smiradenius

Nice how you cut my comment short. Do you even know what "controlled" means? If the fire starts spreading too fast, douse it.

Okay, so, I'm supposed to believe Exxon gives all of its internal documents to newspapers. WSJ doesn't have any such documents.

Still doesn't explain why the reservoirs were empty, hydrants didn't work and fire equipment failures abound for lack of maintenance. It doesn't explain why millions of gallons of water got dumped into the Pacific for the sake of a smelt, instead of being properly stored for inevitable fire.

"Exxon documents obtained by the Wall Street Journal" First off, that rag has zero credibility. Who did the Journal send to obtain said documents? A professional cat burglar? The A Team? Think!

And where does NPR get its information?

Pooh said there's a "global" effort to stop the production and use of cfc. That's obviously incorrect.

Why did you even get into this thread? What's the "original grievance" you're mumbling about?

The US may have stopped producing or using cfc, that doesn't speak for the rest of the world.

I'm not interested in university sponsored conspiracy theories. (Propaganda, typically consumed by people who beg for simple answers)

Alright then... so there's obviously no "global effort" to stop cfc production.

Does it say they're covering anything up?

He just blathered about there being no natural cause for the uptick in CFC. Well, when it's not natural, it must be artificial.

Bullshit. There's no such conspiracy.

No natural cause, you say? Don't edit that out.

Like right here in this apartment, for example? I'm not on that dial up anymore.

Every time I'm there, same story. Should it matter how often?

Where would this evidence be found?

You don't. You go up in the foothills, where the majority of the brush is. Big areas of unoccupied, undeveloped land.

The library isn't the only thing in Queens.

Sagebrush is highly combustible, whether live or dead. Try for, controlled burns.

Global? No, China is still a huge producer of CFC, and their government blames it on "illegal" production. How convenient. Meanwhile, CFC in the atmosphere has been increasing since 2010. So, the "global effort" has fallen flat. https://essic.umd.edu/five-ozone-depleting-cfcs-increased-globally-from-2010-2020/

The library in Queens always has a long line to the restroom. At least it's a good place to read newspapers.

Anyway, this thread has drifted off course. My statement is that regardless of climate change and regardless of whether the foothills have trees, the fault of these fires can be placed on government failures. It failed to maintain the water system, downsized the fire department to an unreasonable low and failed to adequately manage the growth of brush. Every big fire starts as a small one. Had the failures been addressed prior to 2024, the fires would have been contained and extinguished long before growing to the scale we see now.

The United States had stopped using those chemicals. That doesn't speak for the rest of the world.

Look at the timeline. 1970's, we had been warned of a new ice age that was supposed to start before 1989. 1980's, the script was flipped and the "greenhouse effect" was supposed to make most of Earth uninhabitably hot before 1999. 1990's, the entire ozone layer was supposed to be depleted before the 2000's. The 2000's, the polar caps were supposed to be completely liquefied before the 2010's. 2010's to now, any deviation whatsoever from the "mean" is climate change. There have been and always will be periodic deviation from the mean, regardless of what man ever says or does or does not do. It's called nature. It can not be controlled or predicted by man.