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Nice idea, I was always hoping someone would make "Kai" with the best of Falconer and some of the Yamamoto scores.

Any Yamamoto in this?

 

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Aight, so after finally compiling a decent workflow and redoing all the episodes to meet quality standards, The Saiyan Saga is done. I'm on track to complete Namek thru Frieza by the end of the year.

Sample of differences:

In terms of the specifics of what filler this project is cutting out / leaving in:

SAIYAN [Done]

Keep:

- Goku goes to Hell (albeit cut down slightly in my edit)

- Princess Snake

- Arlia

- Gohan & the robot

- Yamcha's stadium intro

- Gohan running away & joining orphans (cut down to 1 episode instead of 2)

- Pendulum Room

Erase:

- Gohan & the friendly dinosaur

- 99% of Launch scenes

- Tien at waterfall home

- Dueling Piccolos (this one hurt me, but there was no space)

- Holographic moon projection

- Goku's eventually-retconned ancestry

- Yajirobe dicking around Saiyan landing pods

- Fight padding

NAMEK / GINYU

Keep:

- Goku vs. needles

- Goku escaping hospital to train

- Goku and Gohan moment alone before the latter leaves to Namek

- Friends or Foes?

- Goku vs. hurtle towards star

- Vegeta in the tank

- Frieza attacking Guru's hideout

Erase:

- Fake Namek

- Fight padding

FRIEZA

Keep:

- Destruction of Vegeta backstory

Erase:

- Everything else (including Bulma & Frog Ginyu)

GARLIC JR.

[Keep, but cut from 10 episodes down to 7 to improve pacing]

TRUNKS / ANDROIDS

Keep:

- Mr. Shu

- Goku learns to drive

Erase:

- Fight padding (if you didn't get it by now, most of the show's filler is the fight padding)

CELL

Keep:

- Select Time Chamber moments

Erase:

- Everything else

Add:

- Oh Shit!

GREAT SAIYAMAN / WORLD TOURNAMENT

Keep:

- All of Other World Tournament

- Gohan's first date

- Saiyaman movie set

Erase:

- Everything else

BABIDI / BUU

Keep:

- Vegeta's original atonement left entirely intact

Erase:

- Everything else

FUSION / KID BUU

[All filler erased]

Obviously leaves us with more episodes than Kai does, but will still cut DBZ down to 200 episodes or something instead of 291.

 

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Impressive work. I'd love to see someone try this with One Piece because the episodes are hella padded by around Enies Lobby.

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I have absolutley loved what i heard so far...

I have a few questions/suggestions

I see for the most part you are using the 2005 version for the audio. But what I really like is that you subbed in the Kai audio where the line is more accurate to the original. This is done with surgical precision and I had to look at both to tell what’s what. Truly great work

The actors are all on point here. I assume once we get to the end of the refund  you'll use the Kai performances instead of the 1999 dub. The partial redub of the bricks makes it very strange sounding

When we get to the part of the Freeza Saga where Piccolo is revived, it would probably be best to use the Kai audio as much as possible. Piccolo's voice sounds vastly different in the original DBZ than what it sounds like in other parts (including the parts already released) since he was not redubbed at all for the orange bricks. This could be a slight issue if you have him talking to characters who are the original DBZ recordings as the more faithful adaptation of Kai may mean the whole conversation has changed. Sabat's early interpretation is so different it sounds like a different actor all together. This took me out of the show when watching the bricks. 

Krillin is redubbed up until the middle of a line of episode 94 (....I got a bad feeling about this Gohan). It then switches to the original 1999 dub where it sounds like Sonny is holding his nose shut while speaking. It would probably be best to switch to Kai here as well. Especially since in episode 95 the joke about him wanting to be married is properly translated and his cry out to Goku is "Goku!" as it should be..

This does present a slight issue if you want to do Garlic Jr since no redub of that exists. Those two characters will sound vastly different than at any other point in the series...

Using both VAs for Freeza might present a jarring change as the whole interpretation of the character and his manner of speaking is different in both versions. Young is more of a crazy villain and Ayers does the polite eloquent speech thing. But it might still work depending on what lines are kept 

Anyway, just thought I'd bring this up but you've probably thought of this all already...

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7 hours ago, brianycpht said:

I have absolutley loved what i heard so far...

I have a few questions/suggestions

I see for the most part you are using the 2005 version for the audio. But what I really like is that you subbed in the Kai audio where the line is more accurate to the original. This is done with surgical precision and I had to look at both to tell what’s what. Truly great work

The actors are all on point here. I assume once we get to the end of the refund  you'll use the Kai performances instead of the 1999 dub. The partial redub of the bricks makes it very strange sounding

When we get to the part of the Freeza Saga where Piccolo is revived, it would probably be best to use the Kai audio as much as possible. Piccolo's voice sounds vastly different in the original DBZ than what it sounds like in other parts (including the parts already released) since he was not redubbed at all for the orange bricks. This could be a slight issue if you have him talking to characters who are the original DBZ recordings as the more faithful adaptation of Kai may mean the whole conversation has changed. Sabat's early interpretation is so different it sounds like a different actor all together. This took me out of the show when watching the bricks. 

Krillin is redubbed up until the middle of a line of episode 94 (....I got a bad feeling about this Gohan). It then switches to the original 1999 dub where it sounds like Sonny is holding his nose shut while speaking. It would probably be best to switch to Kai here as well. Especially since in episode 95 the joke about him wanting to be married is properly translated and his cry out to Goku is "Goku!" as it should be..

This does present a slight issue if you want to do Garlic Jr since no redub of that exists. Those two characters will sound vastly different than at any other point in the series...

Using both VAs for Freeza might present a jarring change as the whole interpretation of the character and his manner of speaking is different in both versions. Young is more of a crazy villain and Ayers does the polite eloquent speech thing. But it might still work depending on what lines are kept 

Anyway, just thought I'd bring this up but you've probably thought of this all already...

Thanks for the feedback.

I have a lot of this ready to go. Piccolo will be the only Kai version once I get to the Nail fusion (I don't believe there are any lines that will force me to use the original, but if there are I'll just use some EQ and pitch correction for those instances).

Frieza's 2nd form-onwards is getting the voice change. Linda's good for sitting in a chair and scheming, but when it comes to battle I feel Chris is more imposing, and that first transformation seems like the best time to switch over now that I've thought about it.

When it comes to the Garlic Jr. Saga voices... *shrug*. At least all Vegeta's lines were redubbed, which was the main deciding factor in pulling the trigger for that saga anyways.

Another thing I did (really a pure nostalgia thing more than anything) was add reverb to Kyle Hebert's narration... but it's not gonna last the whole series. The Ocean dub (and subsequently Dale Kelly's for the first few episodes in the Ginyu saga) had reverb in the narrators voice until the body-swap episode where the reverb effect was just dropped and never heard again. Same thing's gonna happen here.

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6 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

Thanks for the feedback.

I have a lot of this ready to go. Piccolo will be the only Kai version once I get to the Nail fusion (I don't believe there are any lines that will force me to use the original, but if there are I'll just use some EQ and pitch correction for those instances).

Frieza's 2nd form-onwards is getting the voice change. Linda's good for sitting in a chair and scheming, but when it comes to battle I feel Chris is more imposing, and that first transformation seems like the best time to switch over now that I've thought about it.

When it comes to the Garlic Jr. Saga voices... *shrug*. At least all Vegeta's lines were redubbed, which was the main deciding factor in pulling the trigger for that saga anyways.

Another thing I did (really a pure nostalgia thing more than anything) was add reverb to Kyle Hebert's narration... but it's not gonna last the whole series. The Ocean dub (and subsequently Dale Kelly's for the first few episodes in the Ginyu saga) had reverb in the narrators voice until the body-swap episode where the reverb effect was just dropped and never heard again. Same thing's gonna happen here.

It’s probably a good idea to stick with Kai during the scene where Piccolo is wished bask as well (you probably meant this) The scene in the original also features “surfer” Yamaha arguing with Tien about his hair lol, Kai making a phone call joke- it’s one of the worst scenes dub wise. For the sake of proper dialogue and voices, I’d not use any of the original for this. 
 

The voice inconsistency with Piccolo was one of the main reasons I hated the OB. How could they even think for a second the original 1999 version flowed well with the rest of the series. I assume you’ll use the Kai Goku in the Freeza saga as well? 
 

I never thought of pitch correcting. That’s a good way of fixing it. I’ve been spot checking here and there and your only hurdle will be Nadolys dialogue, but it doesn’t look to me like it  should stop you from using Kai Piccolo exclusively 

 

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Episode 27 - Journey To Namek up:

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There's a scene towards the end where I inserted some Bach. This is one of the rare cases I'll ever use music outside of the DB library.

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Episode 28 - Friends Or Foes? up:

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This was hard to cut (took 3 episodes worth of filler and grabbed anything salvageable to smash into one). Safe to say none of that Fake Namek nonsense made it (which we can all agree is the worst filler arc in the entire franchise, right?).

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Glad to see you picked this back up. Snagged some of these a while back when you had up to Goku vs Vegeta done. Really excellent stuff! What's the best way to find these now?

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9 hours ago, YETiVERSe said:

Glad to see you picked this back up. Snagged some of these a while back when you had up to Goku vs Vegeta done. Really excellent stuff! What's the best way to find these now?

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Episode 29 - Brood Of Evil up:

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 This one was also a bitch to do since I was digging through footage of like 5 separate episodes. Especially for the recap, I inserted some extra 'Vegeta in the tank' scenes I didn't include in the previous episode in order to meet my ideal runtime window (I was running like two minutes short otherwise so I had to pad the recap out).

Otherwise, this was an interesting experiment in replacing 30th footage with Kai's whenever possible (the flat image of the DVNR'd 30th set makes my eyes hurt after a while) and then switching back and forth and adjusting contrast and color accordingly to (at least attempt) a seamless transition.

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Where do I go to download this?

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Episode 30 - The Ruthless Frieza up:

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Further honed my skills in matching footage (just realized there's an "equalize" effect tool in Premiere which got me pretty excited). Also an appearance of an insert song that was playing out of Roshi's boombox on the Japanese version, but was deleted in the English dub and replaced by the sound of a newscaster... I found a pretty cool way of circumventing that newscaster problem.

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Episode 31 - Namek's Defense up:

31-Namek-s-Defense.png

Splicing all of Frieza's and Gohan's lines in here was A LOT easier than I thought it'd be. The hardest part was finding a right endpoint to the episode, which I think works really well.

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9 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

Episode 31 - Namek's Defense up:

31-Namek-s-Defense.png

Splicing all of Frieza's and Gohan's lines in here was A LOT easier than I thought it'd be. The hardest part was finding a right endpoint to the episode, which I think works really well.

So are you shifting now more towards using Kai as the base and just replacing certain characters. I’ve been spot checking the original episodes and have been suprised how characters like Vegeta and Krillin go back and forth between the Z and Kai dubs. How do you choose which version to use?

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3 hours ago, brianycpht said:

So are you shifting now more towards using Kai as the base and just replacing certain characters. I’ve been spot checking the original episodes and have been suprised how characters like Vegeta and Krillin go back and forth between the Z and Kai dubs. How do you choose which version to use?

At this point pretty much.

It just depends on what sounds right. For example, most Frieza's henchmen are the Kai cast (with the exceptions being Jeice & Burter when I get to that point) because their script and performances are just "right" to my ears. At the same time, there's certain points early in Kai where Goku's annoyingly enthusiastic, and I feel like the '05 re-dub is sort of a perfect medium in a lot of those spots. I wanted Linda in there too for at least 1st form Frieza (Chris' will take over for 2nd form & up), but I down-pitched her voice by about 5% just to make her less screechy.

Then there's also cases where Kai has voices from several characters on top of each other, which gets difficult if I'm trying to splice in lines from an older voice actor. In about 95% of those cases I'm lucky and their speaking to the same voice actors, but in those 5% of cases I'll just be stuck with the original voices (It always happens though with minor characters that have like no more than 2 lines).

Then there's runtime to consider [I like to keep it broadcast-length minus the OP & ED] since there's only so many places that feel like a right start/endpoint for an episode and only so many words spoken by Hebert's narration.

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Hold on, cause the editing for this episode's on a MOUNTAIN of cocaine.

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Episode 32 - Escape From Dodoria up:

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Now hit the gym.

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