Insipid Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: So, when the same box is posted elsewhere on the web along with a statement that it contains a bubble gum card, that's all the AI will answer with. Nevermind any of what's actually inside. Well, I guess I'll continue this. Surely, you can come up with a better scenario. I have a box. Something is in it. I know you have no idea what is in it, but can you explain to me why that is? ChatGPT: As an AI language model, I don't have access to any sensory information or data outside of what is provided to me through language inputs. Therefore, I have no way of knowing what is in the box or any information about the box itself unless you provide that information to me. Even if I were given some information about the box, such as its dimensions or weight, it would still be impossible for me to determine what is inside without additional information. In other words, my understanding is limited to the information provided to me through text-based questions and inputs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Von Moo Moo Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 minute ago, atomicinumatt said: You flip a fair coin once. All you can say before it lands is that there is a Bernoulli random variable for whether the coin will be heads or tails. It is probability, and is the most you can say. It is not a guess nor is it knowing. So, your AI is just like any other computerized system, only responding with whatever is put into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: Or, it's just going to guess, judging only by similar boxes found already on the web, which is the general pattern it exhibits. I mean, that's really all you do, too, except it's AM radio instead of the internet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicinumatt Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: So, your AI is just like any other computerized system, only responding with whatever is put into it. In a very watered down sense, yes, an AI is only going to train on the data you feed it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Von Moo Moo Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Insipid said: Well, I guess I'll continue this. Surely, you can come up with a better scenario. I have a box. Something is in it. I know you have no idea what is in it, but can you explain to me why that is? ChatGPT: As an AI language model, I don't have access to any sensory information or data outside of what is provided to me through language inputs. Therefore, I have no way of knowing what is in the box or any information about the box itself unless you provide that information to me. Even if I were given some information about the box, such as its dimensions or weight, it would still be impossible for me to determine what is inside without additional information. In other words, my understanding is limited to the information provided to me through text-based questions and inputs. So, you're making my point for me. It has no authoritative answers of its own. At least it admits so. The answer it gave here would have been nut shelled ten years ago. "Insufficient data..." Edited February 18, 2023 by Walter Von Moo Moo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Posted 11 hours ago 100+ Replies 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Von Moo Moo Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Seight said: Posted 11 hours ago 100+ Replies Well? This AI demonstration also shows that the web itself is neither all knowing nor infallible. The only people who really know what is in the box are those who have personally opened it. The web and AI can not be accurate in either confirming or denying it. But, you guys... Just carry on forever about, "Herp Derp! It's not on the web, so it isn't real!" Or, Duh huh! This guy over here on a blog who never opened the box says there's a tennis ball and a collection of soup cans in it, so that's the only fact I'll accept. Never mind anyone who opened it, that's just anecdotal!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_annoying_one Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: Well? This AI demonstration also shows that the web itself is neither all knowing nor infallible. The only people who really know what is in the box are those who have personally opened it. The web and AI can not be accurate in either confirming or denying it. But, you guys... Just carry on forever about, "Herp Derp! It's not on the web, so it isn't real!" Or, Duh huh! This guy over here on a blog who never opened the box says there's a tennis ball and a collection of soup cans in it, so that's the only fact I'll accept. Never mind anyone who opened it, that's just anecdotal!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Von Moo Moo Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, The_annoying_one said: Is it even mine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_annoying_one Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: Is it even mine? Does the box actually belong to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Von Moo Moo Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, The_annoying_one said: Does the box actually belong to anyone? Right, like where is it? How old is it? Has anyone been seen with it? How was it photograhed and by whom? Does it still exist at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_annoying_one Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: Right, like where is it? How old is it? Has anyone been seen with it? How was it photograhed and by whom? Does it still exist at all? 4 pages of discussion over what is or isn’t in a box that may or may not even exist. Meh….not like I have anything else going on tonight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Von Moo Moo Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, The_annoying_one said: 4 pages of discussion over what is or isn’t in a box that may or may not even exist. Meh….not like I have anything else going on tonight. So go most discussions in which one side only accepts web based "evidence" from "champions" who know even less about the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_annoying_one Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: So go most discussions in which one side only accepts web based "evidence" from "champions" who know even less about the subject. I accept nothing about anything from any side. I’m just here to shitpost away another Friday night. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Von Moo Moo Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, The_annoying_one said: I accept nothing about anything from any side. I’m just here to shitpost away another Friday night. I'll see the results later. I'm gonna shut down and see whether I can have another lucid dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicinumatt Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 56 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: Well? This AI demonstration also shows that the web itself is neither all knowing nor infallible. OMG the most profound and far reaching statement I have ever heard.. Your statement equates to "humans do not know everything". Congrats, you are an omnipotent genius. You do know that ChatGTP is a chat bot? It is meant for conversation. It is not all knowing. It is not a solution to everything, or many things. As a person who works on building things like this and has been heavily involved in acadimia and the industry, it saddens me that we spend so much time toiling away only for people like you to come along haha but all is well. A professor I worked with when I was a doctoral candidate used to love people like you, who would challenge him to make things more elegant and more easy to disseminate. Apologies, I got bored and had some drinks and am a bit buzzed on the sofa.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicinumatt Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 32 minutes ago, Walter Von Moo Moo said: I'll see the results later. I'm gonna shut down and see whether I can have another lucid dream. See if you can lucid dream? Not hard. Just habituate doing reality checks and actually testing whether what you are experiencing is illusion or not. It is fairly mundane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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