ben0119 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 2 hours ago, mochi said: comically serious can be done right.....DBS does not do it right, if it did I'd enjoy it (a good comically serious character is one who can be used for comic relief but still be important and cool in situations where he's supposed to be, Super has not managed to make me feel like any of the serious arcs have used Vegeta to his full potential as a character) I don't really see how you think this. It's well known that Vegeta suffers from Worf Syndrome. This is how it was in DBZ. If anything, Vegeta is doing better in Super, because he's actually on Goku's level. In DBZ, he was always playing catch up. Only real difference is the comedic stuff. Which again, because it's Vegeta, makes it funnier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Just now, ben0119 said: I don't really see how you think this. It's well known that Vegeta suffers from Worf Syndrome. This is how it was in DBZ. If anything, Vegeta is doing better in Super, because he's actually on Goku's level. In DBZ, he was always playing catch up. Only real difference is the comedic stuff. Which again, because it's Vegeta, makes it funnier. he's only won low stakes battles in Super the Botg arc was basically just him dancing around and making himself look like a moron he wasn't allowed to beat Frieza the U6 vs. U7 arc ended up being meaningless he LITERALLY DID NOTHING in the Black Goku arc I've given up on ever seeing him win a legitimate battle of his own power and being allowed to take actual credit for it in Super he's basically done nothing in Super, all his battles are hollow and completely meaningless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, mochi said: he's only won low stakes battles in Super the Botg arc was basically just him dancing around and making himself look like a moron he wasn't allowed to beat Frieza the U6 vs. U7 arc ended up being meaningless he LITERALLY DID NOTHING in the Black Goku arc I've given up on ever seeing him win a legitimate battle of his own power and being allowed to take actual credit for it in Super he's basically done nothing in Super, all his battles are hollow and completely meaningless Compared to what? He never beat a main villain in DBZ. Still got a stick up your butt, I see. Eh to me it still counts. It's Goku's fault for allowing that to happen anyway. He took too long to finish off Frieza. I don't think it's meaningless. It's obvious stuff was set up for later. And Vegeta did beat Frost and that robot guy. Uh, what? Did you not watch the arc? He fought against Goku Black and Zamasu and guided Trunks. I really don't see where you're getting that from. You've got a very creative way of interpreting things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ben0119 said: Compared to what? He never beat a main villain in DBZ. Still got a stick up your butt, I see. Eh to me it still counts. It's Goku's fault for allowing that to happen anyway. He took too long to finish off Frieza. I don't think it's meaningless. It's obvious stuff was set up for later. And Vegeta did beat Frost and that robot guy. Uh, what? Did you not watch the arc? He fought against Goku Black and Zamasu and guided Trunks. I really don't see where you're getting that from. You've got a very creative way of interpreting things. he didn't beat main villains in Z but he still got to beat some enemies in Super he's basically not been allowed to beat anybody, he's just been sucking on binkies and getting beaten up by Arale I just wanna see him fight for fucking real he still hasn't done that in super I don't want him to beat the main big bad, he's not the star afte all, just show that he's ACTUALLY a member of the team who is necessary and important Edited July 8, 2018 by mochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 The premise of this filler is that.. Champa wants some Earth food? Doesn't he have his own Earth now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Just now, rpgamer said: The premise of this filler is that.. Champa wants some Earth food? Doesn't he have his own Earth now? guess Toriyama forgot his version of earth was wished back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Think they could've at least kept Champa's food motivation more of a priority. "He got so wrapped up in the competition" just feels like too much of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, mochi said: he didn't beat main villains in Z but he still got to beat some enemies in Super he's basically not been allowed to beat anybody, he's just been sucking on binkies and getting beaten up by Arale I just wanna see him fight for fucking real he still hasn't done that in super I don't want him to beat the main big bad, he's not the star afte all, just show that he's ACTUALLY a member of the team who is necessary and important But he has beaten enemies. I just listed some. You also seem to forget all the times Vegeta fucked things up. At least he's not doing that anymore. Those were 2 episodes... again why can't you take a joke when it involves Vegeta? Pretty sure we saw him fight for real multiple times, but ok. Hmm, but Vegeta is responsible for most of Goku's and his own progress in this series. Edited July 8, 2018 by ben0119 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 hour ago, mochi said: guess Toriyama forgot his version of earth was wished back Seemed like that was going to be important too lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ben0119 said: But he has beaten enemies. I just listed some. You also seem to forget all the times Vegeta fucked things up. At least he's not doing that anymore. Those were 2 episodes... again why can't you take a joke when it involves Vegeta? Pretty sure we saw him fight for real multiple times, but ok. Hmm, but Vegeta is responsible for most of Goku's and his own progress in this series. what progress? and the only enemy he beat legitimately was Auta Magetta, which Beerus said wasn't a legitimate victory because Vegeta won by insulting him and he did nothing with Trunks since Trunks lost and if Vegeta ACTUALLY did stuff outside of the eps where he's treated like a Joke I could take the joke but he's done ABSOLUELY FREAKING NOTHING so far HE'S JUST BEEN STANDING THERE LOOKING LIKE AN IDIOT THIS WHOLE TIME, THE FEW TIMES HE COMES CLOSE TO A VICTORY THE SHOW ROBS HIM OF IT, AND THE ONE TIME HE DID GET A GENUINE WIN THE SHOW SAID IT DIDN'T COUNT!!!! Edited July 8, 2018 by mochi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Just now, mochi said: what progress? and the only enemy he beat legitimately was Auta Magetta, which Beerus said wasn't a legitimate victory because Vegeta won by insulting him and he did nothing with Trunks since Trunks lost He was one of the Saiyans that donated power for Goku to become a Super Saiyan God, and got the training jumpstarted with Whis. Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be where they are now if not for Vegeta having forethought and being proactive. He beat Frost. And are you really going to listen to Beerus? Would have beaten Frieza if not for Goku's idiocy and Frieza pulling a dirty trick. Umm you call it nothing because Trunks lost? Wow. Ok, everybody, it only matters to a character's growth and development if they win. And no one beat Zamasu/Black, in case you forgot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 minute ago, ben0119 said: He was one of the Saiyans that donated power for Goku to become a Super Saiyan God, and got the training jumpstarted with Whis. Goku and Vegeta wouldn't be where they are now if not for Vegeta having forethought and being proactive. He beat Frost. And are you really going to listen to Beerus? Would have beaten Frieza if not for Goku's idiocy and Frieza pulling a dirty trick. Umm you call it nothing because Trunks lost? Wow. Ok, everybody, it only matters to a character's growth and development if they win. And no one beat Zamasu/Black, in case you forgot. the entire Zamasu arc was meaningless from start to finish so it's hard to count anything that happened in that arc as even being canon since none of that arc mattered at all and even though you have a point about them only being where the are now because of Vegeta the show has never once given Vegeta credit for that hell they even had Bulma of all people say Vegeta was a worthless fuck up in the Zamasu arc, and up till that arc she'd been very supportive of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, mochi said: the entire Zamasu arc was meaningless from start to finish so it's hard to count anything that happened in that arc as even being canon since none of that arc mattered at all and even though you have a point about them only being where the are now because of Vegeta the show has never once given Vegeta credit for that hell they even had Bulma of all people say Vegeta was a worthless fuck up in the Zamasu arc, and up till that arc she'd been very supportive of him I wouldn't say it was worthless in the terms of the fights, and character development. Mai and Trunks stuff was awful though. Maybe it shouldn't be canon for that LOL. Not really sure what you mean by the show not giving him credit for it. He's the one responsible, as was shown. It would be like saying we need to be reminded that Roshi invented the Kamehameha Wave constantly. What the hell do you want? Bulma said Goku was their only chance, which given he is more or less on equal with footing Vegeta, not only doesn't make sense, but seemed out of character for her. I will agree that was a bad, baffling line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Cute little episode! Nice upgrade on the "Wolf Fang Fist" from Dragon Ball! Sam Leach, ANN's reviewer, actually gave it a "B+"! https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/dragon-ball-super/episode-70/.109743 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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