_lost_username_ Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 So, some questions after reading this: What is the future of Los Angeles considering California is starting to experience a population decline? What U.S. city will displace Los Angeles as No. 2 in the US and how long (if it is on the same track as the state)? Will New York City feel the same population decline as the rest of the state (which is on track to lose two congressional seats)? Where is the population gravity of the country in your opinion? So, the article: Quote Places with more than 10 million residents — known as megacities — are becoming more common as people from rural areas migrate to urban ones. Quote The U.S. has two megacities — New York and Los Angeles — but only New York cracked the global top 20, according to Macrotrends, a research platform for investors that published side-by-side rankings of the most populous cities in the U.S. and the world. Rounding out the top 10 in the U.S.: Chicago, Houston, Dallas-Fort Worth, Miami, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C. and Phoenix. https://www.axios.com/rise-of-megacities-world-3c212d8e-a269-45b9-9e74-3106ed681e9c.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Ppl are moving to the south and the west Florida Georgia Texas oregon washington nevada Arizona Utah Colorado California is more like topped out than really declining 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Poof said: California is more like topped out than really declining Everything that I've seen has pointed at decline, which is benefiting other states, particularly Texas. The biggest reason people used to leave California was due to the cost of living but now the environment is playing an even bigger role. People are giving up due to the air quality, water shortages and, of course, having homes burnt down by wildfires almost as soon as they're rebuilt. Plus, California is starting to lose the industry that drew so many there over the last three decades: Tech. Overall, the population trend is negative for California and looks like it will be accelerating over the next decade: https://qz.com/1599150/californias-population-could-start-shrinking-very-soon/ It is going to lose at least one congressional district by the next election. California has always been a state dependent on people going there from other places, not families that stay for generation after generation. The market for workers looking to make big moves has become more competitive and California is losing. It's going to be the most populous state for awhile, but the trend is that more people are leaving than are coming. If the military didn't have so many operations there, the loss would probably be more pronounced. We still have no idea the effect coronavirus has had on the population yet, but we know it's bad. Newsom isn't to blame, he's just been left with an impossible situation, even before coronavirus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, Poof said: oregon washington Oregon had seen growth really slow in 2019 and word is 2020 is going to be a bad year, particularly due to Portland losing its shine. Washington looks to be doing OK, but it's experiencing the same problem as far as becoming too expensive for anyone but single professionals to live, at least as far as the metro areas. Idaho, Arizona and Utah seem to be the places everyone wants to be as far as the Western states go now. That will probably mean more congressional seats for Republicans thanks to the way the districts will be drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnmjy Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I imagine Houston and Dallas will grow and Texas will become blue by the end of the decade, whereas some rust belt states will become rustier i.e. redder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 So despite its population increasing due to births you’re saying families aren’t staying there? You can’t ignore the international migration too. Domestic transplants are leaving bc they realize they never wanted that lifestyle and prefer more space at home since they never go out. Or they’re running away from all the latinx bc they quietly can’t deal w/that. Like I’m from northeast Ohio u keep using this word decline quite loosely I remember these blocks: looking like these blocks: that’s decline. If the main motivator is that a place is too expensive that’s the population reaching a limit not becoming the next rust belt. the surrounding states keep going up bc the transplants realize those places aren’t filled up so cheaper and just about as liberal and trendy. But like I said domestic transplants are just one factor. when they start bulldozing houses and not rebuilding them then I’ll believe the California exodus. The very concept of them rebuilding houses that burn down in a fiery apocalypse speaks volumes to the sustained demand for that property Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 I'm not sure the point you're trying to make here. You're not pointing at any statistical information. The exodus from California is spread across most demographic groups: https://calmatters.org/projects/california-black-population-exodus/ https://www.city-journal.org/html/california-economy-16076.html Even the immigrant population is leaving: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-10-16/reverse-migration-california-coronavirus-covid-pandemic Ohio's and the Midwest's decline is no secret and has been a thing for years. Not sure what the relevance is aside from "they're heading south too." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, ZoomBubba said: I'm not sure the point you're trying to make here. You're not pointing at any statistical information. The exodus from California is spread across most demographic groups: https://calmatters.org/projects/california-black-population-exodus/ https://www.city-journal.org/html/california-economy-16076.html Even the immigrant population is leaving: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-10-16/reverse-migration-california-coronavirus-covid-pandemic Ohio's and the Midwest's decline is no secret and has been a thing for years. Not sure what the relevance is aside from "they're heading south too." Lol omfg are u kidding? I was referring to data in the last article that YOU posted jfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Poof said: Lol omfg are u kidding? I was referring to data in the last article that YOU posted jfc You're not citing anything in specific. Births have gone down in the state and lower and middle income families are leaving. Quote While the volume of outbound movers was on par with 2019’s total, in-migration to California was severely hampered by the COVID-19 pandemic. New visas weren’t granted to immigrants coming to the state for work opportunities, would-be newcomers faced a precarious job market, and 14,000 fewer babies were born amid the global health crisis. Also: Quote Or they’re running away from all the latinx bc they quietly can’t deal w/that. Are you even familiar with the demographic makeup of Nevada, Arizona, Georgia and Texas? If people are seeking places where they don't want to live around minorities then Vermont, Oregon and Iowa would be exploding in population right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, ZoomBubba said: If people are seeking places where they don't want to live around minorities then Vermont, Oregon and Iowa would be exploding in population right now. I'm going to need you to cite something in specific to back up this claim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Vermont: 94.2 percent white Oregon: 86 percent white Iowa: 90 percent white If people from California are looking to be away from minorities, they're not heading to the whitest states. I'm still trying to figure out what sort of point you're trying to make. I'm not even sure what you're even taking issue with aside from "California is losing population to other states." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Not sure what any of this is, but I think any data that suggests that California is declining sounds highly suspect. Like Poof is suggesting, there is a certain degree of the population topping out that's been evident for a few years. The homelessness boom has been an issue for a very long time, and that contributes to a transitory population. The reality is that any data will be skewed until the pandemic is ended sometime in 2022, and that's when we will know if there is a permanent and persistent exodus or if it's somewhat stabilized. It's a given that a lot of the people who left during the pandemic will not return because they can continue to remote their jobs. The tech companies that are most established and on the downside of the curve as it were are the ones I've seen relocate so far. The bay area continues to retain its startup hub properties. This is all to say that I have seen no evidence of a sustained exodus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poof Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 55 minutes ago, ZoomBubba said: Vermont: 94.2 percent white Oregon: 86 percent white Iowa: 90 percent white If people from California are looking to be away from minorities, they're not heading to the whitest states. I'm still trying to figure out what sort of point you're trying to make. I'm not even sure what you're even taking issue with aside from "California is losing population to other states." tbh I've exhausted all level of caring about this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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