OwlChemist81

Thanks! But MAL is only ONE metric, and we must consider others. We also must consider if we want "popular" or we want GOOD. They're not always equivalent. IBO might be in the thousands in MAL ranking but on ANN most reviews are in the B- to B+ category. And Lupin usually reviews as an A+, but it's #2220 on MAL!? But is this specifically Part 4 or the entire franchise? Also, the problem with MAL is there's no distinction between sub and dub. Sure, those series might be ranked in the thousands, but in terms of VIABLE TOONAMI shows? Probably closer to 300 or 500, right? Even so, what ARE some high-ranked MAL shows you would suggest for Toonami? Are we sure their popularity has nothing to do with how good they are? These are all pertinent questions. Also, MAL isn't completely definitive among anime fans; I'm not even on it. In short, the metric is flawed!

The question I was asking was could [as] be involved in making continuations to JoJo and Hunter x Hunter, when the time comes for those respective series to run out of episodes in Japan? This would be unprecedented for both, but maybe they wouldn't be stonewalled as badly as they were with Bleach. Bleach had much better ratings and it didn't happen, so I doubt unless there is interest in continuing both currently-airing-on-[as] adaptations in Japan, [as]/Toonami will be able to bankroll either. They'll probably just move on to other series after they reach their current unfinished conclusions. But hopefully we'll hear something on both fronts this year. I would say reruns at 3 AM for one or both series when the time comes IS possible if there are no continuations, but I guess that also depends on the length of the deal with Viz. Obviously DBZ Kai is first up of the long-runners for the potential of THAT treatment!

I've gone all the way back to the beginning of 2013, and I can't find anything lower. But Bebop is one of those series that wasn't expensive for them, so I guess that makes it ok. The "unholy megabomb" back on 12/13/14 averaged 536K. Last week's average was 539K, which is still higher. BUT if you compare the common portion of both blocks, the 11:30-4 AM portion, last week's was lower, by almost 100K (555K to 455K)!

I don't understand it, because on paper, this is a DREAM lineup! Sure, Black Clover is a poor substitute for Blue Exorcist (which wasn't even that great to begin with), but 2 Dragon Ball series, JoJo, Gundam, AND Hunter x Hunter? One thing I'd say about Toonami is they have managed to scoop up some of the best FRANCHISES, and at that, they're doing exceptionally well, even if the ratings are kinda rough right now. Gundam has an asston of series, and even though we don't know the details of the deal they made to air them, I'll wager IBO isn't the last we'll see of Gundams on this block. Meanwhile, JoJo and Hunter x Hunter still have enough episodes left to get us through 2019 or 2020. But with ratings this low, CAN [as] really be involved in the continuation of one or both series? We've got Lupin Part 5 coming out before JoJo Part 5, and that's a problem. Stardust Crusaders has been a disappointment, but I still feel they need to finish it. And a Gundam series COULD STILL perk up the ratings in the future like a bolt of lightning. And finally, hopefully this new series, whatever it might be, will be just what Toonami needs at like 11 PM to revitalize its ratings.

The total viewers average was 539,364. There are only 2 times the block was lower in 2017: the 11 PM-4 AM block which ared on 11/11/17 (532K) and the Cowboy Bebop marathon (12/23/17, 426K). As for Adults 18-49, the average was 328,182. There were 6 times the block was lower in 2017: the aforementioned, as well as 12/9; 10/28 (Samurai Jack Season 5's 2nd Marathon); 7/29; and 7/1 (Attack on Titan Season 2 Marathon). The Yearly Block Average across all timeslots in 2017 was 664,507. That's way down from 2016's average of 908,473. Meanwhile, with Adults 18-49, the average for all timeslots in 2017 was 411,413, which is also way down from 2016's 530,813. In both cases, so far 2018's average is way down, but it's of course important to remember it's only one week so far. I really hope Toonami will be able to stay their course for the whole year, but it seems like things can't get much worse, or else they might not be able to. However, given the increase throughout most of December prior to the holiday marathons' interruption, this seems like a bump in the road.

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-cable-final-nationals-titans-chiefs-espn-tops-day-least-watched-nfl-playoff-game-six-years/ Notice they have stopped posting Family Guy's ratings, and our own Sketch has asked for them so we can see if Super dropped from there. Also, check out those rankings for the first 5 Toonami shows across all cable (not just originals). Not necessarily encouraging... PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000) 10:30 Dragon Ball Super 971 0.46 589 11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 869 0.40 511 11:30 Black Clover 642 0.31 396 12:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 530 0.27 342 12:30a Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans 462 0.24 303 1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 454 0.21 272 1:30a Lupin the 3rd: Part 4 427 0.20 261 2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 384 0.18 230 2:30a Outlaw Star (r) 386 0.17 222 3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 407 0.19 245 3:30a Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig (r) 401 0.19 239

ShowBuzzDaily updated; full total viewers now available: TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION 10:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 971,000 11:00 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 869,000 (89.50%) 11:30 PM Black Clover 642,000 (73.88%) 12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 530,000 (82.55%) 12:30 AM Gundam IBO S2 462,000 (87.17%) 1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 454,000 (98.27%) 1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 427,000 (94.05%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 384,000 (89.93%) 2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 386,000 (100.52%) 3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 407,000 (105.44%) 3:30 AM GITS: SAC 2nd Gig 401,000 (98.53%) TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 539,364 Way to go, Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=19982 Ok, ok, I stand corrected. But it seems it was released in its entirety on the 'Flix on FRIDAY. That probably didn't do much to hurt Toonami's ratings, and if it did, you can bet it won't be as much of an issue in coming weeks. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-1-6-2018.html www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-16-2017.html Live PD and NFL Playoff games are more prime suspects, and unfortunately they'll still be a thorn in Toonami's side next week, as CBS has another game which will air right into the Dragon Balls. But then again, NFL and Live PD were both a thing in December as well, so maybe the reason for the dropoff WAS Devilman. DBS actually edged out Live PD on 12/16/17, but the NFL game was watched by HUGE amount more viewers last Saturday than 3 weeks ago. So I think it's much more reasonable to infer that the NFL did the bulk of the damage, as the game, watched by over 22 MILLION people pulled a 5.3 in Adults 18-34 and a 7.0 in Adults 18-49, while on 12/16, those numbers were just under 7 MILLION, 2.14, and 1.60. That's a huge difference, so in conclusion I blame the NFL, NOT Devilman nor Live PD.

I think you're seriously overestimating the audience of Devilman Crybaby on Netflix. Hell, it probably doesn't even have a dub yet.

Also, this... Year-To-Year 1/7/17 Viewers 1/6/18 Viewers %Chg 10:30 PM Family Guy 1,316,000 Dragon Ball Super 971,000 -26% 11:00 PM Family Guy 1,629,000 DBZ Kai FC 869,000 -47% 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,369,000 Black Clover 642,000 -53% 12:00 AM DBZ Kai Final Ch. 1,124,000 JoJo's BA: SC 530,000 -53% 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adv. 900,000 Gundam IBO 462,000 -49% 1:00 AM Gundam Unicorn 747,000 H x H ???,000 #VALUE! 1:30 AM Hunter x Hunter 679,000 Lupin the 3rd 427,000 -37%

It sure is looking that way. Rank 1/6/18 12/16/17 Chg Dragon Ball Super #4 #9 +5 DBZ Kai Final Ch. #5 #12 +7 Black Clover #14 #15 +1 JoJo's BA: SC #27 #20 -7 Gundam IBO #32 #31 -1 Lupin the 3rd #40 #45 +5 But at least it went up a notch in the rankings this week. However... Side-by-side 1/6/18 12/16/17 %Chg Dragon Ball Super 971,000 1,236,000 -21% DBZ Kai Final Ch. 869,000 1,103,000 -21% Black Clover 642,000 836,000 -23% JoJo's BA: SC 530,000 617,000 -14% Gundam IBO 462,000 501,000 -8% Lupin the 3rd 427,000 422,000 +1% Adults 18-49 1/6/18 (est.) 12/16/17 %Chg Dragon Ball Super 590,000 697,000 -15% DBZ Kai Final Ch. 513,000 623,000 -18% Black Clover 397,000 480,000 -17% JoJo's BA: SC 346,000 385,000 -10% Gundam IBO 295,000 302,000 -2% Lupin the 3rd 256,000 248,000 +3% Adults 18-34 (est.) 1/6/18 12/16/17 %Chg Dragon Ball Super 415,000 449,000 -8% DBZ Kai Final Ch. 367,000 415,000 -12% Black Clover 272,000 299,000 -9% JoJo's BA: SC 245,000 251,000 -2% Gundam IBO 211,000 204,000 +3% Lupin the 3rd 183,000 156,000 +17% It REALLY tumbled in terms of total viewers vs. the last normal lineup 3 weeks ago. Only Lupin was a winner in gains from 3 weeks ago, and only big in 18-34...

Well, that's certainly a major step backwards... Trying to get this data to display properly in portrait-view mobile for the new year. Stay tuned and see if it's a lost cause...

Well, we really don't know if this was a "mistake" or not. And it MIGHT still be "corrected" in mid-week. Chance of that happening for IBO 18 to go back to Unicorn 18, which was programmed to stream over the weekend, was virtually nil. Given the fact that rather than streaming IBO 21-25 leading into the new season, they streamed Unicorn 1-5, and never "corrected" that, I'm guessing they probably won't. I wish someone was running the Toonami stream during the week who actually gave a shit about it. But because of the sheer volume of shows on the Saturday on-air broadcast, watching the weekend stream can be pretty worthwhile now.

Because an edit won't bump the thread, I'll BUMP for this news now: The marathon stream DIO would have a choice word for is now streaming JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Season 1, Episodes 6-10. Not sure why they decided to go back that far in the series, but if you ask me, this is when the series was at its best. Enjoy the British accents, Hellsing-like score, and "Roundabout!"

That'll do it for the night! Everyone have a great week and come back for more next Saturday! LATER!!

Yeah, for real!! Ramen...

Eh, it is what it is.

Here we go!! It's time for Ghost In The Shell: SAC 2nd Gig! And I've got Gundam IBO on my little screen! What a shocking twist in that show earlier tonight!

The iconic line: "Whatever happens, happens!"

Who else is here? This is a good episode!!

If that were the case, the 2nd half would be the most cursed part of a TV show ever!

ON to Cowboy Bebop!!

What's with those blue lines that sometimes appear within our posts?

Uh oh...

The Old Man and the Sea... ...IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE!!!