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Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance Primal Fear

Even bigger colossal failure?: Caring about ratings.

See, now your twisting words to make yourself into a victim. I don't care if you watched the show or not, that doesn't lessen my opinion on your intelligence. What's a strike against your intelligence is that you barely seem to have even watched a full episode, paid so little attention you can't distinguish who the main character is, and have spent the better part of a year ridiculing it for not moving fast enough WHEN YOU HAVEN'T EVEN WATCHED THE SHOW. You know what smart people do when they criticize a show? They watch the fucking show before making an extreme negative opinion to forcefeed everyone around them! You aren't obligated to watch anything you don't want to. You are obligated to watch something before forming an opinion on it.

But things do happen. Just because you don't like those things doesn't mean they don't happen. You didn't like the candle thing, I was fairly entertained by it. You don't like that characters sometimes gamble instead of punch, I love Kaiji and Liar Game so a little gambling in a shonen is welcome and I enjoyed it in this case. These are things happening, whether you like them or not. It's fine for you to say you don't like them, but to say nothing happens is disingenuous. And simply because you dislike them doesn't mean nobody does. This is why both your and Jman's arguments are colossal failures.

Gon wants to find his dad to find out why he was abandoned (a pretty human emotion), Kurapika wants revenge, Leorio is hiding something. That's 3 hooks. The 4th main character hadn't been introduced yet. But comparing a hour-long HBO drama pilot to a 20-minute shonen pilot is comparing apples and oranges. It's intellectually dishonest. Different kinds of shows approach introductions differently especially when one has 3 times the duration to develop. Not to mention the consideration that the early arcs of HxH are for a shonen magazine aimed at children. Although it does over time become a much more adult series (despite being in the same magazine - which accordingly led to quite a bit of censorship), the introductory pieces do need to be fairly simple so a kid can "get" it. But to me, most of the hooks in Westworld were kinda.... eh. I wasn't very interested in Dores' sentience, I didn't really care for the behind-the-scenes characters, and the Man in Black was probably the piece of it I had the least interest in.

I tried Westworld. Seems okay, but I actually couldn't find a good hook in it. That aside, fuck you for thinking that post was supposed to be nuanced intellectualism.

He watched, like, 1 episode and wasn't smart enough to figure out which character was the main character.

Let it be known, Jman got thoroughly decimated.

You can't even levy a single complaint about it, other than "hurrdurr im retarded not enuf splosions in da furst ep huurdurr *sux own cock* hurrrrrrrrr"

It was a handful of episodes in. But what you just admitted is that you don't know how slow it is or isn't, nor how much the characters grow (both major complaints) because you haven't really watched it. You didn't watch enough to even give examples. You don't even know which character is the protagonist In other words, you don't know anything about the show you're talking about. . Stfu 5ver.

As for Kurapika, the amount of time makes some sense given he's very young and from a clan completely secluded from the outside world. So, as an early teen he had to start nearly from scratch in terms of learning about the world, outside of a single book and a foreigner that helped him learn the language and some knowledge of the cultures, but only had like half a year. He gets the license to open resources to track the Troupe and as soon as he finishes helping with a situation he cared about (the Killua thing, because he does consider Killua a friend), he immediately began hunting the Troupe. Did you not see the time he dropped a massive guy for even pretending to be the Troupe, since so much as seeing anything loosely connected sends him into an uncontrollable rage?

Not an essay, no. I'm asking you to make a point. Gon isn't motivated by revenge.

But what constitutes for slow is subjective. Break down the way the characters fall flat. How are they written poorly? What makes them uninteresting? You're using the vaguest terms possible because you're adamently opposed to putting an ounce of thought into your position. You'd rather bitch and moan over buzzwords than really dive into a character to expose how bland they are. Take for instance if I were to criticize Kirito for being bland: he lacks any personality of his own. The progress of Kirito's character is entirely incoherent. One way he lacks cogerence is how he insists on being a 'loner' but only becomes one when the plot necessitates it. He manages to join another person or group every single episode. His entire existence exemplifies this need to be adjusted to meet the plot's demands. For example, he has a melodramatic arc over his guild after they're all killed early on, he spends all of half an episode knowing them, the next half mourning and hoping to revive one, an eventual failure, then it's largely unimportant after the fact. There's no time to develop a connection to the situation and acts as a cheap way to create attachment to a character (Kirito) who will be a completely different character the next time you see him becsuse, apparently, the writer omitted multiple character arcs that take place in-betweeen each of thise side stories. So we end up with a horribly unliksble, largely unrelatable character that's rushed and underdeveloped. I think we can both agree Kirito is s bad character. But where you would simply say "Kirito is a terrible character" I would take the time to explain why he's a terrible character. The former isn't very persuasive. I won't say the latter will necessarily be persuasive, but at minimum cues into the logic behind the statement and thusly has potential to becone persuasive. So, in conclusion: How? In what way is Gon a poorly written character? Break down how my (somewhat rudimentary) analysis of the progression is wrong and address it point-by-point. "Boring" and "slow" isn't good enough to justify your incessant bitching.

I liked all the screaming and crying. 9/10

I don't know what area you're in and you've said before it's not too friendly to gay folk, but it would surprise me if there's absolutely no gay bars or the like. Unless it's a super rural area. Perhaps more tucked away and whatnot. Just try Googling gay bars in your area. You might actually find some, even if the area isn't as LGBT-friendly as it should. Then again, I'm in a fairly accepting area, so we have quite a few.

I listened to maybe 10-15 different shows (skipping arounfmd to different places) and I swear 90% of his complaints are "It has.....INCEST!" *thunderclap* I don't think he's capable of watching shows with contentbhe finds objectable, such as anything sexual or violence [with Ninja Scroll as an exception]. It made nearly every single segment I listened to ultra-cringey.

You haven't rebutted my points about the progress made. Simply say, "No it didn't happen!" doesn't mean it suddenly didn't happen. And while Gon may follow a simple archetype, he does have an imdividualized personality with growth not necessarily in the expected direction. Yet again, "I don't like it" isn't interchangeable with "There is none".

Maybe if you want to exclusively appeal to 12-year-olds who don't know how to look up real porn yet.

Are you talking about the OwlChemist post at the top of the page 31? The wording of the post appears to be speculation. I don't know what they were basing it on, but According to the site he said he was waiting for results on, HxH got 679,000 viewers..... and Naruto got 675,000. http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-lions-seahawks-nbc-dips-9-year-viewership-low-saturday-night-nfl-wild-card/ So it literally did not lose out to Naruto.

You like Fairy Tail. Your opinion is invalid.

This guy fucking sucks.

Jman's default setting is pants-shitting rage.

Because shonens are so known for those fantastic training episodes. Wait... no, the training episodes in basically every shonen are the most boring shit imaginable. "Hurr punch durr no harder" [20 minutes later] "hurrdurr dats gud!" At least this made some level of sense and tried something new. And you severely exaggerate the phone thing. It was like, 3-4 minutes (protip: that's not half of a 22 minute episode) that are mostly there to establish how isolated the family forces Killua to be. So not only was it relevant to who Killua is as a person, but also not even close to the duration you inflate it to. I like that you just harp on 2-3 points about very specific instances and are universally wrong about them. Dao, is being wrong your default setting?

Gon sets out to become a Hunter to find dad. Gon becomes a Hunter. Gon feels cheated by not earning the license, and thus not deserving of the help the license provides. Gon works to meet his standards and to become deserving of the license, which only takes "Not done a lot to progress plot". Any other long running shonen, they'd still have the protagonist trying to get the license. And if the protagonist gets the reward through cheap bullshit, they wouldn't think twice about getting an easy out. That's a lot more progress and characterization than basically any other shonen, with few exceptions like FMA.

"I don't like how characters develop or the plot progression"=/=There is no character development or forward progress You don't seem to understand that you not liking the way something plays out doesn't equate to it not having those things.