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27 minutes ago, Roymustang1990 said:

This show needs a better R1n

 

 

Why did you edit out the pic?

I still never watched any Fate shows.  I wonder why AS and Toonami both avoided them.

Both Bleach and InuYasha had better Rins as well lol.

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Yeah, this mostly forgotten minor Bleach character who barely comes up in a Google search and gets his results filled with the RIRIN Bleach filler character, a Bleach fan fiction character, a Rin from yet another show, and apparently a literal cleaning solution called RIN is better than the Rin from Naruto.  He was entertaining and we actually saw him fight.  I am standing by it!

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And of course, this Rin!

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On 5/1/2022 at 1:00 AM, ben0119 said:

Why did you edit out the pic?

I still never watched any Fate shows.  I wonder why AS and Toonami both avoided them.

Both Bleach and InuYasha had better Rins as well lol.

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Yeah, this mostly forgotten minor Bleach character who barely comes up in a Google search and gets his results filled with the RIRIN Bleach filler character, a Bleach fan fiction character, a Rin from yet another show, and apparently a literal cleaning solution called RIN is better than the Rin from Naruto.  He was entertaining and we actually saw him fight.  I am standing by it!

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And of course, this Rin!

Oh I see, interesting,I didn't realize there were other rins  in anime as well beside fate/stay night until you brought up examples from bleach and inuyasha but yeah that's kinda embarassing.

I think rin from fate stay night is a pretty loved character not just by the fans ,but even from the fate writers themselves,as she has appeared in other fate anime(like fate /extra last encore and had two characters in fate / grand order absolute demonic front like "Ishtar" , for example ,that was modeled after Rin's character design as well as mimic rin's fighting style) outside Rin's  home series in the fate anime universe(fate stay night,fate stay night unlimited blade works,fate stay night heavens feel )

 

I  also can't believe toonami hasn't aired fate zero or  one of the two fate stay night animes as well. They also missed a chance to air fate apocrypha and fate /extra last encore for whatever reason.

The bleach filler you linked was also funny.

 

Here is a image of Ishtar from fate absolute demonic front,she's the character on the right

 

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46 minutes ago, DangerMouse said:

Oh shit, I just remembered another one that's not even in that image lol, the one from Blue Exorcist.

 

46 minutes ago, DangerMouse said:

My first thought was Fate's and then secondly Inuyasha's but same here it definitely didn't hit me until then that there were so many Rins in general in anime either lol.

 

Completely forgot about Rin from Blue Exorcism lol

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but gotta give props for  the fate writers for making two additional characters,Ishtar and Ereshkigal, having their character designs and etc be partially inspired by fate stay night Rin,and then wierdly acknowledging it to be the case in canon that their existence did derived from a girl and that girl was Rin(See Ishtar backstory to understand what I mean) ,where other series where you see two characters looking similar in their character design like

Riza Hawkeye and Olivia Armstrong from full metal alchemist,and the other characters  on screen never acknowledge it and because arakawa didn't write riza and olivia to be related to each other. I also thought Olivia Armstrong was what the child would look like if Alex Louis Armstrong and Riza Hawkeye ever had a baby together but that's just me.

 

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2 hours ago, Roymustang1990 said:

Oh I see, interesting,I didn't realize there were other rins  in anime as well beside fate/stay night until you brought up examples from bleach and inuyasha but yeah that's kinda embarassing.

I think rin from fate stay night is a pretty loved character not just by the fans ,but even from the fate writers themselves,as she has appeared in other fate anime(like fate /extra last encore and had two characters in fate / grand order absolute demonic front like "Ishtar" , for example ,that was modeled after Rin's character design as well as mimic rin's fighting style) outside Rin's  home series in the fate anime universe(fate stay night,fate stay night unlimited blade works,fate stay night heavens feel )

I  also can't believe toonami hasn't aired fate zero or  one of the two fate stay night animes as well. They also missed a chance to air fate apocrypha and fate /extra last encore for whatever reason.

The bleach filler you linked was also funny.

Here is a image of Ishtar from fate absolute demonic front,she's the character on the right

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I don't blame anyone not knowing or remembering the random Bleach character, but how'd you forget InuYasha's Rin, haha?  She's the one that most/first comes to mind for me and the first one I ever came across.

Oh I see.  So this Fate Rin is a pretty beloved character by fans and also the creators. 

The main things that have kept me away from the Fate franchise is the fact it is so huge and sprawling and not knowing where to start, the fact it originated from porn, and that whole "irrefutable order" thing sounds pretty... questionable.  Also the fact it has a bunch of female versions of historical and legendary figures just seems odd and comes off that it as done for waifu purposes.

Then I had someone tell me the Hellsing author also made porn and reused a lot of the characters from his porn in Hellsing, and that the porn supposedly isn't the main aspect of aspect of the original Fate visual novel, and Fate overall is mostly about epic battles. xD Of course, Reki also made a porn chapter of his own series that he called fan fiction and non-canon! xD 

I've also seen guides about watch order.  I think this is the one I saved on a notepad on my computer several years ago.

https://manga.tokyo/otaku-articles/what-is-the-fate-series-and-in-what-order-should-i-watch-it/

Someone also suggested that Fate Zero is a good place to start.  And it's written by the Madoka author so it's probably pretty good.  Though I think just watching in release order for the first time is probably the best and might suffice.  I sure as hell would not introduce someone to Star Wars in chronological order.  They may not want to watch anything else after you've shown them Episode 1 and 2, plus the prequels spoil stuff from the original movies, if they have somehow managed to exist in this world and not gotten spoiled on all of that already lol.

I have not looked further into the "irrefutable order" thing.  I hope it isn't used for demented purposes in the story.

I do not know why Toonami never aired any Fate series.  Come to think of it, I don't think any of the staff ever mentioned it or even did a segment about it on Pre-Flight.  I don't think any Fate series or the franchise overall was ever listed by them as a top fan request, either.  Maybe Fate is not that popular in the United States (I could be totally wrong on that) or the fanbase doesn't feel the need for it to be on Toonami.  Though it is pretty odd I can't remember Demarco or anyone else mention it even once. 

Not even to say they can't or won't get the series or aren't interested in it, don't like it, etc.  Because they have done that a few times for shows.  Yugioh, .hack, Panty and Stocking, and Darling in the Franxx come to mind.  Toonami/Demarco said they flat out refuse to air any of those shows and Demarco even said he hates .hack.  Of course we know of other shows that they wanted to get but couldn't.  

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1 hour ago, DangerMouse said:

Oh shit, I just remembered another one that's not even in that image lol, the one from Blue Exorcist.

Hahaha!  Well, Blue Exorcist was a pretty generic show, but I think even that Rin is better than the one from Naruto! xD

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On 5/8/2022 at 4:44 AM, Roymustang1990 said:

 

 

Completely forgot about Rin from Blue Exorcism lol

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but gotta give props for  the fate writers for making two additional characters,Ishtar and Ereshkigal, having their character designs and etc be partially inspired by fate stay night Rin,and then wierdly acknowledging it to be the case in canon that their existence did derived from a girl and that girl was Rin(See Ishtar backstory to understand what I mean) ,where other series where you see two characters looking similar in their character design like

Riza Hawkeye and Olivia Armstrong from full metal alchemist,and the other characters  on screen never acknowledge it and because arakawa didn't write riza and olivia to be related to each other. I also thought Olivia Armstrong was what the child would look like if Alex Louis Armstrong and Riza Hawkeye ever had a baby together but that's just me.

 

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Haven't seen all of the recent Fate straight to video episodes yet but I read that about those two characters after seeing clips/trailers of them and how they looked like Rin was really cool to see they worked it into the story why they looked like her.

They also animated them really well too, hehe.

 

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1 hour ago, ben0119 said:

Hahaha!  Well, Blue Exorcist was a pretty generic show, but I think even that Rin is better than the one from Naruto! xD

LOL

Yeah, it was pretty standard fare and not as well executed at it as Demon Slayer's been so far handling its straightforwardness (but similarly gorgeous thanks to A-1, like DS is thanks to Ufotable), but I still quite liked the beginning, before things got really jumpy, and second season despite how abrupt those arc transitions could feel in the first season, especially anything to do with those Amaimon fights, since it didn't help he was also really annoying. Plus you had to ignore most of the second half of season one for the story to continue from where it was supposed to, though that wasn't too hard since it had been so long since I'd seen it and the movie they'd made a few years later.

Still can't believe we never got season 2 here on Toonami when it FINALLY got made, and it sucked that it took so long to finally happen and yet all they managed were another 12 eps before leaving us stuck waiting again with no planned announcements whether or not they'd ever do more again.

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On 5/8/2022 at 2:12 AM, ben0119 said:

I don't blame anyone not knowing or remembering the random Bleach character, but how'd you forget InuYasha's Rin, haha?  She's the one that most/first comes to mind for me and the first one I ever came across.

Oh I see.  So this Fate Rin is a pretty beloved character by fans and also the creators. 

The main things that have kept me away from the Fate franchise is the fact it is so huge and sprawling and not knowing where to start, the fact it originated from porn, and that whole "irrefutable order" thing sounds pretty... questionable.  Also the fact it has a bunch of female versions of historical and legendary figures just seems odd and comes off that it as done for waifu purposes.

Then I had someone tell me the Hellsing author also made porn and reused a lot of the characters from his porn in Hellsing, and that the porn supposedly isn't the main aspect of aspect of the original Fate visual novel, and Fate overall is mostly about epic battles. xD Of course, Reki also made a porn chapter of his own series that he called fan fiction and non-canon! xD 

I've also seen guides about watch order.  I think this is the one I saved on a notepad on my computer several years ago.

https://manga.tokyo/otaku-articles/what-is-the-fate-series-and-in-what-order-should-i-watch-it/

Someone also suggested that Fate Zero is a good place to start.  And it's written by the Madoka author so it's probably pretty good.  Though I think just watching in release order for the first time is probably the best and might suffice.  I sure as hell would not introduce someone to Star Wars in chronological order.  They may not want to watch anything else after you've shown them Episode 1 and 2, plus the prequels spoil stuff from the original movies, if they have somehow managed to exist in this world and not gotten spoiled on all of that already lol.

I have not looked further into the "irrefutable order" thing.  I hope it isn't used for demented purposes in the story.

I do not know why Toonami never aired any Fate series.  Come to think of it, I don't think any of the staff ever mentioned it or even did a segment about it on Pre-Flight.  I don't think any Fate series or the franchise overall was ever listed by them as a top fan request, either.  Maybe Fate is not that popular in the United States (I could be totally wrong on that) or the fanbase doesn't feel the need for it to be on Toonami.  Though it is pretty odd I can't remember Demarco or anyone else mention it even once. 

Not even to say they can't or won't get the series or aren't interested in it, don't like it, etc.  Because they have done that a few times for shows.  Yugioh, .hack, Panty and Stocking, and Darling in the Franxx come to mind.  Toonami/Demarco said they flat out refuse to air any of those shows and Demarco even said he hates .hack.  Of course we know of other shows that they wanted to get but couldn't.  

If I haven't see  certain "x" anime series in a while,then  i start to forget particular characters existed. Without  googling Inuyasha's Rin and going off my memory,that was a character that hung around from Sesshomaru in the series.

I'm  still not particularly well verse in  the fate series(despite watching most of them)  when it comes to the things you mention ,like the recommended watch order. 

Going off what I read from other forums. The recommended watch order was :

Fate zero > fate stay night unlimited blade works > fate stay night Heavens Feel movies 1-3 , in that order.

Fate Zero doesn't have  any fan service scenes by the way ...from what I remember.

 

 

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I also heard that "Fate zero is a prequel to fate stay night but fate stay night is not really a sequel to fate zero."  I can somewhat see why people say this statement but I  still don't fully comprehend it

I also read that the visual novel of fate stay night had three different story routes and all of them has been animated.

To see -

first story route in  animated form : watch fate stay night(2006) by studio Deen

 second story route In animated form: watch fate stay night unlimited blade works by studio ufotable and if you wanna see Rin have more focused in the story

Third story route : watch fate stay night movies, heavens feel 1-3 by studio ufotable and if if you wanna see Sakura Matou have more focused in the story

 

Unfortunately, I have to leave the rest of my response concerning the fate stay nights and fate zero in the spoiler tag ,as I thought the  objective info I provided was a bit too spoilery .

The other fate anime like,Fate/ extra last encore, fate/grand order absolute demonic front,and fate apocrypha are considered spin offs.

I think people really just watch fate for the characters,philosophical dialogue,and epic action.

I think the reason fate  series hasnt been on toonami yet is because crunchyroll wouldn't allow it(from what owlachemist81 told me  three or so weeks ago)

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On 5/8/2022 at 2:47 AM, DangerMouse said:
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Haven't seen all of the recent Fate straight to video episodes yet but I read that about those two characters after seeing clips/trailers of them and how they looked like Rin was really cool to see they worked it into the story why they looked like her.

 

 

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Yeah I recommend fate / grand order absolute demonic front,just for these two characters if you haven't already... If your a huge fan of rin in general.

 

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On 5/8/2022 at 5:19 AM, DangerMouse said:

LOL

Yeah, it was pretty standard fare and not as well executed at it as Demon Slayer's been so far handling its straightforwardness (but similarly gorgeous thanks to A-1, like DS is thanks to Ufotable), but I still quite liked the beginning, before things got really jumpy, and second season despite how abrupt those arc transitions could feel in the first season, especially anything to do with those Amaimon fights, since it didn't help he was also really annoying. Plus you had to ignore most of the second half of season one for the story to continue from where it was supposed to, though that wasn't too hard since it had been so long since I'd seen it and the movie they'd made a few years later.

Still can't believe we never got season 2 here on Toonami when it FINALLY got made, and it sucked that it took so long to finally happen and yet all they managed were another 12 eps before leaving us stuck waiting again with no planned announcements whether or not they'd ever do more again.

I was pretty disappointed, because of the concept of the show and how it was promoted by Toonami, I was expecting something more like the tone of Spawn.  The main villain is the freaking Devil after all.  And it was pretty cool for the first few episodes.  ...then it turned into a fucking generic SPECIAL SCHOOL anime. 

I would never even think to compare Blue Exorcist to Demon Slayer, but my god it blows Blue Exorcist out of the water so bad it isn't even funny.  And while Demon Slayer has comedy and silliness ad times, the tone and stuff that happens is definitely fitting of the concept.

Hah I never watched the second season of Blue Exorcist, since it didn't exactly impress me much with the first season, even before it got to the filler stuff.  The filler was HILARIOUS though.

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43 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

I would never even think to compare Blue Exorcist to Demon Slayer, but my god it blows Blue Exorcist out of the water so bad it isn't even funny.  And while Demon Slayer has comedy and silliness ad times, the tone and stuff that happens is definitely fitting of the concept.

Only really thought of it as at the most basic both are pretty straightforward shonen with production values being their standout feature. But yeah, like I said Demon Slayer is much better executed in both telling its story in a highly refined manner and also in tone with stronger events fitting the concept like you said. Though to be fair to Blue Exorcist I've never read the source manga to really judge its execution outside of it's flawed anime adaptation.

Yeah, it's been a long time, so it's hard to describe well since I haven't seen it anytime recently, but I do recall similarly that the first couple of episodes when it was darker and briefly teasing perhaps something like a slightly older audience shonen, and still felt like it could be more toward "a modern day FMA" (sorta), like a "shonen+ or something", if that makes sense, were more the concept I was expecting initially from Blue Exorcist, before they really started the school stuff.

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46 minutes ago, Roymustang1990 said:

 

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Yeah I recommend fate / grand order absolute demonic front,just for these two characters if you haven't already... If your a huge fan of rin in general.

 

 

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Ok cool, will do, I did have some interest in watching them after seeing a few clips of the two of them in some great animation :) And yeah, I loved Rin in Unlimited Blade Works where she had all that screentime (probably Saber and her were my two favs from the Zero/Fate/UBW/HF series).

 

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1 hour ago, Roymustang1990 said:

If I haven't see  certain "x" anime series in a while,then  i start to forget particular characters existed. Without  googling Inuyasha's Rin and going off my memory,that was a character that hung around from Sesshomaru in the series.

I'm  still not particularly well verse in  the fate series(despite watching most of them)  when it comes to the things you mention ,like the recommended watch order. 

Going off what I read from other forums. The recommended watch order was :

Fate zero > fate stay night unlimited blade works > fate stay night Heavens Feel movies 1-3 , in that order.

Fate Zero doesn't have  any fan service scenes by the way ...from what I remember.

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I also heard that "Fate zero is a prequel to fate stay night but fate stay night is not really a sequel to fate zero."  I can somewhat see why people say this statement but I  still don't fully comprehend it

I also read that the visual novel of fate stay night had three different story routes and all of them has been animated.

To see -

first story route in  animated form : watch fate stay night(2006) by studio Deen

 second story route In animated form: watch fate stay night unlimited blade works by studio ufotable and if you wanna see Rin had more focused in the storu

Third story route : watch fate stay night movies, heavens feel 1-3 by studio ufotable and if if you wanna see Sakura Matou have more focused in the story

 

Unfortunately, I have to leave the rest of my response concerning the fate stay nights and fate zero in the spoiler tag ,as I thought the  objective info I provided was a bit too spoilery .

The other fate anime like,Fate/ extra last encore, fate/grand order absolute demonic front,and fate apocrypha are considered spin offs.

I think people really just watch fate for the characters,philosophical dialogue,and epic action.

I think the reason fate  series hasnt been on toonami yet is because crunchyroll wouldn't allow it(from what owlachemist81 told me  three or so weeks ago)

My mobile Chrome crashed and apparently my post didn't get saved.  How annoying.  I guess this is what I get for looking up names and dates of things. x_x

I guess you weren't a huge fan of InuYasha then.  I can forget characters or their names from some shows, but not usually from my favorite shows.

So Fate is not like other franchises where it is better to just watch in release date order like everyone who watched from since it started did?  That seems more organic to me, especially with how the way movies and shows are made change over time.  But, maybe there is a good reason for this suggested order.

Oh ok haha.  Wow, Fate Zero must be the only anime without any fan service in it besides Attack on Titan. xD

I wasn't sure if I should click the spoiler or not.  Maybe it wouldn't matter, if I never ended up watching any Fate stuff anyway.  But, I did go and watch some shows on my own that I never expected I would watch, like Haganai, Konosuba, and High School DxD.  I decided to go out of my usual wheelhouse for those shows and now I can say I watched them and they're under my anime culture belt. xD 

What you posted doesn't seem to be much of a spoiler anyway.  Not to me at least.

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So, I thought there were some sort of alternate universes or alternate timelines going on with Fate, but it's more like alternate ways the story could take?

I see.  It is hard to tell what is main stuff and what is spin-offs heh.

Oh ok.  Well, there must be some sort of big appeal to it.

Really?  Has Crunchyroll really had the rights to Fate all this time?  I don't think Crunchyroll was even around when Fate started.  According to what I just looked up, the first anime came out in 2006.  And it looks like Crunchyroll started in 2006 coincidentally, but it was still a pirated platform until 2009.  So, ASA or Toonami should have been able to air the shows at some point, unless they didn't get dubbed until way after the fact.

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23 minutes ago, DangerMouse said:

The comparison only came up as both are pretty straightforward shonen with production values being their best feature. But yeah, like I said Demon Slayer is much better executed in both telling the story in a highly refined manner and also in tone like you said.

Yeah, the first couple of episodes when it was darker and teasing like a more older audience shonen, and felt like it could be more toward "a modern day FMA" (sorta), were more the concept I was expecting from Blue Exorcist, before they actually really started the school stuff.

Did Blue Exorcist really have such great production values?  I don't remember that.  I guess the show was so dull even that didn't leave an impression haha.  Oh, it's not even close lol.

Yeah it was a pretty disappointing turn that Blue Exorcist took.  Felt kind of like a bait and switch.

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11 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

Did Blue Exorcist really have such great production values?  I don't remember that.  I guess the show was so dull even that didn't leave an impression haha.  Oh, it's not even close lol.

Yeah it was a pretty disappointing turn that Blue Exorcist took.  Felt kind of like a bait and switch.

Yeah, I recall it being praised as one of the best looking shows of its season, at least in the early eps, at least from my recollection of that period when it came out without looking.

It was like A-1 Pictures doing BONES.

Plus I remember some great detailed background art for the modern parts of the setting, at least in early on since I've got to imagine that's where my memories must be from.

Also kind of remember a strong early impression of big rule-of-cool shots/animation cuts (like say Soul Eater).

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Case in point too probably is that I think most of my memories are of the art and animation and rather specific events beyond those strong opening couple of eps ending with the "dad's" big sacrifice.

 

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