CountFrylock Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 if they are so intent on having 2 marathons that month because it disrupts that show's momentum and that momentum cannot easily be recovered... if they continue to do this then they gotta at least remove the new year's marathon because unless you live in a big city new years is nothing more than sitting at home and drinking while watching the ball drop it's not really worth putting a halt to the schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Can the majority of your posts please not be about how marathons ruin everything? It's really not a big deal, and most others in Toonami fandom have moved past this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Blatch said: Can the majority of your posts please not be about how marathons ruin everything? It's really not a big deal, and most others in Toonami fandom have moved past this. how is it not that a big of a deal to have the momentum of your newest show thrown out of wack and then pushed back when it returns? especially when the adultswim sunday lineup could air new content the very next night with no need for reruns or a marathon Edited December 17, 2018 by CountFrylock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Well here's the funny thing. Their ratings suck. So what are they worried about? Getting sucky ratings for a week? We got our lowest ratings ever with the AOT marathon so.... we're ok with bad ratings? Why not air the normal lineup and get slightly better ratings? Having marathons makes zero sense anymore. Also, it would be one thing if most of their shows weren't infinitely long snail paced shonen but... they are. Watching one episode of Naruto per week would be bad enough, but one in 3 weeks? I don't really follow the reasoning on this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Daos said: Well here's the funny thing. Their ratings suck. So what are they worried about? Getting sucky ratings for a week? We got our lowest ratings ever with the AOT marathon so.... we're ok with bad ratings? Why not air the normal lineup and get slightly better ratings? Having marathons makes zero sense anymore. Also, it would be one thing if most of their shows weren't infinitely long snail paced shonen but... they are. Watching one episode of Naruto per week would be bad enough, but one in 3 weeks? I don't really follow the reasoning on this. That’s been my thing. Ratings can’t really be used as an excuse anymore since they are so low anyway. All year we’ve been told how they aren’t as important anymore and we had a TG weekend lineup that did normal. The only thing I can see is if they need to use it for programming needs or as a cost saving measure. And yes, AS does usually run originals on most holiday weekends for a lot if their 11 minutes shows, but actually skipped a week for LD when Rick and Morty was airing last year. They would stand to lose a lot for a show like that, but it’s gettig harder and harder to say the same thing for Toonami. It’s just riskier because they only get one shot to air something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 and with the advent of streaming services, you can't really say nobody watches anything on the holidays....it's pretty stupid to assume nobody uses their electronic devices around the holidays and just gathers around the family telling stories all this does is hurt the lineup in the long run.....how do you think fans will feel having to wait 3 weeks just for another episode of their toonami shows? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 11 hours ago, CountFrylock said: if they continue to do this then they gotta at least remove the new year's marathon because unless you live in a big city new years is nothing more than sitting at home and drinking while watching the ball drop it's not really worth putting a halt to the schedule How deluded must you be if you think people going out to New Year's parties is a myth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said: How deluded must you be if you think people going out to New Year's parties is a myth? i said again unless you live in a big city...small towns new year isn't really that big of a deal it's insane to assume people go out traveling in droves on new year's eve when at most it's just going to a bar getting hammered and then crashing on the couch back home most people don't just go to new year's parties or even have them around Edited December 17, 2018 by CountFrylock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 8 hours ago, CountFrylock said: how is it not that a big of a deal to have the momentum of your newest show thrown out of wack and then pushed back when it returns? especially when the adultswim sunday lineup could air new content the very next night with no need for reruns or a marathon There is no proof that marathons cause the shows to lose momentum. They've only been getting lower ratings because the entire block has been that way all the time. We've seen a natural degeneration over the course of this year despite there being fewer marathons than usual. Why does one week without Toonami make you mad? Is it because there's nothing more exciting in your life than a stupid block of cartoons fewer people care about anymore? At this point, I'm not sure if I can change your mind, so I just want to know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 13 hours ago, CountFrylock said: if they continue to do this then they gotta at least remove the new year's marathon because unless you live in a big city new years is nothing more than sitting at home and drinking while watching the ball drop it's not really worth putting a halt to the schedule .. didn't .... I read this EXACT post, worded the exact same way, elsewhere?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 8 hours ago, brianycpht said: That’s been my thing. Ratings can’t really be used as an excuse anymore since they are so low anyway. All year we’ve been told how they aren’t as important anymore and we had a TG weekend lineup that did normal. The only thing I can see is if they need to use it for programming needs or as a cost saving measure. And yes, AS does usually run originals on most holiday weekends for a lot if their 11 minutes shows, but actually skipped a week for LD when Rick and Morty was airing last year. They would stand to lose a lot for a show like that, but it’s gettig harder and harder to say the same thing for Toonami. It’s just riskier because they only get one shot to air something Good point! Weren't marathons BORN because of poor ratings?? Why does it matter! Hell, BRING us the anime movies! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) Yeah, I thought the movies would come back as a result of Toonami's intrusion into 9 PM. Turns out it was just an "experiment." The Dragon Ball Super marathon coming up this weekend will probably be the highest ratings we've seen in a while! Edited December 17, 2018 by OwlChemist81 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 minute ago, OwlChemist81 said: Yeah, I thought the movies would come back as a result of Toonami's intrusion into 9 PM. Turns out it was just an "experiment." The Dragon Ball Super marathon coming up this weekend will probably be the highest ratings we've seen in a while! "Experiment" is a word cowards use to justify a failure they themselves made. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Yeah, I thought the movies would come back as a result of Toonami's intrusion into 9 PM. Turns out it was just an "experiment." The Dragon Ball Super marathon coming up this weekend will probably be the highest ratings we've seen in a while! aren't the episodes included in that marathon pretty crap though all things considered? if that thing got the highest rating in months then it would seem that even A DBZ Marathon with little to no fighting(which defeats the purpose of a DBZ Marathon...the fight)is seen as amazing by the fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 12 hours ago, Blatch said: There is no proof that marathons cause the shows to lose momentum. They've only been getting lower ratings because the entire block has been that way all the time. We've seen a natural degeneration over the course of this year despite there being fewer marathons than usual. Why does one week without Toonami make you mad? Is it because there's nothing more exciting in your life than a stupid block of cartoons fewer people care about anymore? At this point, I'm not sure if I can change your mind, so I just want to know why. it's three weeks without toonami... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 No, it's 3 weeks to wait on new episodes. Not the same thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: No, it's 3 weeks to wait on new episodes. Not the same thing! where does that one week without toonami make sense when there's two marathons? (seriously though one week without toonami? even if i tuned out for DB Super Marathon there's still 2 weeks without new content) it might as well be no toonami when you have boring recruitment episodes for DB Super as a marathon and then a marathon for a show that doesn't have enough episodes for a marathon.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 15 hours ago, elfie said: Good point! Weren't marathons BORN because of poor ratings?? Why does it matter! Hell, BRING us the anime movies! And Considering we're still using the nielsen system(something that probably tracks more old folks than actual toonami viewers)it's likely that none of our views matter we're just watching for the lulz and our viewership doesn't help anyone or anything so why continue to act like our views matter when they don't? it's all about that tiny box of nielsen viewers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Watch using the app or the website on your browser. Those views actually mean something. Edited December 18, 2018 by OwlChemist81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 8 hours ago, CountFrylock said: it's three weeks without toonami... You completely ignored my central question: why do you care so much that Toonami takes marathon breaks? Any normal person would be happy to get a week without anime, because there's other stuff to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Blatch said: You completely ignored my central question: why do you care so much that Toonami takes marathon breaks? Any normal person would be happy to get a week without anime, because there's other stuff to do. toonami is usually an insomniac's block....what would people be doing at midnight anyways? aside from bar hopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Holy fuck, you ignored the central point again. I'll ask this one more time: Why are you so upset about Toonami marathons? How does it affect you? Edited December 18, 2018 by Blatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 6 hours ago, CountFrylock said: And Considering we're still using the nielsen system(something that probably tracks more old folks than actual toonami viewers)it's likely that none of our views matter we're just watching for the lulz and our viewership doesn't help anyone or anything so why continue to act like our views matter when they don't? it's all about that tiny box of nielsen viewers Everyone in the world should go out and burn the boxes out of protest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 21 hours ago, elfie said: "Experiment" is a word cowards use to justify a failure they themselves made. "It gets ruined once you know Reigen said it." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Giving a break to premieres in a whole month would actually be WORSE, because it would give viewers an even longer time and a bigger chance to wonder where the shows are, and seek to watch it elsewhere, further slimming down their viewership. Edited December 18, 2018 by elfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 hours ago, CountFrylock said: toonami is usually an insomniac's block....what would people be doing at midnight anyways? aside from bar hopping It briefly wasn't but it bloody is now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Blatch said: Holy fuck, you ignored the central point again. I'll ask this one more time: Why are you so upset about Toonami marathons? How does it affect you? I can see it being a major annoyance to those of don’t have anything special to do over the holidays or any time off from work. Especially if Toonami is one of the main things you have to look toward yo everyweek. That being said, I’m in that category, but I’m just going to use the time to play games and watch other things. I also don’t watch all my recorded Toonami in the weeks leading up. I save it to get me through the off time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 hours ago, brianycpht said: I can see it being a major annoyance to those of don’t have anything special to do over the holidays or any time off from work. Especially if Toonami is one of the main things you have to look toward yo everyweek. That being said, I’m in that category, but I’m just going to use the time to play games and watch other things. I also don’t watch all my recorded Toonami in the weeks leading up. I save it to get me through the off time this....i live in a fairly rural town so there's not much i can do(literally i have nothing to do this place is pretty boring)and the only change in my repetitive routine is when i get to go out to grab some groceries that's about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Well, I see it as different strokes for different folks. If you're in a more rural area, there probably isn't a lot to do, but you can go to places like the nearest bar, and maybe whatever recreation center (like a bowling alley) is nearest to you. What trips me up about this is the sheer amount of entertainment options available nowadays. You have so much anime to watch in places like Crunchyroll, HIDIVE, wherever Funimation is doing business right now, and even the more "traditional" places like Netflix. On top of that, does anyone know that Shonen Jump recently changed their whole business model so that you can read a lot of new manga chapters for free? And it only costs $2 a month to visit their entire archive of past reading material. That's kind of amazing, and nobody has any excuse to not afford it nowadays. Even though I think pretty much everyone with a job can afford CR and stuff (it's only $60 for a whole year paid at once; that's a trip to the grocery store for most people), it makes more sense to be excited for manga you can read any time and in any place instead of this bundle of cartoons delivered in an outdated way. If Toonami is the only way you consume anime, manga, and adjacent Japanese media, even though you have so many options available that are easy to access and pay for, you need to start diversifying. I might even make the jump to reading more manga soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 it's more about the sense of a community discussion than anything else...watching something alone is pretty pathetic as opposed to watching it with someone when watching toonami i know there are other people watching it right now....when I'm watching netflix i can't be sure how many people are watching what I'm watching right now and how much of an active discussion i could even get out of it is up in the air 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 If you'd like, you can seek out a community for just about any show, regardless of if it's airing new episodes. Just look at all the seasonal anime going on; if you like what you see on Toonami, you can try some of those shows out and talk with either us or anyone else on Twitter and otherwise about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 it's 2018 netflix exists and trying to gauge moves by nielsen ratings isn't a good idea anymore imagine if netflix told you that you couldn't use it simply because the date was a holiday.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Okay, now you're clearly just using this thread as an excuse to bitch. I'm not sure if anyone cares as much about the Nielsen system ruining everything as much as you. If I had my way, all talk even remotely relating to ratings would be banned, as well as most forms of speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Blatch said: Okay, now you're clearly just using this thread as an excuse to bitch. I'm not sure if anyone cares as much about the Nielsen system ruining everything as much as you. If I had my way, all talk even remotely relating to ratings would be banned, as well as most forms of speculation. ratings determine everything on toonami though...so banning anything relating to them would be extremely stupid why shouldn't anyone care about a very small group of people deciding what we like and what we don't like? Edited December 22, 2018 by CountFrylock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) Jason has said time and time again that the only people who should ever worry about ratings are the people who program TV shows. The Toonami crew will do whatever it takes to keep the shows on the air, so in that regard, there's nothing you need to do. And Tuner has said that they're trying to stick it to the man by not relying on the Nielsen system anymore, so that particular point isn't very accurate. All you need to do is watch the shows and enjoy them, and nothing else. Is that hard to understand? Edited December 22, 2018 by Blatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 when we're getting a marathon for a show that doesn't even have enough episodes yet to fill the entire block yeah that's hard to understand...if you have nothing else you can possibly marathon then why have a second marathon in a row that needs extra shows padded around it to fill the rest of the block? when toonami returns Megalo Box's momentum is gonna be completely shot and crippled nobody can deny that and anyone who suggests otherwise is just in denial 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, CountFrylock said: when we're getting a marathon for a show that doesn't even have enough episodes yet to fill the entire block The perfect transition from the 7-hour block to the 6-hour (despite Boruto being 5.5 hours worth of material at this point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 my god you're a whiny little bitch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, CountFrylock said: when we're getting a marathon for a show that doesn't even have enough episodes yet to fill the entire block And now you're shifting the argument back to the original point because you want any excuse to be a whiny fucking bitch. Welp, that's it. I'm not bothering with this thread anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Kuroko said: my god you're a whiny little bitch watch as Meglobox tanks and then demarco and crew wonder why that is.... you don't just premiere a show and then go on hiatus after it's aired just 2 episodes on the block which then puts it in an awkward position 3 weeks later where it's gone cold in terms of hype factor on the block 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Blatch said: And now you're shifting the argument back to the original point because you want any excuse to be a whiny fucking bitch. Welp, that's it. I'm not bothering with this thread anymore. i don't know why people like you feel like you gotta defend toonami's brainless decisions anyways... there's no logical reason to premiere shows in december none whatsoever...we all know the momentum's gonna be screwed by the double marathon's so why be in denial about it? what is the good side to this? there isn't and the fact you just tossed your hands up in the air and have given up shows it Edited December 23, 2018 by CountFrylock 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Okay, I'll post one more time. Marathons don't kill momentum. If they did, Toonami wouldn't air them as much. This year has actually had fewer marathons than any for Toonami in a long time, with none for Halloween and Thanksgiving as is usually tradition, but the block's ratings have crashed due to other outside factors. I've really got to stop investing so much energy into coercing a single person's opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, CountFrylock said: watch as Meglobox tanks and then demarco and crew wonder why that is.... you don't just premiere a show and then go on hiatus after it's aired just 2 episodes on the block which then puts it in an awkward position 3 weeks later where it's gone cold in terms of hype factor on the block I don't watch the block to begin with I have a DVR to pick and choose which shows I want to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, CountFrylock said: i don't know why people like you feel like you gotta defend toonami's brainless decisions anyways... there's no logical reason to premiere shows in december none whatsoever...we all know the momentum's gonna be screwed by the double marathon's so why be in denial about it? what is the good side to this? there isn't and the fact you just tossed your hands up in the air and have given up shows it god I wish these downvotes were real cause you need a vacation from here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 so you think megalo box airing 2 episodes and then not airing the third until 3 weeks later won't have a severe negative effect on it? you say marathon's don't kill the momentum but a marathon by its premise puts the block on pause for a couple weeks momentum doesn't pause with it that's not how momentum works you either keep it going or you don't 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Kuroko said: god I wish these downvotes were real cause you need a vacation from here As Reddit would say "Downvotes aren't to be used cause you disagree with someone's opinion" practically every subreddit scolds people who downvote simply cause they disagree or hate the person in question it's an abuse of the feature but i guess you didn't know that huh? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, CountFrylock said: As Reddit would say "Downvotes aren't to be used cause you disagree with someone's opinion" practically every subreddit scolds people who downvote simply cause they disagree or hate the person in question it's an abuse of the feature but i guess you didn't know that huh? this place ain't reddit but you need a fucking break no one cares about marathons except you why? no one gives a fuck about your reasoning's and if they did it would be more positive feedback and not this "throw that firebomb on him" cause so far all you've been doing since you came back from the nuthouse is bitching about how everything isn't about what you want now I'm going to look for some very crude memes and post them until you leave again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 if nobody cares about marathons then why do they exist? someone must care about them for them to even be a thing that actually happens because if nobody did care about them then that would mean not even toonami themselves care about the marathons and would not think about them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Kuroko said: tno one cares about marathons except you why? no one gives a fuck about your reasoning's and if they did it would be more positive feedback and not this "throw that firebomb on him" cause so far all you've been doing since you came back from the nuthouse is bitching about how everything isn't about what you want Yeah. I really don't get this user's methodology... do they keep posting nothing but but stuff because they become aroused by the negativity? I've already posted abstract proof that marathons don't cause Toonami's momentum to be shot. I could identify explicit examples, but I'm not going to, because doing that would require more energy than it took for the other person to start the argument, and I don't want to be beneath them. So therefore, if they're just casually ignoring my proof, I'm not going to bother correcting them, because it's clear that they are going to look for every single goddamn excuse to bring down the mood of everyone posting on these boards. The OP is probably a troll. I don't care about changing their mind anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Blatch said: The OP is probably a troll. I don't care about changing their mind anymore. Let this be a lesson: always ignore Ben Count Frylock, unless you wish to snark at them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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