mochi Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'm hearing a lot of negative stuff about this show from both sides of the political equasion on one hand it's apparently extremely sexualized which weirds out puritanical conservaitives, and it's apparently also....arguably slightly homophobic apperently some webloids did a report about having read the Pilot script, long story short kevin is a complete bitchy Slut with Homophobic parents(which is the opposite of how he is in the comics, in the comics he's quite collected and has a normal sex drive and his parents are totally okay with him being gay) occording to the article he "loves Drama" is "sarcastic and bored" (aka bitchy) and his establishing scene is him surfing grindr for anonymous sex then deciding to watch Gay porn with Betty, who is his straight girl BFF when he decides none of the guys are fuckable....also apperently he reads Veronica the riot act on her trying to make him her "pet homosexual" which is rather hypocritical considering that's what he is to Betty from the sound of it (in the comics his 3 part introduction is Veronica first thinking he's gorgeous and trying to date him, then him politely telling her he's gay, then she sees him hanging out with Jughead and IMMEDIATELY assumes Jughead is gay, so kevin tells her Jughead isn't gay and that he and Jughead are just friends, then the third part is her trying to make him her Gay bff pet homosexual, to which he replies (politely) that she's being a jerk and should stop, so she does) also Jughead is apparently straight (he's been confirmed as asexual in the comics) but in their defense riverdale's writers said that him being straight was an oversight because Archies had not given them the information that jughead was ace when they wrote season 1, and that he will probably be asexual in season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 it premiers tonight at 9 if anyone is (for some reason) interested to see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 This was the perfect amount of awful. I'm not sure I can handle continuing with HTGAWM given the episodes I've seen of season 3 weren't just bad nonsense, but kinda boring at the same time. This might be the perfect replacement. Specifically, this was kind of a trainwreck of an episode. Conflicts seemed to hit their peaks within the season premiere of all things and that's without mentioning how melodramatic or silly the bulk of them were, virtually every interaction was either hammy or forced, the dialogue was largely cringe-inducing, and entire scenes would amount to being laughably stupid (especially the ones involving the teacher or the ones with Betsy's mom). It did have some nice cinematography, though. Nothing incredible, but it was generally nice to look at. That's about the best I've got for a compliment without backhandedness is concerned. Overall, I did enjoy it in the same way I enjoyed the first couple seasons of HTGAWM, being the awful yet fun to watch variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 This was the perfect amount of awful. I'm not sure I can handle continuing with HTGAWM given the episodes I've seen of season 3 weren't just bad nonsense, but kinda boring at the same time. This might be the perfect replacement. Specifically, this was kind of a trainwreck of an episode. Conflicts seemed to hit their peaks within the season premiere of all things and that's without mentioning how melodramatic or silly the bulk of them were, virtually every interaction was either hammy or forced, the dialogue was largely cringe-inducing, and entire scenes would amount to being laughably stupid (especially the ones involving the teacher or the ones with Betsy's mom). It did have some nice cinematography, though. Nothing incredible, but it was generally nice to look at. That's about the best I've got for a compliment without backhandedness is concerned. Overall, I did enjoy it in the same way I enjoyed the first couple seasons of HTGAWM, being the awful yet fun to watch variety. I watched half the ep then learned of the events of the remainder via spoilers what I know, is that, concerning Kevin Keller, the Stereotypical aspects of Kevin's character were massively toned down from the Pilot script....and he STILL manages to be stereotypical despite that fact, he was apperently loud, bitchy, had homophobic parents, was a complete slut who let older men he met on Grindr fuck him, and watched Gay porn with his straight girl BFF Betty in the pilot script, all of that was removed in favor of making him SLIGHTLY more like his comic counterpart....his entire character however seems to be based around him lusting after Archie while pretending to be rooting for him and Betty to get together in the final though also supposedly Moose fucked him (moose is straight in the Comics and has a girlfriend) and they made Ms. Grundy young, and made Archie fuck her.....which considering what she looks like in the comics is DISGUSTING! also my judgement of thinking it was HTGAWM were dead wrong it's Twin Peaks, the writers even flat out admitted that the story was a rip-off of Twin Peaks some other interesting factoids the writers have Stated that Kevin is not an important character in season 1, but due to his popularity in the comic fanbase, will make him an extremely important character in season 2, they have also stated that they will not kill him off(the cw keeps getting in trouble for randomly killing all the gay characters in their shows so everyone was expecting them to kill Kevin) additionally they will be making it clear that Jughead is asexual (like he is in the comics) in season 2 (that said since the announcement that he is ace he has begun jokingly flirting with Kevin (who is now his absolute best friend) in the comics) also Sabrina the Teenage witch is joining the cast in season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Oh certainly. It's Twin Peaks with HTGAWM writing, but the HTGAWM comparison was completely valid. The shows are both equally tacky and poorly handled. Twin Peaks was an intuitive inspiration in nearly every respect, they even copied the road sign down to the design. I absolutely didn't think the episode was 'good', it was an entertaining bad at best. Any time it crossed my mind that it might be better than HTGAWM from a quality standpoint, it would immediately do something amazingly stupid that I'm sure was intended to be serious. The plot twists weren't as fun as HTGAWM, but it made up for it with unintentionally funny drama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 Oh certainly. It's Twin Peaks with HTGAWM writing, but the HTGAWM comparison was completely valid. The shows are both equally tacky and poorly handled. Twin Peaks was an intuitive inspiration in nearly every respect, they even copied the road sign down to the design. I absolutely didn't think the episode was 'good', it was an entertaining bad at best. Any time it crossed my mind that it might be better than HTGAWM from a quality standpoint, it would immediately do something amazingly stupid that I'm sure was intended to be serious. The plot twists weren't as fun as HTGAWM, but it made up for it with unintentionally funny drama. ironically the show was originally pitched as a sitcom back in the 90's and was meant to be a spin-off of the Melissa Joan Hart Sabrina the teenage witch show a network finally picked it up in 2015, but with Archies trying to be edgy it got retooled as a "Drama" and became a tacky HTGAWMish twin peaks plagiarism also having watched the remainder it sucks that the closest Kevin has gotten to getting laid is a closeted jock who won't kiss him(and it got interrupted by them finding a dead body anyway) but yeah it wasn't as awful as I assumed it'd be....I mean it was but it was actually watchable if the cw and Archies lied and they really do Kill Kevin I'll be livid with rage though.....Cw's gotta stop writing Gay characters as expendable red-shirts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 This idea just sounds terrible all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 This idea just sounds terrible all around. It is a train wreck. I'll keep torrenting it, though, because I need more trainwreck shows. I had fun with this kind of terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I haven't decided if I'll give it a shot yet. Adding in Sabrina during the first season would have definitely pulled me in though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 I haven't decided if I'll give it a shot yet. Adding in Sabrina during the first season would have definitely pulled me in though. part of me wants to keep watching it just to see how awful Kevin ends up being and if they kill off him or his boyfriend (as is the norm in CW series) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 It is a train wreck. I'll keep torrenting it, though, because I need more trainwreck shows. I had fun with this kind of terrible. Oh, is this a special kind of terrible, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Oh, is this a special kind of terrible, then? Not sure about special, as it isn't as bad as your Manos: The Hands of Fates or The Rooms, but the dialogue and delivery are impressively bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 Not sure about special, as it isn't as bad as your Manos: The Hands of Fates or The Rooms, but the dialogue and delivery are impressively bad. basically it's like if a teenager watched Will & Grace, Twin peaks, and Glee, and did a 3 way crossover between those things using the characters from Archie comics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Not sure about special, as it isn't as bad as your Manos: The Hands of Fates or The Rooms, but the dialogue and delivery are impressively bad. That's special enough to warrant my getting drunk while watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 wow Kevin is literally awful he's incapable of starting a conversation without mentioning he's gay in his opening statement...**sigh** basically he's like what you guys all think I'm like (but better looking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 wow Kevin is literally awful he's incapable of starting a conversation without mentioning he's gay in his opening statement...**sigh** basically he's like what you guys all think I'm like (but better looking) To be fair, all the characters are literally awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 To be fair, all the characters are literally awful. true it just enrages me that they made him literally too awful to be likable his Comic self was completely likeable, he was a happy well adjusted Gay boy who loved himself and had confidence (despite seeming to be the only openly Gay student in his school), and he later found a boyfriend CW Kevin Hates himself has homophobic parents hates on other students for not being openly Gay or Bi, and thinks he's literally the center of the universe I also have developed a theory that CW Kevin isn't actually gay but pretending to be and might be the actual murderer.....I have a reason for this theory which I will put under a spoiler this show is largely trying to compete with slasher dramas on other networks.....and Scream Queens actually did this, Nick Jonas's character is introduced as Gay in almost the exact same manner as CW Kevin....then he fakes his own death, later he is revealed to be one of the killers....and it is also revealed that he is not really Gay , so it's possible CW Kevin is not gay, but pretending to be for some nefarious purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Do I need to watch the Archie version of Twin Peaks when Showtime has the actual Twin Peaks? Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 true it just enrages me that they made him literally too awful to be likable his Comic self was completely likeable, he was a happy well adjusted Gay boy who loved himself and had confidence (despite seeming to be the only openly Gay student in his school), and he later found a boyfriend CW Kevin Hates himself has homophobic parents hates on other students for not being openly Gay or Bi, and thinks he's literally the center of the universe I also have developed a theory that CW Kevin isn't actually gay but pretending to be and might be the actual murderer.....I have a reason for this theory which I will put under a spoiler this show is largely trying to compete with slasher dramas on other networks.....and Scream Queens actually did this, Nick Jonas's character is introduced as Gay in almost the exact same manner as CW Kevin....then he fakes his own death, later he is revealed to be one of the killers....and it is also revealed that he is not really Gay , so it's possible CW Kevin is not gay, but pretending to be for some nefarious purpose I am so glad that I dropped Scream Queens early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 Do I need to watch the Archie version of Twin Peaks when Showtime has the actual Twin Peaks? Just saying. I actually intend to watch them side by side at some point and start comparing scenes to see how much of Twin Peaks riverdale blatantly copies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 I am so glad that I dropped Scream Queens early. in the show's defense it was supposed to be a mean Spirited/semi-affectionate Parody of homophobic 1980's horror movies, but yeah it was Trash, and the Nick Jonas thing wasn't the only homophobic thing in the show, there was also a character literally named "Predatory Lesbian" and she's among one of the characters who gets killed early in the story Frankly though Scream Queen's creator (the same guy who did Glee and American horror Story) seems incapable of making a show without making it as Homophobic and steteotypical as possible, which considering he IS gay is weird, either he's extremely self depricating or he's like Milo Yappypoodle and hates his own kind to be fair he did make ONE show that was not deliberately Homophobic or Stereotypical(it still did have a vague air of stereotyping though), a shortlived show called "the New normal" which got cancelled after one season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Man, what a terrible second episode. Like, that was worse than the first, but somehow I think I liked it more for really pushing the boundaries on how bad it can get and how quickly it could do so. My favorite part was toward the end with the football game where you find out halfway through the scene that it's supposed to be raining because someone with an umbrella says it's raining even though it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 8, 2017 Author Share Posted February 8, 2017 Man, what a terrible second episode. Like, that was worse than the first, but somehow I think I liked it more for really pushing the boundaries on how bad it can get and how quickly it could do so. My favorite part was toward the end with the football game where you find out halfway through the scene that it's supposed to be raining because someone with an umbrella says it's raining even though it isn't. agree'd Veronica Buys Betty a lesbian Bouquet and says it's a symbol of "friendship" Kevin whines because he finds out Moose (a homophobic jock who propsitioned him then lured him out into a dark lake) has a girlfriend, and denies Bisexuality is a thing( he's a Biphobe, something Comic Kevin is not) and tells Veronica she has no idea what it's like to be opressed (even though she's Latina for the purposes of the show) and pisses her off(there's bonus reasons this scene is terrible, I'll explain why in a spoiler) in kevin's intro in the comics is similar....except he's in the right and doesn't say anything Biphobic, long story short, after finding out he's gay Veronica does a WHOOOLE bunch of mean stereotypical things to him (because Comic Veronica is actually a bitch), Kevin is VERY patient with her, up to a point, he eventually finally gets really mad at her and tells her she's being a jerk, she apologises and tries not to stereotype him from that moment onwards, she still does though, just less so (Kevin's boyfriend Devon (who does not exist in riverdale) appears to still hate her , case in point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I want to say I took his pissiness at the jock having a girlfriend being that the jock is taken, but then again he was pretty shitty to him, plus my friend and ai were busy laughing at horrible lines to catch every line of dialogue, so I'd have go back over those scenes to see for sure. To be fair, they're really pushing a Veronica/Betty romance. They even had a kissing scene between them in the first episode. I get the feeling they'll shoot themselves in the foot by having a bizarre trilpe-love triangle with Betty choosing between Veronica and Archie, Veronica picking between Archie and Betyy, and... Archie picking between Veronica and.... the teacher. The scene where Jughead and Archie agreed that they definitely aren't gay for each other had hilariously more romantic chemistry than Archie and any woman, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 **in hysterical laughter** OH-HO MY GOD EVERY EPISODE GETS WORRRRRSSSSEEEE!!!! > Kevin was thankfully silent but here's a rundown Chuck Clayton one of RIverdale's only Black Students turned out to be an abuser of women who gets girls to have sex with him then calls them sluts on social media Betty investigates and finds out he's done it to tons of girls, as did Jason Blossom, and they have a play book they find the play book AND THEN BETTY DRESSES UP AS HER SISTER ROOFIES CLAYTON, AND TORTURES HIM INTO A CONFESSION BY HOLDING HIM UNDER SCALDING WATER CALLING HIM JASON AND REFFERING TO HERSELF BY HER SISTER'S NAME!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Finally got to watch the third episode. We resorted to a legal method which meant a bunch of shitty ads that made it less fun to watch. The maple syrup thing was genuinely one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a show attempt to pass off as serious drama. And did they photoshop it onto the picture of Veronica or did they somehow get it all over her face without her noticing? God, this whole episode felt very irrelevant (compared to he rest of it) and even progressively dumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 Finally got to watch the third episode. We resorted to a legal method which meant a bunch of shitty ads that made it less fun to watch. The maple syrup thing was genuinely one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a show attempt to pass off as serious drama. And did they photoshop it onto the picture of Veronica or did they somehow get it all over her face without her noticing? God, this whole episode felt very irrelevant (compared to he rest of it) and even progressively dumber. evidently, the Sticky maple thing was a reference to a page on Urban dictionary describing a(probably fictional) sex act, cw's censors obviously didn't know that which is how it got in and ep 4 is worse.... due primarily to AWFUL writing making it accidentally look like Kevin was trying to hook up with Veronica sexually (I actually sent an anonymous ask to one of the show's writers because I was worried they were trying to ret-con Kevin as Straight or Bi and she said "no, Kevin and Veronica are just friends nothing else") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 in episode 7 Veronica calls Kevin "her gay" and then he grinds on her in a nightclub so we've basically reached the point where we're SURE cw Kevin is NOT Gay and wants to fuck Veronica and she's basically the only person who still thinks he's gay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 in episode 7 Veronica calls Kevin "her gay" and then he grinds on her in a nightclub so we've basically reached the point where we're SURE cw Kevin is NOT Gay and wants to fuck Veronica and she's basically the only person who still thinks he's gay So, the love subplot in Kick Ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 So, the love subplot in Kick Ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I opted to watch the rest of the first season as a way of procrastinating on Game of Thrones. I think I had more fun this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 So basically, this series is Twin Peaks if the Nadine shit was the entire series? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 So basically, this series is Twin Peaks if the Nadine shit was the entire series? K Yes, but without Nadine's charm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 So basically, this series is Twin Peaks if the Nadine shit was the entire series? K and without BOB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 and without BOB It did, however, have the ultimate cliffhanger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 It did, however, have the ultimate cliffhanger. what, you mean Archie's dad dieing? all I really cared was that they turned Kevin into an ambiguously Bi Kurt Hummel S: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 what, you mean Archie's dad dieing? all I really cared was that they turned Kevin into an ambiguously Bi Kurt Hummel S: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 that wasn't a Twist, anyone who watched Twin Peaks could've told you the dad did it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 that wasn't a Twist, anyone who watched Twin Peaks could've told you the dad did it I think you're missing the joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 I think you're missing the joke. oh, right, his name is Cliff isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 oh, right, his name is Cliff isn't it "It was the ultinate cliffhanger" was the actual first line of the finale, in direct reference to it. It's beautifully stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 "It was the ultinate cliffhanger" was the actual first line of the finale, in direct reference to it. It's beautifully stupid. I honestly feel like Riverdale's writing staff were trying to write a horrible show highlights of the Pilot script (which didn't make it into the final episode) included Kevin (who is I assume 15 since he's 15 in the comics) trying to use Grindr to hook up with adult men, then deciding to go "watch gay porn with Betty" when it didn't work out and apparently there was a leak early on that implied Archie killed somebody, which also never happened interestingly enough there was supposedly a scrapped Storyline where Kevin was closeted because his dad was Homophobic and THAT'S why his Dynamic with Veronica was semi-romantic in the final show, they scrapped the closet storyline but didn't re-write any of the other elements of said storyline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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