One Piece 02:30 - DBZ Kai Try to fill the first 1.5 hours with 3-6 month long shows and the 1:30 slot with shows that run 6 months to a year or longer I agree on how it should be, but I wonder how old a show at 1:30 is allowed to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonamiguy321 Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, Mr. Idea Box said: I agree on how it should be, but I wonder how old a show at 1:30 is allowed to be. The block missed a lot of gems over its years due to lack of space, I’d say a cutoff of 2012 would leave them plenty of viable options without dipping into the super old looking/poorly dubbed 90s and 00s stuff. Stuff like AssClass is a good baseline for what to aim for, and has evidence that a show of that age and wide availability can still succeed on the block. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KageRageX Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Darker Than Black? Baccano? return of Death Note? Accel World? Really, the choices are endless.....hell, maybe even Code Geass or Gundam 00, two shows that should have aired on CN Toonami, and in the latter's case, should have aired on CN in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) I think many people here have this assumption that toonami can do much better than boruto at that time slot. It’s 2024 and I don’t think that’s true. Maybe when companies were eager to be on toonami and any time slot was a good time slot but now? I just don’t know who’d be interested in lending out a show for the barely anyones awake time slot Edited April 24 by CountFrylock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonamiguy321 Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, CountFrylock said: I think many people here have this assumption that toonami can do much better than boruto at that time slot. It’s 2024 and I don’t think that’s true. Maybe when companies were eager to be on toonami and any time slot was a good time slot but now? I just don’t know who’d be interested in lending out a show for the barely anyones awake time slot Which is why I said, just stick Kai there. You are right, they probably don’t have the resources needed to keep 4 slots on rotation. So if the only two options on the table are Boruto or Kai, just give it to Kai and focus those resources that would have went into Boruto into making sure the first 90 minutes of Toonami is watchable. Aniplex has plenty of 1:30a material in their catalog. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 It’s entirely possible One Piece is more affordable than Kai, in which case it only makes sense to double it up instead but regardless they should focus on keeping 12-1:30 worth watching. 2:30 should be the lowest priority and they can certainly fill it with a rerun that doesn’t cost anything starting with IGPX season 2. I seem to recall a lot of us rationalized Kai was Shippuden’s replacement joining early. So let it be so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonamiguy321 Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 29 minutes ago, Sketch said: It’s entirely possible One Piece is more affordable than Kai, in which case it only makes sense to double it up instead but regardless they should focus on keeping 12-1:30 worth watching. 2:30 should be the lowest priority and they can certainly fill it with a rerun that doesn’t cost anything starting with IGPX season 2. I seem to recall a lot of us rationalized Kai was Shippuden’s replacement joining early. So let it be so. This is how I envision it 12 - new 12-26 episode series (or original when applicable) 12:30 - new 12-26 episode series 1 - new 12-26 episode series 1:30 - One Piece 2 - Kai 2:30 - whatever rerun they are feeling Sure, could be better, but I think this is the absolute best case scenario we could ask for, and at least some parts of the year would have double OP taking over 1. If we can just keep 90 minutes good it still kinda feels worthwhile to tune in every week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Watching one piece on toonami is frustrating because even at two episodes per week. It’ll be years before The Next Story line… things became less frustrating when I started streaming it on crunchyroll. I could get a couple episodes in and then switch to something else Honestly if I had never switched to streaming I realize I wouldn’t have been able to watch Frieren spy family or chainsaw man whatsoever 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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