CaptainStarwind

I wouldn't worry too much about the Toonami ratings. Adult Swim is almost certain to be down overall for the entire night, so I'm sure Toonami won't get the blame.

If people don't want to accept Super as canon to the rest of the Dragon Ball universe, then there's nothing saying that they have to. Sure, Toriyama can dictate the story than he wants and set his own canon in the universe, but that doesn't mean people have to accept it. The Dragon Ball universe is fictional, and if people don't want to accept Super as a part of it, they can just ignore it. The same goes for really any other universe. At the end of the day, canon is determined by each individual person, rather than by the person who created the work. That's my take on it, anyway.

So tell me, do you stay up to watch AOT reruns? Because it sounds to me like you're just bitching in order to bitch.

My girlfriend has relatives down there as well, so I hope they got/get out safe... We really shouldn't worry so much how the hurricane is going to affect Toonami ratings. There's gonna be a dip, I'm sure, but everyone knows it will be from the hurricane, so Toonami shouldn't need to worry. And to be honest, I don't really blame the evacuees if they don't feel like turning Toonami on in their hotels or at their relatives' houses. I"m sure they have more pressing matters to deal with.

I'm honestly really ambivalent about him. To me, he's really just kinda "there". I don't really think about where he came from or how Bulma knows him, because I learned that putting thought into the "why" questions of Dragon Ball Super will just lead to me being even more confused and dissatisfied.

I actually wouldn't mind that, to be completely honest. I prefer Toonami starting later in the night. 11:30 was really pushing it for me, but 11:00 is too early.

The management at Adult Swim is apparently satisfied with what Toonami is getting, otherwise the block wouldn't have expanded, even if that expansion was later into the night. If the ratings were bad enough to cancel the block, we would have seen something, anything by now. But we haven't seen anything. Admittedly, the possibility exists that Toonami's expansion may lead to the block losing hours on the front end, but that has yet to be determined. DeMarco, for all his faults, loves the block, and doesn't want to see it die. If the block really is in danger of cancellation, he'll do his damndest to keep it afloat. That's enough for me to not be too concerned about ratings or cancellation.

Quotes like this make me wonder if you ever take anything seriously, or if you're completely incapable of it. Regardless, Bebop is currently sitting as the second to last show on the block. If you seriously think its going to damage ratings there, then nothing I say will make much of a difference convincing you otherwise.

You don't need ratings to access shows. Besides, it isn't like your or any of our opinions on the matter would mean anything. DeMarco will program Toonami how he sees fit. He's made that abundantly clear in the past, and I don't expect that to change any time in the future. Ratings, especially in this day and age, don't really matter for a block like Toonami. Part of me does agree with Blatch, though. Sometimes it would do the Toonami fandom better not to see the ratings for the block. It leads to a lot of unnecessary fighting and trolling. On the other hand, it's also led to a lot of decent discussions about how the block can improve. It's a mixed bag, I guess.

Since yesterday: Steins;Gate Episodes 12 - 19 Stardust Crusaders Episodes 2 - 5 Tokyo Ghoul Episodes 17 - 20 Dragon Ball Super Episode 28 I'm starting to play a bit of catchup with a lot of the Toonami shows; August was busy for me and I really haven't been able to watch the block since July. As for Steins;Gate, the series got me at a really good part, and I've just been watching a lot of it. Should have it finished by the end of the week at this rate.

Hajime no Ippo probably would have suffered the same fate as Prince of Tennis if it had aired on Toonami. The truth of the matter is that sports anime just aren't popular in the US.

Yeah, pretty much this. GXP almost certainly soured them on anything Tenchi.

So now that Bebop is back on Toonami, do you think Ranlsa is going to show back up?

Baka and Test Episode 7 Steins;Gate Episode 11 Revolutionary Girl Utena Episode 6 Of all the things I expected from Utena, filler was not one of them... I feel as though I should have expected it, though.

Better than wasting money on HD tapes for a show that will never air. I mean, you can argue that they shouldn't have spent money on it in the first place, but they did, so might as well make the best of the situation.

You know... I'm not actually mad about this. To be honest, I'm happy about it, actually. Sure, Bebop was overplayed in the past, but it's been off the air for two and a half years, and it's in the dead last slot on Toonami. I know some people won't be happy about this, but Bebop rejoining Toonami isn't harming anything. They probably wouldn't have gotten the slot back unless it was returning anyway, and if they did, it would have just been home to either a Big O rerun or GITS season 2. On top of that, remember that they DID still pay for those HD tapes back in 2014. They've been sitting around gathering dust for two years, and not airing them would be a waste of the investment. So bring on the Bebop, I say.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who enjoyed when Toonami would pick up the more obscure stuff! Maybe Toonami's lack of lower key shows is why it hasn't felt the same to me for the past year or so. And thank you for the compliment I've been in a really depressed mood the past week or so and even something as simple as that makes me feel happier.

Wow, these ratings...could be better. At this point, Toonami has to do something. Super losing 300k from Family Guy can't be completely attributed to the fight, especially since it didn't start at 11, from what I've seen. It also can't be completely attributed to the hurricane in Texas, so that means it's entirely due to the show itself. Super possibly losing it's topicals may be a sign that Adult Swim is losing faith in the show. If that's the case, it's time to move it back. If Toei won't allow it, then they should get rid of the show. It's better than being stuck under Toei's thumb, that's for sure. I agree with everything Blatch has said. Looking at all that's happened since the beginning of 2017, I can't just say that Adult Swim making stupid scheduling decisions is to blame; the Toonami crew has to be responsible for some of it. Changes need to be made there, lest 2018, if not sooner, turn out to be another slashing of the block. Here are my suggestions: 1. Return of fan input. One of the cool things about Toonami when it was first revived was that fans really did, in a way, have a say about what was going on with the block. Sure, it may not have been a major say, but it was a say, and it definitely helped them to make show choices and gauge what people wanted to see. This kind of thing has really dried up the last couple of years, and especially after DeMarco got rid of his ask.fm. Any fan input Toonami has been getting seems to either be getting ignored, or is coming from a smaller base of fans. Blatch is entirely correct when he says Toonami needs to do another Manipulate the Manual event: they should make a promo for it, and give it lots of airtime, during both Toonami proper, and during regular Adult Swim hours. It shouldn't be too hard, with the possible loss of the Super topicals. Don't ask people for specific shows, but ask them what kinds of things they wanna see: comedic action or serious action? Dark and gritty, or bright and cartoony? Realistic, or more fantastical. Have people respond in some way other than social media: it can be as simple as going to Toonami's website, typing out what you want to see, and submitting it that way. That's a better way than gauging fan interest from the few people who still follow the Tumblr. And getting to that... 2. End the Tumblr. It was good for Toonami to have a Tumblr at first, especially since they always answered fan questions and made show announcements there. But ever since they stopped doing Q&A sessions on Tumblr, all it's become is a place to post random gifs of shows that may have been on Toonami on one point. They have somebody manning that page, posting gifs there, for the 30-40 people that actually check the Tumblr. A waste of resources, if you ask me. Why not move that staff member to something more productive, like a Toonami Twitter account? I did a quick search and it looks like there is an official Toonami Twitter...only they used it for reposting Tumblr gifs and haven't updated it in a year and a half. I guess it ties back in with my point above, but having a Twitter for people to ask Toonami questions, even if all the questions don't get answered, is a far better use of time and money than posting gifs. 3. More promotion. Toonami has never really been any good at promoting their shows. At first, they didn't want to even give promotion for a show before it premiered: "You have to watch the block to see what shows are on!" That was annoying. I can still remember how mad DeMarco was at a schedule site for spoiling Soul Eater's premiere. Then, we moved to promos the week before a show premieres. Okay, not perfect, but something. Now, we get confirmation of shows a while out, then a complete lack of promotion until the week before, then the show premieres. That's completely unacceptable. You need to build hype for show premieres nowadays; waiting until the week before a show premieres isn't going to work out anymore. The Season 5 premiere of Samurai Jack had the best hype I've seen for anything Toonami related since the whole #BringBackToonami days of 2012. Sure, we got that teaser in 2015, but once the show was confirmed, we got had teasers airing throughout Adult Swim and Toonami. We got not one, not two, but three promos, each of them airing all throughout the week for over a month. The hype behind Samurai Jack was huge, and it paid off: the first run of the show was an success in ratings. While the return of Samurai Jack definitely played a large part in that, I doubt the ratings would have been as good if the show wasn't as hyped as it was. 4. Do something different. This is the way Toonami picks up shows right now: an anime gets really popular ----> Toonami waits until show gets exported to US ---> Toonami waits until show is in their price range ---> Toonami picks up show ---> Toonami acts shocked when show isn't a mega hit. Now, this isn't the case for every show on Toonami, but this is definitely something that happens. We live in an age where you can find pretty much any anime you want online, subbed or dubbed, for free. Even if you don't stream illegally or pirate shows, it's still cheap enough to get a subscription to a streaming service and watch there. And with Netflix and other services gobbling up rights to shows, Toonami can't compete by airing shows that were once really popular. One suggestion that has been thrown around, and one that I really like, is that Toonami should make a deal with Funimation to put some of their simuldub premieres on the block. This is, of course, a lot more risky than going with a series known to be popular, and it definitely has the potential to fail. It's a risk, however, that I think Toonami should take. It has the potential to net them some great ratings, especially if it's a simuldub. I think another suggestion for Toonami would be to dip into some more obscure series. One of the things I really did like about the early years of Toonami was that, because they had a limited budget, they had to pick up some series that they would have otherwise overlooked. Some of them did well, others... not so much. But despite that, it brought show diversity to the block, it helped keep things a little different. Toonami still does this a bit (Lupin III is a good example), but I think they should look into doing it more. Now I obviously don't suggest running shows like this at the top of the block, but I think Toonami could attract some more dedicated viewers to stay into the later hours of the block by airing the series there. Toonami could also pick up some of their older/Cartoon Network Toonami shows. This would also be something that would definitely be for the later hours of the block, and it isn't something I would suggest doing all the time. But it would be nice to see a classic Toonami show come back on every once and a while. Those are my suggestions on how to help the block overall.

Honestly I watched National Treasure instead of the fight or Toonami last Saturday. As of yet, I don't regret that decision.

It was just the style of the times, I think. If I put on my tinfoil cap for a minute, though, I could really go out on a limb and say that a lot of shows did this intentionally in order to try and seem more appealing to western audiences. Maybe. I dunno. On an unrelated note, I'm a bit intrigued but that last one, and after a quick TVTropes search, I'll be putting that on my list of shows to watch.

Revolutionary Girl Utena Episode 4 Steins;Gate Episode 7 Can somebody with more MAL experience tell me if there is a way to update my signature when I list episodes as watched? Because the only way to currently do it is to go in and edit it, which gets repetitive.

The only shows since the Toonami revival that I've felt really no motivation to watch were Tenchi Muyo GXP, Beware the Batman, and Dragon Ball Super. I thought all the other shows were okay, though admittedly a lot of them weren't for Toonami.

I, too, never though the day would actually where I would say "Why can't GT be canon instead."