The1gairon Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Hello? Anyone here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimationFan14 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, elfie said: Glad to see you back here! Glad I was able to catch the ending, did I miss a ton? I have some shrimp, you hungry :3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mochi said: and by Proxy super as it's canon with Super but sadly no it's considered Canon basically what I'm saying is Toriyama now claims classic Z isn't canon and Super is what's Canon This makes no sense. I mean I'm pretty sure Goku's origin was referenced in Super? Or it means he thinks he can get away with such a ridiculous retcon. And sure as hell does Super not supersede DB and Z in canon. Created by the original author as manga (before he went crazy), then adapted to anime. Super, made years after the fact, with I'm assuming minimal involvement of the original creator who lost his damn mind, as an original anime. No, just... no. Edited October 7, 2018 by ben0119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Just now, ben0119 said: This makes no sense. I mean I'm pretty sure Goku's origin was referenced in Super? And sure as hell does Super not supersede DB and Z in canon. Created by the original author as manga (before he went crazy), then adapted to anime. Super, made years after the fact, with I'm assuming minimal involvement of the original creator who lost his damn mind, as an original anime. No, just... no. Super was MOSTLY written by "toyotaro" a man who made a bunch of GT fancomics and learned how to mimmick Toriyama's style Toriyama named Toyotaro as his successor meaning he's deferring control of his series and all of it's canon to Toyotaro so really the question is do you accept DBZ the way Toriyama wrote it, or do you choose to consider a glorified fan work(super) as Canon just because Toriyama gave him the rights to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Delaclease said: I just have a bit of a hard time watching this show. Just bugs me. Only around 30 more episodes of crap before the good stuff, hang in there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, mochi said: Super was MOSTLY written by "toyotaro" a man who made a bunch of GT fancomics and learned how to mimmick Toriyama's style Toriyama named Toyotaro as his successor meaning he's deferring control of his series and all of it's canon to Toyotaro so really the question is do you accept DBZ the way Toriyama wrote it, or do you choose to consider a glorified fan work(super) as Canon just because Toriyama gave him the rights to it I thought that guy just did the Super manga, which isn't canon as far as I know. I thought the anime came first, and the manga changed things. Either way, probably no, I wouldn't accept Super as canon in that case, lol. Edited October 7, 2018 by ben0119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that Kamehameha's don't even mildly injure people anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, Daos said: Is anyone else annoyed by the fact that Kamehameha's don't even mildly injure people anymore? I thought it depended on the amount of power used? Takes a lot to vaporize somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, ben0119 said: I thought it depended on the amount of power used? Takes a lot to vaporize somebody. Nah in Super even full power Kamehameha's to the face will only mildly bruise you. They Fairytailed this thing, no blood allowed either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Daos said: Nah in Super even full power Kamehameha's to the face will only mildly bruise you. They Fairytailed this thing, no blood allowed either. Well that sucks. Booooo! And yeah you're right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 10 hours ago, mochi said: Super was MOSTLY written by "toyotaro" a man who made a bunch of GT fancomics and learned how to mimmick Toriyama's style Toriyama named Toyotaro as his successor meaning he's deferring control of his series and all of it's canon to Toyotaro so really the question is do you accept DBZ the way Toriyama wrote it, or do you choose to consider a glorified fan work(super) as Canon just because Toriyama gave him the rights to it Long-running franchises are more likely to be taken over by former fans who got boosted to a successor. Just look at Star Wars with the new writers and directors... hell Disney has done it COUNTLESS times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, ben0119 said: I thought that guy just did the Super manga, which isn't canon as far as I know. I thought the anime came first, and the manga changed things. Either way, probably no, I wouldn't accept Super as canon in that case, lol. Toriyama gave rough outlines to Toei about what each arc should consist of but didn't actually write anything beyond that and Toyotaro and a bunch of other writers filled in the blanks, Toyotaro's manga represents what the series would have been like had he not had to make concessions to the rest of Toei's writers so Basically if it was up to Toyotaro Vegeta would have been even more useless and Goku would have been even more evil to elaborate in the Manga all the wins Vegeta had in that U6 vs. U7 arc were declared invalid by Whis (he won the battle with Auta magetta by insulting Magetta at the start of the fight causing magetta to forfeit immediately, they didn't even battle in the manga) and in the manga, that scene where Goku says he wasn't there for his kid's births and doesn't understand why Vegeta wants to be was even worse, with him saying he DELIBERATELY avoided Chichi when she gave birth to both of their sons, and that he has no idea how old either of his sons are, Vegeta then tells him to his face he's a horrible father Edited October 7, 2018 by mochi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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