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We finally have Programming Insider's report, which fills in the rest of the numbers: http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-ae-hallmark-adult-swim-benefit-night/ Note that Adult Swim still rules the night in 18-34, despite Live PD's recent success. But it's actually more WOMEN watching Live PD in the target demographics than men. That's a sign that Toonami needs to get a program with a strong female lead next year--they need Sailor Moon or something like that. Then again, it's unclear that even that would combat something like Live PD effectively since it would have to get a prime time encore. Live PD's rerun apparently doesn't do nearly as good as its live first run, so in that respect it's kinda like sports, which have an inconclusive effect on Toonami. TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 622,000 8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 751,000 (120.74%) 10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 1,164,000 11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 901,000 (77.41%) 11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 844,000 (93.67%) 12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 670,000 (79.38%) 12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 622,000 (92.84%) 1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 567,000 (91.16%) 1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 459,000 (80.95%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 501,000 (109.15%) 2:30 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 389,000 (77.64%) 3:00 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 365,000 (93.83%) 3:30 AM Samurai Jack (NPOT) 299,000 (81.92%) TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 590,889 Note: NPOT = Not Part of Toonami Dragon Ball Super's premiere steadily gains on its encore, but its official Toonami airing, its 2nd play, has the worst retention of the night in total viewers. I guess that's still OK, but we've seen how on other nights 11 PM gains from its lead-in. Small price to pay for having Toonami at 11 PM, right?? JoJo and GITS were the other worst-retaining shows of the night, but I believe those two problems will be mitigated somewhat because we're out of the "test dub" now with JoJo, while GITS is replaced by Outlaw Star. As for the Rick & Morty hour at 9 PM (not shown), the 9 PM airing actually VALLEYS after the Super premiere at 8:30, which speaks highly of the strength of Super premieres even in a crappy timeslot. ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 299,000 8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 414,000 (138.46%) 10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 698,000 11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 531,000 (76.07%) 11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 498,000 (93.79%) 12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 404,000 (81.12%) 12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 341,000 (84.41%) 1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 332,000 (97.36%) 1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 248,000 (74.70%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 273,000 (110.08%) 2:30 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 222,000 (81.32%) 3:00 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 220,000 (99.10%) 3:30 AM Samurai Jack (NPOT) 170,000 (77.27%) TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 341,000 Same pattern with the 18-49's, though 8:30 PM Super gained MUCH better on its lead-in, a rarely-seen over 1/3 as many viewers!! Its 11 PM airing did slightly worse, but both JoJo and GITS retained this demographic a bit better. Of course as with total viewers, Shippuden is once again retention champ of the night, which bodes well for it leading-in to Outlaw Star next week, and AOT may have looked like a chump in 12:30 premieres, but in 3 AM reruns it looks more like a champ! I daresay some weeks we might even see a progression in which Shippuden gains on Lupin, Outlaw Star gains on that, and then AOT gains on THAT! Perhaps [as] has finally achieved a "late night comeback" at 2-3 AM on Saturdays that it gets by rerunning AD/FG on weeknights! Oh yeah, and finally... CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 840,571 (28 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 1,049,310 (29 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 971,533 (30 episodes) JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 670,000 (2 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 676,444 (18 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 779,226 (62 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 504,750 (8 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 833,009 (169 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 484,308 (26 episodes, finished) Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 386,000 (3 episodes) Adults 18-49 Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 410,214 (28 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 634,966 (29 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 586,067 (30 episodes) JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 399,000 (2 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 411,556 (18 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 465,242 (62 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 295,750 (8 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 462,044 (152 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 296,462 (26 episodes, finished) Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 225,000 (3 episodes) Adults 18-34 (Estimated) Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 262,481 (27 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 395,900 (30 episodes) JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 269,667 (3 episodes) Tokyo Ghoul - 274,500 (18 episodes) Lupin the 3rd - 203,857 (7 episodes) Note no change to Lupin's 18-34 average since its 18-34 wasn't reported this week as it failed to make the Top 50. But in an ironic twist of events it actually stays above 200K on average! Keep in mind that even with crap numbers like these, Toonami still rules the night in 18-34, which is why it remains a valuable programming block and isn't going anywhere! As for Ghost In The Shell's first (and most likely only) HD run's final ratings average: well under 500K total viewers and just under 300K adults 18-49. Those are the numbers to beat for Outlaw Star!!

I actually thought Sword Art Online II was a little better than Sword Art Online 1. Granted, it was mostly "side stories" and no real high stakes, but the Phantom Bullet arc was a little different because it was sort of a mystery and it involved guns instead of swords. Both Ex-Calibur and Mother's Rosario arcs have some decent action, especially episodes 16-21, but the conclusion of the Mother's Rosario arc is REALLY heavy. I'd say you've got little to lose, so it's worth a try. I enjoyed the showdowns with Death Gun in the Phantom Bullet/Gun Gale Online arc, and the boss battles in the Ex-Calibur and Mother's Rosario arcs, which highlight each of the character's special moves. All in all, I would say it was worthy to be shown on Toonami, and averaged just under a million people watching!

This is straight-up nonsense. There is no "comedy team". DeMarco and Gill are HUGE fans of Rick & Morty, Decker, and Apollo Gauntlet. Hell, DeMarco is not only the head of Toonami, he's also VP of programming. Why they can't pull an AMC to promote their side project Toonami during the mainstream shows on Sunday nights is beyond me, though it is important to remember this is temporary and Toonami is more or less permanent. I seriously doubt the next 11:30 Sunday show will be able to outdraw Rick & Morty. And GOT already airs reruns on Saturday nights and that really doesn't hurt Toonami that much.

I think if Drifters ever gets a 2nd season, that's definitely one that Toonami should look into. It's from the same mangaka as Hellsing, the first season was pretty prominently featured on FUNi (hell, it's the reason I GOT FUNi in the first place), and they could blow through that right before dub-premiering the 2nd season AOT-style.

It's not "weeb crap". That would be subtitled anime shown only on Crunchyroll and Netflix. It's not rocket science--you've got one HUGE premiere, so why would you not market your 7 other premieres that aren't doing so hot on another night of the week. AMC did The Son and Turn promos during The Walking Dead/Fear TWD and now does Halt and Catch Fire promos during Preacher. What night do those 3 shows air? Saturday nights at 9/8C. So why can't [as] follow suit and do the same with its highest-rated premiere Rick & Morty, which has been shown to have a pretty decent crossover audience with Toonami's dwindling audience? Instead, they promote Old Spice in lieu of one of their promo spots, which strikes me as an incredibly dumb move! You don't see AMC doing anything like that! However, as bad as Lupin the 3rd did, it STILL managed to beat Turn's series finale in 18-49, so maybe on-air promos really don't do THAT much for shows? Oh yeah, I've got numbers, for what it's worth, as ShowBuzzDaily has updated: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-12-2017.html Adult Swim’s animated line-up was mostly down from last week: DRAGON BALL Z steady at 0.39, the primetime DRAGON BALL SUPER up a tick to 0.32, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE down 0.03 to 0.31, TOKYO GHOUL down 0.05 to 0.27, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.03 to 0.26/567K, LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.05 to 0.19, NARUTO down 0.05 to 0.21/501K, GHOST IN THE SHELL down 0.01 to 0.17/389K, ATTACK ON TITAN down 0.02 to 0.17/365K, and SAMURAI JACK down 0.04 to 0.13/299K. 11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 844,000 12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 670,000 (79.38%) 12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 622,000 (92.84%) 1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 567,000 (91.16%) 1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 459,000 (80.95%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 501,000 (109.15%) 2:30 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 389,000 (77.64%) 3:00 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 365,000 (93.83%) 3:30 AM Samurai Jack (NPOT) 299,000 (81.92%) Yep, I'm afraid JoJo dropped the ball. Too bad he wasn't playing Rugby... But Naruto--wow! I question if Lupin wasn't really 559K, though why would they screw it up 2 weeks in a row (some sites reported Lupin as 569K last week instead of 469K)? But Shippuden beat it in 18-49 as well by 0.02, so I'm thinking this time it's right. Adios, GITS! You gotta think that Outlaw Star will continue Shippuden's positive trajectory following Lupin next week, but I guess we'll see! And AOT still manages to retain pretty well afterward before Jack screws it up outside Toonami. Face it, with all that was going on in Charlottesville, this was a ROUGH week. Notice that in the Top 50, 21 slots went to cable news networks. That's why Lupin came in #58. We've seen something like this before, on January 21st, when Gundam Unicorn placed #50 and Dragon Ball Super's 8 PM premiere also placed exactly #58. So what happened then that gave news stations a huge edge? That's right, Trump's inauguration and the Women's March! So in conclusion, this is NOT normal. Even though Live PD is now a constant thorn in Toonami's side and there are the recurring nuisances that are UFC, Boxing, and the like, on days that those are a thing it usually does better than this, at least in terms of rankings. And still, with a 12:30 JoJo that came in #36 that week while 12:30 Tokyo Ghoul came in #21 this week, it appears that Charlottesville may not have done QUITE as much damage as the Trump inauguration/Women's March, even if numbers are lower these days on average than they were then. Edit: I checked, and I'm right. January 21st was WAY worse than this. This week Toonami/[as] managed 3 shows in the Top 10, while then DBZ: KFC only managed #20. A whopping TEN timeslots on CNN and 3 on Fox News ranked higher than that! http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-21-2017.html

I'm no TV exec, but I don't understand why they can't air a Toonami promo lineup during the middle commercial break of Rick & Morty premieres. Seems like it would be an easy thing to do and would probably raise views for Toonami shows by about 100-200K! It's like Toonami has won the prize of an 11 PM start time but ratings superiority on Saturday nights just doesn't matter anymore as long as Sundays are doing ok. Well, if they know what's good for them, they'll at least play a Dragon Ball Super promo after Decker: Mindwipe this week. It's its season finale and the Apollo Gauntlet that follows is a rerun. Or maybe Stardust Crusaders is doing so bad because everyone knows these 3 episodes are test dubs, and this week it starts doing a bit better? Hopefully Outlaw Star's return will get people watching through 2:30 AM once again at least, and if this strategy pans out, maybe replace it with G Gundam next year?

Well, so much for "positive trajectory..." http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-8-12-2017.html 8/12/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8:30) #5 (+5) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.38 Estimated 18-34 - 258,000 ( 34.35% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.32 Estimated 18-49 - 410,000 ( 54.59% ) Total Viewers - 751,000 8/12/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters #4 (-1) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.48 Estimated 18-34 - 326,000 ( 38.63% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.39 Estimated 18-49 - 500,000 ( 59.24% ) Total Viewers - 844,000 8/12/2017 JJBA: Stardust Crusaders - #8 (-4) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.35 Estimated 18-34 - 238,000 ( 35.00% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.31 Estimated 18-49 - 397,000 ( 58.38% ) Total Viewers - 680,000 8/12/2017 Tokyo Ghoul - #21 (-15) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.31 Estimated 18-34 - 211,000 ( 33.92% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.27 Estimated 18-49 - 346,000 ( 55.63% ) Total Viewers - 622,000 8/12/2017 Lupin the 3rd - #58 (-40) Adults 18-34 Rating - #N/A Estimated 18-34 - #N/A ( #N/A ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.19 Estimated 18-49 - 244,000 ( 53.16% ) Total Viewers - 459,000 Yeah, that's right. A show did so poorly at 1:30 AM we don't even get to find out how well it did in 18-34. Well, at least Gundam never did THAT! Despite Toonami's relative enfeeblement in total viewers and adults 18-49 compared to 2 years ago, I don't think it's in danger of getting cancelled because it's still owning the 18-34s in its timeslot. Live PD still won the night versus an NFL Preseason game, but will it do as well against College Football? And what will that do to Toonami? Hopefully Outlaw Star will be just what Toonami needed in a 2:30 AM anchor show for a while, because GITS was an unfortunate failure in that regard if Lupin and Shippuden weren't even cracking 0.2 in 18-49.

Except that the only true "dub premieres" on the block anymore are Stardust Crusaders, Hunter x Hunter, and Lupin the 3rd. Maybe DBZ Kai still qualifies but I'm not sure. I don't think that episodes beyond 122 or so have been released on DVD, and we're well past that. Gundam IBO S2 will of course add a 5th dub premiere, but who knows what kind of show Lupin the 3rd will be replaced with? That would be a great timeslot for Blue Exorcist: Kyoto Saga if Hulu's exclusivity clause is extremely limited, only covering the time period in which the show is actually premiering on Hulu. But as we've seen with Sailor Moon, that's extremely unlikely.

I suppose you're right, though I daresay they should have gone after MHA instead of Tokyo Ghoul. They might have beat Netflix to the punch if they'd have at least done that! Of course, we wouldn't be getting IBO S2 this October, but small price to pay.

If you're just getting into JoJo now with Stardust Crusaders, wanna know what Joseph Joestar was like when he was younger? Well you're in luck. Not only are Episodes 11-15 now streaming on the Marathon Stream, but Episode 10 is now available streaming on its own for free with no cable log-in required! So you can watch all the way through Episode 20 this week courtesy of [as] and Toonami! However, given recent events, this is certainly odd timing. In a time where white supremacists and neo-Nazis are either empowered or hated with a brand new fervor, why show an anime which actually uses them to help the protagonist? If you ask me, 1-10, which feature Phantom Blood (which does more to set up Part 3, which is currently airing on Toonami TV) and New York's JoJo (which is Part 2 but doesn't get to the Germans just yet), would have been a better choice, but Joseph Joestar's antics are a hoot seen even for the umpteenth time, so I'll give it a pass.

Isn't it 130 days??

And if we're lucky, it might even be a Tokyo Ghoul marathon! There will be 8 episodes of Root A out then, and Toonami has 9 slots, so of course they'll air the last episode of Season 1 at 11 followed by the first 8 episodes of Root A, though I guess they could just air Root A's first 8, then AOT S2 since it's a rerun...

Yeah really? Separate releases?? When's the last time anything like that happened? Blue Exorcist?? What they SHOULD do is include the Japanese track with the sub in the SAME package, even if the whole thing is like 20 bucks more! But I really hope at least the English dub will include the original OP as an extra. That alone would make me happy, if I can ever afford to buy the damn thing!

My point was can someone who's seen the sub of JoJo: Stardust Crusaders confirm or deny whether or not there was a preview cut as there was last time? Your logic is sound though. It might be a special thing that was done only for Episode 2 that doesn't appear in every episode!

MHA, coming to Toonami 2019... [maybe]

Apparently, it's not as uncommon as you think! Remember this kid? Also, here's my Top 10 for last night! Honorable Mention - THAT OUTLAW STAR PROMO!!! #10. Tokyo Ghoul - Root A is dead last yet again as the best part of the episode was the fact that Amon likes doing push-ups. #09. Dragon Ball Super - Don't get me wrong, the new storyline is intriguing and Beerus is hilarious, but it was so full of plotholes I just can't give a pass. #08. DBZ Kai - Buu and Babidi both returned, and Gohan is revealed to also be alive, but not much else happened here! #07. Samurai Jack - Ashi fights with and defeats her past, only to embrace a future she won't even be part of. #06. Ghost In The Shell - We say goodbye to the first season with a classic episode that is big on heady dialog but light on action. #05. Attack on Titan - The only time the possible plan to block the hole in Wall Rose is mentioned in Season 2. #04. Shippuden - Naruto defeats the last of the fake Pains, so it's FINALLY TIME to take on the real one--next week! #03. Hunter x Hunter - We go deeper into the game, and Gon and Killua start kicking ass on some monsters! #02. Lupin the 3rd - Lupin might be a thief, but he's no kidnapper! Also, Mr. Nix from MI6 returns and the overarching plot is revealed! #01. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders - A new sense of urgency descends on the group, and a new mission, plus we got a tasteful, long-ish cut of the OP and the FULL ED! What wasn't to love?

I have a feeling somehow they'll be able to weaken Holly's stand without actually killing DIO to the point she'll be able to gain control of it... ...but that's just my guess. I guess we'll find out over the coming weeks! Yes, this has indeed made my #1 pick of Toonami for this week! BTW, did we give up last-episode recaps? Or was there not one in this episode?

Darn it, why did I forget about this discussion? Well, switching back and forth between 3 plus trying to watch the episode and maybe JoJo at the same time on my smartphone something gets lost, I guess... But it is funny to just see Beavis and Butthead, umm, excuse me, Reiner and Bertholdt just dicking around in the background!

I thought this at the same time!

Wasn't 2nd Gig originally in HD? But I do believe they'll play it at 3 AM following AOT S2!

Alright, let's finish this!!!

Damn, another major cliffhanger! Oh well, on to the conclusion of GITS!!

This final battle got quite political!

Sadly, almost completely true. There are still those who rule who don't hate, but these days they're few and far between. It's time for a Love Revolution. We must Let Love Rule! Too bad Lenny Kravitz won't be running for President!

Ah, there IS an overarching plot! I guess we'll find out what that means next week, assuming we make it through next week!