Did anyone else ever see Luke Skywalker as gay?

[ben0119]

I did.  The only interactions of a romantic nature he has with a woman that we know of his is own fucking sister, of which he is awkward and bumbling as fuck.  Sure, you can chalk it up to lack of experience, but I dunno'.  Then, in Jedi, he seemingly has become a celibate Jedi, or... just has no romantic interest.  I didn't know asexual was a thing back then, so I'd just be like, yeah... Luke's probably gay.  Which I wouldn't care if he was.  So, if Disney wants to fulfill their promise of having diversity of sexual orientations in the new movie, make Luke gay.  It would fit in with how he was in the original trilogy, very easily.  Wouldn't feel forced at all.  It's either that, or Luke decided to become a celibate Jedi like in the good ole days, which would be quite boring to me, honestly.  Not saying Kylo Ren had to have killed his boyfriend or anything, but just... subtly throw it in there somehow.  Or, at least, Luke... no Luke should probably be bi.  He did seem genuinely interested in Leia in ANH and EST.  EITHER WAY!

 

Personally, just introducing a new character and say they are gay would be weak to me.  Sure, it counts, but meh.  Besides, we already have straight Luke in Legends, and if anyone renounces Star Wars because Luke is gay or bi or whatever else, fuck them.  They're as bad as the idiots complaining about all the women and minorities being given greater roles in the Star Wars Universe.

 

Also, I didn't even realize Poe Dameron and Sabine were Hispanic! : o Thought they were white.  But yeah, I can totally see it now!  Makes sense, looking at how they look, and Poe's actor is himself Hispanic, so...

[mochi]

I did.  The only interactions of a romantic nature he has with a woman that we know of his is own fucking sister, of which he is awkward and bumbling as fuck.  Sure, you can chalk it up to lack of experience, but I dunno'.  Then, in Jedi, he seemingly has become a celibate Jedi, or... just has no romantic interest.  I didn't know asexual was a thing back then, so I'd just be like, yeah... Luke's probably gay.  Which I wouldn't care if he was.  So, if Disney wants to fulfill their promise of having diversity of sexual orientations in the new movie, make Luke gay.  It would fit in with how he was in the original trilogy, very easily.  Wouldn't feel forced at all.  It's either that, or Luke decided to become a celibate Jedi like in the good ole days, which would be quite boring to me, honestly.  Not saying Kylo Ren had to have killed his boyfriend or anything, but just... subtly throw it in there somehow.  Or, at least, Luke... no Luke should probably be bi.  He did seem genuinely interested in Leia in ANH and EST.  EITHER WAY!

 

Personally, just introducing a new character and say they are gay would be weak to me.  Sure, it counts, but meh.  Besides, we already have straight Luke in Legends, and if anyone renounces Star Wars because Luke is gay or bi or whatever else, fuck them.  They're as bad as the idiots complaining about all the women and minorities being given greater roles in the Star Wars Universe.

 

Also, I didn't even realize Poe Dameron and Sabine were Hispanic! : o Thought they were white.  But yeah, I can totally see it now!  Makes sense, looking at how they look, and Poe's actor is himself Hispanic, so...

tch, please, Disney would never let them add a gay character

[Jman]

Reading the Expanded Universe and the various flings he has (to the point it becomes a running gag how women throw themselves at him), no.  Then again I read those books.

[MasqueradeOverture]

Reading the Expanded Universe and the various flings he has (to the point it becomes a running gag how women throw themselves at him), no.  Then again I read those books.

 

Ain't canon.

 

Possibly a lithosexual (likes to see women but doesn't feel the need to touch).

[ben0119]

J.J. said that the inclusiveness includes people of different sexual orientations, opening the possibility of there being a gay character in episode 8.  And there are gay characters in the new canon books/comics apparently.  Of course, those aren't as high profile.

 

Then again on second thought all indications show Luke as being straight up til now, with possibly going Jedi Celibate as of Return of the Jedi.  Maybe it would also be better to simply introduce a new character and have them be gay.  That way it doesn't look like you are radically changing a character for sjw brownie points, for the sake of doing it, etc.  Could also be an issue if Lucas always envisioned the  character as straight.  We don't want a repeat of the Sulu incident.  So yeah, a new, gay character would probably be the best way to go about it.

 

I've also heard people say that sexuality isn't imortant in the SW universe and that the only ones we know it for are the ones who continue the Skywalker bloodline.  This is true to an extent, but Lando clearly showed interest in Leia, and Finn showed interest in Rey.  Either way, they're going to have to find a way to address this - Rey's lineage.  I doubt it would sit well with the fans if Rey's parents are simply two rando deadbeats that marooned her on Jakku, regardless of original intention.  Rey's parents are going to have to be somebody, her father likely being Luke.  Otherwise, the only Skywalker of the new generation in the current trilogy is the evil Kylo Ren.  Not sure how that's gonna fly.

[Cille]

Mark Hamill has said that if anybody sees Luke as gay, that's totally cool. But that's less about canon (and not an official confirmation of whether he is or not) and more about Luke being an inspirational figure to people of any sexuality.

 

I wouldn't call him strictly gay considering his romantic interest in a female early on. I also find it quite believable that his Jedi calling became more important to him than romance, or that he hasn't found someone he wanted to pursue a relationship with. It's also entirely possible that he did have one or more relationships in between Return of the Jedi and where he is now and we just didn't get to see it because time skip.

 

And yeah obvz Rey's parentage is going to be important, or they wouldn't have made such a big deal out of it. Whether it's Luke or someone else of import remains to be seen.

[mochi]

J.J. said that the inclusiveness includes people of different sexual orientations, opening the possibility of there being a gay character in episode 8.  And there are gay characters in the new canon books/comics apparently.  Of course, those aren't as high profile.

 

Then again on second thought all indications show Luke as being straight up til now, with possibly going Jedi Celibate as of Return of the Jedi.  Maybe it would also be better to simply introduce a new character and have them be gay.  That way it doesn't look like you are radically changing a character for sjw brownie points, for the sake of doing it, etc.  Could also be an issue if Lucas always envisioned the  character as straight.  We don't want a repeat of the Sulu incident.  So yeah, a new, gay character would probably be the best way to go about it.

 

I've also heard people say that sexuality isn't imortant in the SW universe and that the only ones we know it for are the ones who continue the Skywalker bloodline.  This is true to an extent, but Lando clearly showed interest in Leia, and Finn showed interest in Rey.  Either way, they're going to have to find a way to address this - Rey's lineage.  I doubt it would sit well with the fans if Rey's parents are simply two rando deadbeats that marooned her on Jakku, regardless of original intention.  Rey's parents are going to have to be somebody, her father likely being Luke.  Otherwise, the only Skywalker of the new generation in the current trilogy is the evil Kylo Ren.  Not sure how that's gonna fly.

J.J. can say whatever he wants but I know Disney and Disney is still of the belief that adding a Gay character is "controversial" and modern Disney doesn't do anything they think is Controversail, so no Gay Star Wars Characters

 

 

Star TREK meanwhile has a Gay main character in their upcoming series, they also made Sulu Gay but that carries unfortunate "he gets cured of his gayness later" implications because he isn't gay in the main series (making him gay was a rather stupid mistake)

[CaptainStarwind]

Yeah I can't really say that I ever really saw Luke as gay.  In the first movie he was just an awkward farmboy, and I think that accounted for a lot of his awkwardness between him and Leia.  By the time the of the second movie, there is that beginning kiss with Leia, but other than that he barely sees her the rest of the movie.  I think he's honestly far too engrossed in becoming a Jedi to care.  By the third movie he so consumed with the thought of his inevitable confrontation with Darth Vader that I doubt he has time to think about romantic relationships.

 

As for the Force Awakens, Luke had spent years trying to rebuild the Jedi Order, only to have his own nephew kill all his students before turning to the dark side.  That had a lot of influence on why he turns into a hermit by the time of the movie, so I don't see why it's not possible that it also affected his love life.  Besides, like Cille said, we don't know what happened between Episodes VI and VII.  For all we know he could have had a romantic relationship.

 

Honestly, I think you can build a better case for Luke being asexual than you can for him being gay.

[ben0119]

Luke appears gay (or at least asexual, again, no concept of that years ago for me) due to the evidence and the apparent way Luke behaves.  He's also made some tweets to the fact, teasing it, and told people who write him to see Luke however they want to see him.  I mean, it would be nice for young gay people (not you, because keh!) to have a gay character to identify with in the Star Wars Universe besides Ziro the Hutt*,-

 

-and it doesn't get much better than the main hero of the original trilogy and "Obi-wan of the Sequel Trilogy,.", Luke Skywalker.  JJ and Lucasfilm have been signaling the extreme likelihood of there being a gay character in The Last Jedi (there's already some in the new canon books and comics).  Will they actually reveal Luke as gay or bi?  Probably not, if Lucas always envisioned the character as straight.  We don't want another Sulu incident on our hands.  Though, to be fair, this time it looks like the actor portraying the character would be open to the idea if not supportive of it, unlike George Takei, so maybe... Not sure about Lucas himself, though. 

 

But, if that doesn't happen (and maybe not because as well it would be a huge sea change for a long-known beloved character), I can see a new character being introduced as gay or bi.  There's going to be an Asian girl, and a character that's likely Poe Dameron's father, among others, introduced in the new movie.  And hopefully Lando will show up.  He's gotta' at least be at Han's funeral!  And we know it can still happen, because Episode VIII is going to be the first Star Wars movie with no time gap in between films, picking up right where VII left off.  Unsure how they will start, though, since it Star Wars always starts with a space shot.  Maybe start above the planet and zoom down Google Earth style to the island with Luke and Rey?  Could be pretty epic.

 

*Hutts can be male or female and have the ability to choose their own gender, though most choose to be male.  ...Some Cracked writer actually said they are the trans people of the Star Wars Universe. :

[ben0119]

J.J. can say whatever he wants but I know Disney and Disney is still of the belief that adding a Gay character is "controversial" and modern Disney doesn't do anything they think is Controversail, so no Gay Star Wars Characters

 

 

Star TREK meanwhile has a Gay main character in their upcoming series, they also made Sulu Gay but that carries unfortunate "he gets cured of his gayness later" implications because he isn't gay in the main series (making him gay was a rather stupid mistake)

Controversial to whom?  How many people are still homophobic in this day and age?  The old people who didn't become more evolved and accepting with their beliefs about minorities and gays, etc are slowly dying off, and even younger people who once held the same beliefs are coming around.  Hell, I used to believe that marriage was between a man and a woman only, a Holy tenant where God is involved, and gay marriage served no purpose biologically because gay people can't reproduce through natural means. 

 

Actually, scratch that, after two bi girl friends of mine betrayed me, I switched my stance due to my rage at them and spite, and I no longer liked lesbian porn and distrusted bi women for years, including Angel when I first learned she was bi.  Obviously, as I thought about it as time slowly passed and I eventually put those people out of my mind (from the early 2000s, met them on the boards), I went back to my original stance of supporting gay marriage and their right to adopt, especially since orphans need all the parents they can get, and gay people would probably try extra hard to be good parents since they can't have kids by accident and must make a conscious decision and go to some effort to have kids, and would want to show a good example to the majority population, lest they make it look like gay people make bad parents and shouldn't be trusted with kids, etc etc. 

 

Even Bill O'reilly supported this.  He's a talentless hack who sucks without guests and a teleprompter, though.  I listened to his radio show for a while and it's pretty blah - a total borefest, and his young female cohost doesn't bail him about much in these facts.

 

Paramount also ignored and disrespected George Takei's wishes regarding the character and pissed him the hell off.

 

Sulu is also straight in the Mirror Universe, and since it doesn't seem to invert sexuality in any other characters (Kirk and Uhura, for example), Sulu would likely not be gay in the main universe, despite him never having any onscreen relationships of any kind.  And what Nero did wouldn't affect characters' sexuality, since people are born that way and don't "become" that way.

[ben0119]

Mark Hamill has said that if anybody sees Luke as gay, that's totally cool. But that's less about canon (and not an official confirmation of whether he is or not) and more about Luke being an inspirational figure to people of any sexuality.

 

I wouldn't call him strictly gay considering his romantic interest in a female early on. I also find it quite believable that his Jedi calling became more important to him than romance, or that he hasn't found someone he wanted to pursue a relationship with. It's also entirely possible that he did have one or more relationships in between Return of the Jedi and where he is now and we just didn't get to see it because time skip.

 

And yeah obvz Rey's parentage is going to be important, or they wouldn't have made such a big deal out of it. Whether it's Luke or someone else of import remains to be seen.

Yeah you're right.  He's probably asexual, or at least became that way later on.  Like I said, I had to concept of asexual even being a thing back then.

 

He had to have at least conceived with somebody, since I can't see any reason for Luke to have a woman have a turkey baster baby, besides to carry on the Skywalker line, and I doubt he's that insistent upon that, given the Skywalkers' tendency to get easily seduced to the Dark Side.  Do you think they'll make Mara Jade canon, though?

 

She probably wasn't killed by a Dark Side-converted nephew/child this time, though, since I'm pretty sure that would've been brought up.

The relationship could have been damaged by what happened with the Luke's New Jedi Order, though.  Who knows.

[Cille]

I haven't actually read any of the Thrawn/Mara Jade books so I don't know how their storyline would mesh with what's going on in the new movies, but would it even make sense for them to be around doing their thing since the movies are disengaged from the storyline of the books and there was the whole time skip with no mention of them having been around during that time period?

 

I know a lot of people were disappointed in the official canon universe losing out on the two of them. Since they didn't show up in The Force Awakens I assumed that the movie writers were just not going to involve them.

[Jman]

Well Thrawn is in Rebels and therefore re-introduced to the canon, so who knows what's gonna happen with him.

[mochi]

I would just like to add I'd love for an LGBT character to exist in a Disney film more than basically everybody in this thread

 

 

 

but I do not have faith in (modern) Disney to even mildly entertain the idea of an LGBT character being a thing

 

(especially considering the most recent Star VS ep shot down the Trans marco headcanon.....right after one of the writers implied marco was in fact Trans in the show staffs opinion on tumblr

in her defense she also strongly Implied that based on what she's seen Disney won't ever allow LGBT characters for the forseeable future in the same post

)

[Jman]

Trans Marco is dead?

 

[mochi]

Trans Marco is dead?

 

basically

 

a writer for the show basically said it was their plan to make Marco Trans but when Disney found out they put a stop to it

 

the episode "running with Scissors"  has Marco end up in another dimension where he grows up to be a cartoonishly hypermasculine aggro action warrior

 

 

however the ending he decides he hated that life and de-ages himself back into a 14 year old and goes back to earth so he can go back to being Star's friend

 

 

basically the writers wanted to make him Trans but Disney won't make it canon in show, so any Hope of Marco ending being a girl in the show are dead

 

 

 

also frankly Jman I hate that you have a smug additude when you find out something that would've made me happy doesn't happen

 

you're kind of a huge prick to me specifically for no reason

[Jman]

No, I just hated that theory from Day 1, but part of that tends to be how protective I can be of the what...three non-stereotypical Latinos in animation (Marco, Lance, and the half Dominican Miles Morales.  That's it.)

 

Also I have NEVER heard Trans Marco ever being an actual possiblity.  I know the creator of the show modeled the dialog between Star and Marco on her own husband and she confirmed that in an interview, but Jack Kirby did the same thing with Big Barda and Mr. Miracle in the New Gods comics.  There is NO evidence of Trans Marco being anything but an insane and kinda insulting rumor.

[mochi]

No, I just hated that theory from Day 1, but part of that tends to be how protective I can be of the what...three non-stereotypical Latinos in animation (Marco, Lance, and the half Dominican Miles Morales.  That's it.)

 

Also I have NEVER heard Trans Marco ever being an actual possiblity.  I know the creator of the show modeled the dialog between Star and Marco on her own husband and she confirmed that in an interview, but Jack Kirby did the same thing with Big Barda and Mr. Miracle in the New Gods comics.  There is NO evidence of Trans Marco being anything but an insane and kinda insulting rumor.

okay, but I have one more question on this

 

if a Latino character were Gay Lesbian Bi or Trans...why would that automatically render them a stereotype to you?

 

is there some Stereotype that all latinos are LGBT that I've never heard of?

 

one of My OC's is a Gay latino (in fact for the purposes of the story they're part of they're more or less all Latino and at least two of them are Gay) if I were to do a full story with them would they automatically be stereotypes to you, just because they aren't straight?

[Jman]

It does serve a bit, especially when there are so few of them, to de-legitimize them as heroes.  Latinos are usually peasants doing lawns or criminals.  There are very few traditionally heroic Latinos in that classic "Be one of the leads and get the girl" type.  That's why Trans Marco is in a word, fucking infuriating.  "Oh, he doesn't really want to be masculine, he just thinks he does!"  Or maybe you just do because you want to ruin the character, so fuck off.

 

It's obnoxious.  You want to have a character be that hero, but no, he's gotta be a criminal, he's gotta have a boyfriend, he's gotta be trans, etc.  Why?  Why the fuck can't he be a hero?

[mochi]

It does serve a bit, especially when there are so few of them, to de-legitimize them as heroes.  Latinos are usually peasants doing lawns or criminals.  There are very few traditionally heroic Latinos in that classic "Be one of the leads and get the girl" type.  That's why Trans Marco is in a word, fucking infuriating.  "Oh, he doesn't really want to be masculine, he just thinks he does!"  Or maybe you just do because you want to ruin the character, so fuck off.

 

It's obnoxious.  You want to have a character be that hero, but no, he's gotta be a criminal, he's gotta have a boyfriend, he's gotta be trans, etc.  Why?  Why the fuck can't he be a hero?

why can't gay people be heroes Jman?

 

you're basically saying you don't think Gay people can be heroes

[Jman]

No, it's more that Latinos can't be heroes without having extra baggage bolted onto them.

[mochi]

No, it's more that Latinos can't be heroes without having extra baggage bolted onto them.

 

that doesn't really answer my question

 

I get the gist of your complaint, you want more stand-alone Latino heroes,

 

but the way you're saying it makes it sound like you don't think latinos should be allowed to be gay, or that being Gay somehow makes them less worthy of being heroes in your eyes

 

 

why, specifically, do you think a Latino character being Gay somehow invalidates them being Latino?

 

Gay latinos exist Jman

 

 

they're a thing in real life....therefor they should also exist in works of fiction

[Jman]

It's the problem when that's the ONLY type of Latino you get.  Gangbanger, peasant, or a hero BUT he has to be gay.  Or a hero BUT he has to be trans.  It's bullshit.

[mochi]

It's the problem when that's the ONLY type of Latino you get.  Gangbanger, peasant, or a hero BUT he has to be gay.  Or a hero BUT he has to be trans.  It's bullshit.

name one Gay male or Trans woman Latino hero Jman:|

[Jman]

name one Gay male or Trans woman Latino hero Jman:|

 

I can barely name three Latino heroes, period!  One fans want to be gay even though he's only attracted to women, and one fans want to be trans even though he's shown no issues with his masculinity, just trying to live up to it.  And one fans just hate on because he isn't Peter Parker.

[mochi]

I can barely name three Latino heroes, period!  One fans want to be gay even though he's only attracted to women, and one fans want to be trans even though he's shown no issues with his masculinity, just trying to live up to it.

You and I are the same when it comes to this subject Jman, where we differ is that I don't think being Gay makes a character less of a person or less Valid like you appear to

 

a hero can still be Latino and be gay at the same time Jman, much like being Latino is just part of a character's personality, their sexuality is also just a part of it

 

you claimed to me in that voltron thread that you were all for well written Gay characters but clearly you think being Gay automatically makes a character horrible (though considerig you like Sombra seemingly only if they are male) please educate yourself about Gay men and Trans women get over your hang ups with us

 

I'm not saying you outright hate Gay men or Trans women.....but you at the very least look down on us as people, and I don't like it, it's not totally malicious.....but it's extremely spiteful

 

if you hate people looking down on Latinos so much....why would you do the same thing to LGBT people Jman?

[Jman]

That's true, but the problem IMO is that's there no other alternative.  That you can't write Latinos without doing these things to them.  That's where the issue lies for me.

[mochi]

That's true, but the problem IMO is that's there no other alternative.  That you can't write Latinos without doing these things to them.  That's where the issue lies for me.

all I'm trying to say is that I think this issue you have with thinking Latino characters in fiction should never be Gay is kind of closed minded and frankly if you are Latino (which I assume you are) very self defeating

 

and take to heart what I said about educating yourself about LGBT people, your opinions largely appear to come from ignorance of who and what LGBT people are....we are people Jman...just like you and anyone else, we are not weird or different or weak, we can be any race or religion, we can be strong or weak, brave or cowardly, good or evil, nice or a jerk, we can be super kinky or completely vanilla, we're human beings

 

a Latino character who is gay is still latino

 

[Jman]

At the end of the day we both want representation.  Having a non-gangbanger Latino hero is one of those desires.  I see no reason to insist on these caveats with characters that exist and have clearly identified desires.  Not to mention at this point Marco is practically a harem anime protagonist, and that's about as rare as a unicorn with a racing stripe.

[Admin]

is any hero of any nationality really that interesting without baggage?

 

also Disney is pretty gay-friendly, and has a lot of gay execs, and has in the past been very vocal about believing in equal rights, even taking flack for it.

 

Having said that, they are a corporate entity that is answerable to markets and stockholders.  So they aren't perhaps as free in their minds to do quite as much as I'm sure they are probably chomping at the bit to do.

 

also - sexuality isn't really all or nothing.  people who are gay sometimes take awhile to discover that.  some people who are gay go to their graves without even acknowledging it.  people don't just go "k i'm gay now".  some know, some don't.  some that know don't want to quite let themselves in on that.  it's more complicated than "is this person gay or not, ANSWER ME RIGHT NOW"

 

I would say - more satisfying characters are characters who possess human complexity.  So it could easily be that Skywalker was gay all along, but still not quite ready to be that early on.  Or confused about his life and things going on around him such that it took a bit for him to come to terms with it.  Or distracted by things he may have seen as larger concerns.

 

It's also possible, given all the things he becomes embroiled in right off the farm, that he never had time to truly develop/explore a sexual identity.

 

 

[Admin]

My personal take on the question of Luke Skywalker's sexuality would be, based on Lucas' source material and seeming intent in terms of the character being a sort of the intergalactic equivalent of the "red blooded midwestern all american boy" stereotype, the character is most likely straight.

 

I would suggest that, at the time the character was conceived, it was not in the creator's mind to make it anything but straight.  this doesn't mean that he couldn't change his mind at some point.  I believe he's (probably subconsciously) left room for that in the story.

 

But on its most basic level/conception, I think it's pretty clear, at least at the offset, that the character was conceived as a non-gay character.  I would go so far as to suggest that the notion of the character being gay wasn't even on the radar peripherally.

 

Once a character gets handed over to corporate interests, and/or many many different writers/creators over many different mediums, stuff can happen.  But I think just the basic character from the original Star Wars film, seems to have been conceived as a heterosexual character.

[ben0119]

name one Gay male or Trans woman Latino hero Jman:|

That hispanic girl from Supergirl is gay.  Her and her girlfriend's characters and their romance are well done, by the way.

[ben0119]

No, I just hated that theory from Day 1, but part of that tends to be how protective I can be of the what...three non-stereotypical Latinos in animation (Marco, Lance, and the half Dominican Miles Morales.  That's it.)

 

Also I have NEVER heard Trans Marco ever being an actual possiblity.  I know the creator of the show modeled the dialog between Star and Marco on her own husband and she confirmed that in an interview, but Jack Kirby did the same thing with Big Barda and Mr. Miracle in the New Gods comics.  There is NO evidence of Trans Marco being anything but an insane and kinda insulting rumor.

Julio Lopez from M.A.S.K. wasn't a stereotype.  He was a doctor.

 

Also apparently Poe Dameron is hispanic, which wasn't obvious to me when I watched the movie.  I've heard it said that Sabine his hispanic, but her VA and that of her family are all played by Indian-Americans.  Sooo, I don't know.  They are some kind of tan people, at the very least.  Not sure on Ezra's ethnicity, but I'd say Persian or something since his character was basically Space Aladdin when he was first introduced.  Not sure about Kanan.  I've heard people say none of the main characters are white, which was a stretch to me because no one seemed especially dark to me (I certainly didn't take Sabine as hispanic until it was brought up), so I don't know.

[ben0119]

Yeah, I pretty much agree with both of your posts, Luuv.

 

Disney is very gay-friendly.  They have those Gay Days at Disneyland or whatever.  Openly supportive.

 

For whatever it's worth there are gay characters in the new Star Wars books and comics.  Not sure if/when we'll see any onscreen, though.

 

I agree Luke was probably conceived of as straight, and I agree with the reasons you gave for him being swept up in everything, having greater concerns, etc.  I see it just as likely that he chose not to have any romantic involvement, and focused on other things, like training the next generation of Jedi.  I mean, it kind of makes sense that he doesn't have any kids.  Han and Leia's kid is named after Ben Kenobi, who was much more special to Luke than either of them.  Leia probably did that because Luke had no child of his own to name after Obi-wan.  It makes sense.

[ben0119]

is any hero of any nationality really that interesting without baggage?

The "baggage" doesn't have to be LGBT-related.  Jman just wants a hispanic heroic character representing him, but Mochi wants to hog all the representation, even though there's way more LGBT characters than non-stereotypical heroic hispanic characters.  It makes it especially odd given the amount of hispanics in the general population, whereas gays make up 2-4%, at best.

[ghostrek]

in the  old e.u.  Luke had a wife and the kids