Twin Peaks

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[Mewn]

I've been ready for this for so long.

 

I hope Showtime doesn't pull any more stunts >_>

[Mewn]

Here we GOOOOOOOO!

 

[nameraka]

this just needs to air already.

[mochi]

I've never properly watched Twin Peaks

 

all I know is that they fucking love it in Japan and it's Kunihiko Ikuhara's favorite tv show and movie (the guy who created Utena, Penguindrum and Yurikuma Arashi)

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Here we GOOOOOOOO!

 

 

awesome.

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all I know is that they fucking love it in Japan and it's Kunihiko Ikuhara's favorite tv show and movie (the guy who created Utena, Penguindrum and Yurikuma Arashi)

 

That explains a lot.

[mochi]

That explains a lot.

explains pretty much everything about Ikuhara

[Admin]

moar tease

 

[Mewn]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!

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They were marathoning the entire 1st season on Showtime earlier.

 

It's in my DVR. Hopefully I'll spend either tomorrow or Monday getting familiar with it.

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Saw the first two episodes.

 

I never really comment on things like this as I like to focus on the artistic merits of a series first, but the girls on this show are SO. FUCKING. HOT.

 

If only my penis could time travel.

[Mewn]

So, photos were released in Entertainment Weekly!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They look GREAT! O_O Everyone really got into shape.

Highkey more excited after seeing these pics.

 

[nameraka]

4 days and counting...

 

i first watched the series on vhs in 1998. i've been waiting 19 years for this shit...

 

it's happening again...

[naraku360]

[Mewn]

Today is the day!

 

[Mewn]

 

OKAY! So that first episode was great! I enjoyed it a lot.

A lot darker than the 90's but O_O

So, the whole "Was Cooper's soul tainted by Bob and now he's evil?" was answered.

Damn that doppelganger >_> lol, all badass and killing people.....why those people? No clue.  Hopefully the morally nice Cooper can solve the mystery.

That cube was wild too O_O that creature that ate the face off those lovers o_O! and then they backtracked to before that happened with Dale appearing and disappearing from the cube, def brought something bad with him, oops.

 

Nice to see some of the old cast.

LOG LADY  <3 so sad ;_; omg....I didn't think she would be in the revival because she was very sick and ultimately died >_< it was nice to see her one last time giving coded messages.

So Hawk is the new sheriff it seems....I read somewhere the actor that played Harry said "NOPE", which kind of sucks since he was a big player, but whatever, Hawk is great.

I lol'd that they "evolved" the "arm" aka midget man into a tree with a talking lump of flesh >.>;;; kind of Lynch's way of saying "fuck you" to that actor (who accused him of being a pedo rapist).

James showing up during the last scenes made me lawl.

 

Ahhhhh, anyway, hopefully the good Dale will return next episode.

Maybe Hawk will guide him  or Laura's mother >.>

Overall, I'm happy the aesthetics of the show stayed the same.

 

 

[naraku360]

How many episode aired on Showtime? From Mewn[/member]'s post it only sounds like 1 or 2?

 

I ask because Amazon's Showtime channel has 4 episodes, which I promptly watched all of. Started shaky for me, but the episodes kept getting so much better. I'll try marking each episode individually. A couple minor scenes might spill into the wrong episode, but I don't think any of the serious stuff will.

 

Anyway, episode 1,

 

I wasn't feeling it too much after episode 1. It was one of the most mixed episodes of the whole series, be it the original show, the movie, the tie-in books. Every time it cut to the glass box I felt like I was watching the James' unimportant out-of-town adventure of S2. I was pleased they ended it fast, but I couldn't tell if the attack was an ironically terrible scene or just a bad scene - an overall complaint I had with most of the special effects, actually. I think it's a combination of the sharper image and how extreme some of the effects get that make them look distracting and awful. I was disappointed it focused so much on new cast members completely detached from Twin Peaks for an intro episode, but did enjoy parts of it. Ray and Phyllis were interesting to watch at least and I greatly enjoyed the entire apartment sequence. So it averaged out pretty well, just far too mixed to match what I'd hoped.

 

 

Episode 2:

 

This was where I was starting to get the old Twin Peaks feel from it, such as the fight between Ray and Phyllis. The Black Lodge was mostly enjoyable, but again found some (not all) of the effects to be distracting. Doppleganger got much more interesting. Most of where the episode went was just doppleganger and Black Lodge, so commenting passed that is a bit hard. Seems unusal that the new iteration of the Lodge is.... coherent in a way?

 

 

Episode 3:

 

Likely to be one of my new favorite episodes of Twin Peaks on the whole. Cooper's surrealism was interesting to watch, especially with the woman with no eyes. I'd have to dig deeper to figure out what that was about, but I preferred the aesthetic here far more than the cheap-ish CG. It looked like stop-motion with people. Pretty nice feel. Dale gets out, and another unexpected factor gets tossed in with him replacing the wrong (kinda) doppleganger. I love basically everything about Dougie-Dale even though nearly any other show would've made me hate it. It's endearing in a sad yet hilarious way. The slot machines completely won me over on the sequel. I think there was also a scene of Andy, Lucy, and Hawk in here or the episode before that was great for coming back to the characters. The chocolate bunny scene, that is.

 

 

Episode 4:

 

Wally.

 

Seriously, the Dougie storyline got even better. The scenes with Lucy, Andy, and Hawk were funnier. Chad is a dick, Bobby was actually somewhat likable and the Laura Palmer picture giving him a breakdown was the kinda Twin Peaks I signed up for )not completely seriously, but episodes 3 and 4 are where it struck gold for having the right spirit), though looks like Bobby actually got pretty good at crying. Wally is my new favorite character ever. Gordon and Albert are great, hoping Tammy becomes a worthwhile inclusion. Denise has a mostly nice reintroduction;. Toward the end with the Cooper doppleganger was the right amount of sinister to top off one of likely the funniest, to me, episodes of either variation of Twin Peaks.

 

[Mewn]

Ah, Showtime aired a two hour episode that was ep 1 and 2 together.

 

>.> if there are more I'll have to find 'em then.

[naraku360]

There are more episodes out. Weird move, but I got 4-hours of new TP last night. 

[Admin]

watching it now.

[Admin]

so far with episode one I LOVE it.  BUT - part of why I think the original show worked was how it sort of, especially at the beginning, managed a ton of story elements in a very step by step way that I think brought the audience along deftly.

 

the first episode I didn't feel quite did that.  I feel like a lot of viewers will be left in the dust/scratching their heads.  The scenes are all disjointed with a sort of blurred character and story focus that I feel maybe isn't the best way to kick it off after a couple decades hiatus?

 

but I love the pace personally, and the mood.  The sound is amazing (took me back all the way to Eraserhead really, Lynch uses a lot of the same sound techniques he developed in his very first movie).  And while the scene structure, overall plot and characters are super fuzzy in this first episode, interestingly, none of the emotion is.  The emotion he conveys through the episode is direct and almost invasively so.  I think it's one of the things that makes Lynch so good at creating genuinely creepy and scary moments.

 

Whether or not you can totally put together what's going on from a story or character perspective, like even when you don't really understand what's going on, Lynch has you feeling what he wants you to feel.  Which in some ways is more communication than a sort of standard plot or scene layout.  And definitely more difficult to achieve.  So it's almost like he's doing the hard stuff first by putting you in an emotional space, before he lays out what's going on.

 

That's a super interesting way to tell a story.  I have always loved David Lynch.

 

At another thing that amazes me is - in the decades after Twin Peaks, so many shows have attempted to pay homage, take the ball Twin Peaks kicked and run it up the field, and/or just flat out rip it off.  And with a couple decades of that stuff out there - Lynch still does it better than anybody else. 

 

I love how the story starts out in fog and then the cloud sort of starts to settle so you can make out the story details and stuff.  As good as we've had it TV-wise in the last 10 years or so, I actually forgot how good it could be.

[Mewn]

There are more episodes out. Weird move, but I got 4-hours of new TP last night. 

 

Lucky you

 

I knew I should've did that free Showtime shit with Amazon <_<

I have SlingTV and they offered a free preview of Showtime, so I watched on there.

Maybe the other two eps are on there on the "On Demand" feature, I'll have to look.

I didn't expect them to put out 4 eps like that o_O but Showtime is weird like that sometimes since I remember getting Penny Dreadful early in the beginning of the seasons.

[nameraka]

ep 1 felt more like a lynch movie than the tv series. not complaining. love the feel but hope the action picks up a bit soon. will watch 2nd ep tonight.

 

so far, have pretty much no idea what's going on.

[Admin]

not sure when I'm going to have a chance to sit down with 3 and 4.  Hopefully soon.

 

Watching 1/2 was amazing.  And I'd forgotten how watching an episode stays with you for awhile.  Like I'm still thinking about it and sort of making connections for days after I watch it.  I can already feel that with this episode.

 

Man I sort of remembered how much I loved this show.  But not really.  I mean, after seeing the first two episodes it's like - "oooooh yeah, I remember! this is what real TV love is like."

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Originally was going to watch the first two seasons again as preparation for this.  But didn't get a chance.  Have the DVDs all dug out now.

 

not sure what ima do.  Like watch those two seasons, then come back to new eps.  And also - like I said, part of the beauty of it for me was having an entire week to digest an episode.  Even though there are two more sitting there waiting it's like - do I want to wait a bit?  Or just watch it all the second it comes out?

[naraku360]

If you watch all 4, you have to wait until June 4th to get more.

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Watched all 4 episodes. I love how David Lynch has zero respect for the audience's time and patience. It's beautiful.

 

Really, this is Lynch at his Lynchiest. I'm assuming there were several talks where the Showtime execs were like "David, we can't air this. This is television, not MOMA" and Lynch was like "Bitch, contract lets me do what I want" and the execs be like "Fuck..."

[naraku360]

The best scene:

 

 

[Mewn]

Watched all 4 episodes. I love how David Lynch has zero respect for the audience's time and patience. It's beautiful.

 

Really, this is Lynch at his Lynchiest. I'm assuming there were several talks where the Showtime execs were like "David, we can't air this. This is television, not MOMA" and Lynch was like "Bitch, contract lets me do what I want" and the execs be like "Fuck..."

 

Oh the two fought...that's why there was a delay...it was suppose to come out last year >.>;;;

 

http://deadline.com/2015/04/david-lynch-twin-peaks-directing-showtime-1201404765/

Thank gawd they suck it up and let David do his thing no matter the cost <.<

 

I've been waiting on watching 3 and 4 'cuz I don't want to be caught up just yet.

 

I actually started rewatching from season 1 recently because my mom shockingly enjoyed the new eps....so ofc I was like WELP YOU NEED TO SEE IT FROM THE BEGINNING.

It's been nice because it has been a while since I first watched it.

Plus, it's nice to see the clues in the previous season, see if there is some connections I can make in the current.

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I love the intricacy of the first season.  Like, people kept accusing it of being random and I'm like "this is all deliberate.  there's nothing random in there, watch it again, you'll see if you really pay attention".  I love the sort of step by step breadcrumb trail he leaves.  It's kind of like an old fashioned murder mystery in a sense, but it's almost the hyper-realized version of that in that it really is like a puzzle, and the pieces are all laid out before you very carefully.

 

I feel like the second season was less focused mostly because they farmed it out to more writers and directors.  So at that point, there were more individuals deciding "well this is not important, I really want to bring this element to the forefront" etc.

 

You can really feel the difference there between Seasons 1 and 2 (even though season 2 was good, the second half really suffered, just not as phenomenal as season 1 was) and this series has been just as good as that first season if not better because it has Lynch's focus, attention, and character built into it. 

 

I think if they'd gone ahead without Lynch they would have gotten something more like a weaker version of that back half of Season 2 instead of an arguably stronger version of Season 1.

 

 

[Mewn]

I love the intricacy of the first season.  Like, people kept accusing it of being random and I'm like "this is all deliberate.  there's nothing random in there, watch it again, you'll see if you really pay attention".  I love the sort of step by step breadcrumb trail he leaves.  It's kind of like an old fashioned murder mystery in a sense, but it's almost the hyper-realized version of that in that it really is like a puzzle, and the pieces are all laid out before you very carefully.

 

I feel like the second season was less focused mostly because they farmed it out to more writers and directors.  So at that point, there were more individuals deciding "well this is not important, I really want to bring this element to the forefront" etc.

 

You can really feel the difference there between Seasons 1 and 2 (even though season 2 was good, the second half really suffered, just not as phenomenal as season 1 was) and this series has been just as good as that first season if not better because it has Lynch's focus, attention, and character built into it. 

 

I think if they'd gone ahead without Lynch they would have gotten something more like a weaker version of that back half of Season 2 instead of an arguably stronger version of Season 1.

 

Exactly! When I tell people that haven't watched or have never heard of Twin Peaks I usually tell them there are two layers to the story. The basic murder mystery layer and  the coded other worldly layer; usually that gets them interested enough to check it out....I also recommend that they see one of David's movies too just so they get a sense of it.

But yeah, season 2 second half was weaksauce and probably for the reasons you mentioned.

Season 1 sticks with you.

Season 2, the main plot revelations are the only things that stuck.

That and James random side story  > Oh and Billy Zane being a love interest for Audrey.  >

 

I hope this current season keeps its pace and doesn't go off on other things.

I hope we also hear more music because Laura's theme and the jazz theme were really drilled into you with the first seasons. :D

[Mewn]

Episode 3

 

So, nice trippy beginning.

Coop caught in the middle of time and space and a blind azn lady...err, not blind, just someone with her eyes sewn shut.

2:53 on the dot...the arm did not lie.

Oh and "Blue Rose" with the floating head >.> hmmm....Lynch sure does love the color blue.

Plugs connect the two dimensions too o_O

And the knocking? I wonder what that was...the arm's doppelganger trying to stop him?

 

Anyway, now we see ANOTHER "manufactured" Coop named Doug with a ho  >

Did the evil doppelganger Coop create Doug to make sure he didn't go back into the Red Room or Black Lodge?  ::HMM::

The color GOLD must be a big clue too because Doug turned into a gold ball...plus he was wearing a gold jacket...and I guess, later on, Coop strikes "gold" or is rich in it.

AND Dr. Jacoby painting those shovels gold.

 

The throw up scenes were gross, btw LOL looked like something my dog would urp; glad I wasn't eating during that <_<

 

Coop is all derpo now that he's out of the red room area >.> wtf...he needs to snap back D: hopefully not perma. >.>

Man, I wish he would gamble with me being able to know which machines will pay out wtf <.<

 

And the FBI knows of "Coop's" whereabouts...I'm assuming they're going to find the evil one <.< since it's in South Dakota? Unless that casino was in South Dakota but it seemed like he was in Nevada/desert area.

 

OH and the Lucy/Andy/Hawk scene  >

DA CHOCOLATE BUNNIES GIVE ME GAS! AN OLD LEGEND OF YOURS, HAWK?

 

Me: WTF?  >

 

Anyway, I'll watch 4 in a couple of hours.

 

 

 

[Mewn]

Episode 4

 

Mr. Jackpots, gimme some of your money >_>

Lmao, Coop is so derp, it's painful to watch ;_;

Naomi Watts as his wife, nice.

I thought the coffee might've worked to bring him back....almost, but no good.

And yeah, he was tricked, so figured as much there.

 

Michael Cera cameo made me lol.

 

I see that they made Harry's brother the sheriff to replace Harry...like I've said before, it's a shame that the actor that played Harry didn't want to do the revival.

BOBBY! YER A COP LOL  >

AND WE FINALLY HEARD LAURA'S THEME! about damn time.

 

ohohoh, my fav DENISE! Look at her chief of staff of the FBI  8)

Loved that David came back to reprise that role <3

 

FBI meets with evil Coop...at least they think something is off with him.

Duuuun listen to evil Coop nuuuuuu <_<

OH AND BLUE ROSE IS A PERSON! dafuq >.>

 

And oooo the band at the end, I remember listening to them years ago.

Au Revoir Simone<3

 

Now I wait for Audrey to return

 

 

 

[naraku360]

 

Blue Rose seems to [probably] be a code for

Black Lodge cases, most likely things they still don't understand. They were saying Cooper matches the bill.

 

[Mewn]

Oooo, yeah you're right.

 

Well good, I suppose.

 

 

So when the the big floating head went by Cooper in that space area, was that a reminder to him? Trying to help him realize that something is off.

 

 

[naraku360]

 

The head was Garland Briggs (Bobby's dad) so he definitely knew more about Blue Rose(s) than Cooper.

I'm guessing it had to do with the tie-in book The Secret Lives of Twin Peaks:

He originally thought Cooper was a good entity to combat the evil of the Black Lodge due to the "COOPER" messages they picked up, but after his erratic behavior at the finale he begins to believe it was a warning about Cooper, not an endorsement. Maybe the head was a warning to the real Cooper about the doppleganger, which is the real Blue Rose case.

Though, a lot of that could retconned since Garland was likely to be a big part of S3 if the show wasn't cancelled, but the actor died.

 

 

 

[Mewn]

Ohh okay then.

So more or less yes.

 

Yeaaah, a lot of these actors died off, sad. =\

[nameraka]

anyone have any idea why michael ontkean (sheriff harry s. truman) isn't in this?

 

also, it's so sad that miguel ferrer and catherine coulson have since passed. 

 

also, also, i did not know that twin peaks needed michael cera. that was possibly my favorite scene so far. 

[naraku360]

All I've heard is that he didn't want to come out of retirement.

[Mewn]

All I've heard is that he didn't want to come out of retirement.

 

This ^

It's sad that he didn't want to do it.

 

http://www.avclub.com/article/michael-ontkean-wont-return-twin-peaks-robert-fors-226549

[nameraka]

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Call for help.

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Finally broke down and watched 3 and 4.  I love this. 

 

was looking at the ratings data and apparently, while it did better than the show that preceded it in its timeslot for Showtime, it didn't do very well overall ratings-wise.  But Showtime broke it's record for sign-ups the weekend of its premiere.

 

So I'm guessing Showtime is very happy with the show in spite of the low ratings. 

 

It's nice to see that traditional ratings seem to matter less and less, as media companies experiment in their approaches to audiences in general.  For Showtime, a pay channel, it's more about subscriptions than advertising, and it looks like Twin Peaks broke their previous record for new sign-ups, and also took up a lot of space on social media in general.  So it seems a pretty firm win for them.

[naraku360]

I was expecting a little more progression in episode 5.

 

However, although it didn't progress as much I would've liked, it was a hilarious episode.

[Mewn]

I was expecting a little more progression in epuside 5.

 

However, although it didn't progress as much I would've liked, it was a hilarious episode.

 

I agree with this...would've been nice to see Cooper realize a bit more and be a bit less derp.

 

 

Although, he is connecting certain things like "agent" and the statue with the gun.

Maybe someone in Twin Peaks will come get him after that room key reaches them.

 

 

Dr. Jacoby and Frank's wife made me lol.

[mochi]

Call for help.

[naraku360]

Lol "epuside". My typos are getting real bad.

 

Perhaps the expectations of more progression came from thinking there would be 2-4 episodes. Oh well. S:

 

I want the coroner to be an actual character. ::]::

[nameraka]

I agree with this...would've been nice to see Cooper realize a bit more and be a bit less derp.

 

 

Although, he is connecting certain things like "agent" and the statue with the gun.

Maybe someone in Twin Peaks will come get him after that room key reaches them.

 

 

Dr. Jacoby and Frank's wife made me lol.

 

this. also, with all the talk of and references to phillip jeffries, i'm seriously bummed that david bowie didn't stick around long enough for this.

i remember reading somewhere early on that he was down to reprise the role.

[Mewn]

Lol "epuside". My typos are getting real bad.

 

Perhaps the expectations of more progression came from thinking there would be 2-4 episodes. Oh well. S:

 

I want the coroner to be an actual character. ::]::

 

2-4 episodes as in total?

Or 2-4 episodes total for derpo Cooper.

 

She was a fun, sarcastic betch.