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The old sign switcharoo? This car is reminding me of...

Is this ridiculous ceremony really necessary? Rofl morbidly obese Gotenks. Now sickly emaciated Gotenks! Do it right boys! The real Gotenks, finally! Some of the surprise spoiled by the screw-ups, but still epic nonetheless! Annnnnd he's already run right off to fight Buu! Hope you can handle it kid!

I wonder who sealed up the Old Kai. This guy is as bad as Master Roshi! Is this really happening right now? Goku is offering up a groping to this dirty old Kai? Don't tell me this is more accurate to the original script and manga! Videl, then Bulma? Notice how Goku isn't sacrificing ChiChi. Good thing you're already dead Goku!

It was nice to see Kaio Ken again after all this time, but how can you use it with a Super Saiyan transformation? I thought Super Saiyan, Blue, or otherwise, made it obsolete, and was possibly incompatible with it. I think it would've been neater and made more sense for Goku to incorporate Instant Transmission into his fighting and use that to counter the time skip.

Making the eyes of Super Saiyan Blue the same color as the hair was a bad design choice. Just doesn't look right.

This ref is way too overzealous with calling for the bell.

Oh I forgot they were doing that Countdown thing. Interesting. Why couldn't Vegeta figure that out? And how the hell can you "anticipate" a time skip move anyway? The whole point of it is you can't see what he's doing when he jumps forward in time so there should be no way to simply "anticipate" it. Damn right it's easier to go second and use the first battle to see what to do, grrr. Guess you're the sort of guy who yells when he powers up too. HOW did you refine your time skip and HOW does it work? Not even Goku would eat Arby's.

Well, that's not good.

Hey, what happened to my post? :robotmad

One Punch Man and JoJo were in big demand online, and got a lot of discussion and buzz. Not sure why JoJo didn't do well, which is unfortunate. Maybe it wasn't as popular as we thought, and the fans were just really active and excited? Don't care if it was a ratings dud, though, since it's awesome. Gundam... they have a Gundam fetish. Gundam really hasn't been relavent in the U.S. since the early to mid 2000s, and that's probably being generous. So, doesn't make much sense to go to such lengths to negotiate and possibly put themselves in a long term contract for multiple Gundam series when... no one cares. Hunter x Hunter is another example of their fetishes. It was one of those shows they "always wanted to air" so as soon as it became available, they pounced on it. And they got it so long after the fact because it took forever to get licensed, probably because no one in America cared and Viz took pity on it or got desperate. So, yeah, 2016 was pretty bad too. Only shining spots there for me are One Punch Man and JoJo. Super is a dud now, really? Most people don't like Gundam, and Unicorn was hilariously horrible. Tokyo Ghoul bombed too? So glad they listened to those fan requests for a show several years after it was new that sucked just for us to have to suffer through it and have it suck in the ratings. At least we had fun making fun of it, though. Lupin is known to be niche. I like Lupin, but again, this is another series they have a fetish for. They wanted to get Fujiko Mine and didn't, so they got Lupin Part IV, because they "always wanted to air a Lupin series." Both Tokyo Ghouls were awful quality wise, lol. Is Outlaw Star really doing that bad? That makes me sad, since I'm really enjoying it. It was one of the few Toonami or ASA shows that I missed from back then and I never got around to watching it, so this uncut airing was perfect for me. It's unfortunate that the audience today seemingly isn't interested. Maybe this falls victim to "too old" syndrome? Doesn't look bad, but the art style is dated maybe? Eh. They are classic anime fans but they like the modern stuff too and definitely seem aware of what's coming around the curve. Like I said, when asked at cons, etc about shows if they know about them, like JoJo and One Punch Man, which people really wanted on the block, they acknowledged they did. It was a way of asking and them pretty much being able to say they are aware of a show and are likely looking into airing it, without actually saying so. They would also be able to gauge possible hits to an extent by what is popular in Japan and in subs in the U.S. This isn't always effective, as there's plenty of shows Japan doesn't care about that America does, and vise versa, and shows aren't always popular in both sub and dub, but between that, and just keeping their eye on something they think might appeal to viewers even if it's not even already huge (remember when Toonami used to make hits?), they should be able to get something decent and do better than this! As for what's going on now, I'd say it's a combination of baffling decisions, along with the competition getting much more fierce. The indulge in their Gundam fetish endlessly even though no one cares, aired a rerun like Samurai Champloo, and various other older shows and shows people don't care about, like Hiatus, air Tokyo Ghoul years after the peak of its hype just because the fans wouldn't stfu, as opposed to getting some of the latest big shows. I'd also imagine some of them got bought out from under them, as well. Really, they've been off their game badly from how good they were doing before. It's gotten to the point where I've had to suspend my policy of saving shows for Toonami, because I can't rely on them to pick up the hits anymore. Or, hell, anything that great. Even though I've got backlogs of games, shows, tons of other hobbies and stuff I can do, so it made sense to do this, I couldn't take it anymore and went into anime withdrawal and had to start watching more stuff on my own again. Sad.

Well, they're going to lose money from having everything set up to film and then having to shut it all down, possibly pay people for not working, etc. Then there's the revenue lost from Season 6 not being on their service.

You know that was just me making fun of Alchemist right? He likes to apply everything to "Toonami" and "ratings." We call him a crackpot for a reason.

I know a decent amount from the various Q&A's, convention panels, interviews, Pre-Flight, etc. I have an idea for their taste and ethos for running the block. Sandstone is just pulling things out of his ass and assuming.

I always was and always will be sick of them. Also, we were on a nice marathon-free stride for a good while and I had pretty much forgot they existed and then BAM MARATHON. I'll refer you to what I said to Angel, as well.

Not only that, but they never did any Halloween marathons until that year where Toonami actually happened to fall on Halloween. That year there as at least some semblence of an excuse. But this time, with it on fucking Tuesday? Oh hell no. I did actually end up doing stuff that weekend, but still!

They also look different and say what they are on the box, or webpage, if you are buying online. A monitor will have fewer buttons and labels for said buttons, and the buttons/labels will be for different things. TV will also probably have a picture of the remote along with it. And yeah made by totally different companies in most cases. I mean Sony probably makes some monitors too but that's about it. My TV is LG, monitor is ASUS, for instance.

Countdown to OwlChemist81[/member] asking how the cancellation of production on season 6 of House of Cards after Kevin Spacey was exposed as the latest Hollywood creep could impact Netflix's ability to buy anime and possibly give an advantage to Toonami.

They do, and things like Tokyo Ghoul have won them. They got Tokyo Ghoul because people were requesting it in droves endlessly for years, though not sure why they waited until this long after the fact to pick it up... If anything they rely on those polls and fan feedback too much. Just because excited, diehard fans highly request something, or maybe even spam, doesn't mean everyone else will like it, or even they themselves will turn out to watch it. Not Toonami, but we saw a similar thing happen with Eva. "Internet Famous," but a dud on TV. Or be good. But keep in mind you'll probably rarely, if ever have a block where every show on it is good to you, and even shows that are bad to most of us, like Shippuden, can bring in monster ratings, so you kinda' have to have them around to keep the lights on, to then be able to air the quality shows which may or may not do well.

Don't post FAKE NEWS! Demarco, Gill, and the others definitely have a passion for anime and have been longtime fans. You obviously don't know them very well, or Toonami in general. I think the issue is more that they have a love affair with certain series and franchises and will favor them over others, and they'll also only air shows that they themselves like too, so they claim. If you look at Toonami's run, once they hit their stride, they were hitting it out of the park as far as getting in demand, popular, and fairly recent series. But the past year or so they've dropped the ball and been caught with their pants down so many times it's not even funny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Toonami Look at the table on the right and compare 2013 through 2016 to 2017 and it's like night and day. Hell I think the decline may have even started later in 2016. Don't know if the issue is just straight up bungling, or if they are getting destroyed by the competition in terms of acquisitions. I mean, they have acknowledged when asked that they were aware of certain shows that people wanted before they aired, like JoJo and One Punch Man, etc. but they can't say anything as far as whether they are looking into airing them, of course. Besides just the legal and business reasons, it's now become apparent that if Demarco so much as sneezes the name of an anime, someone else buys it out from under him. He had said not too long ago that if Netflix finds out they are interested in a series, and he probably doesn't even have to say anything publicly either, mind you, they offer double what Toonami bid and snap it up. So, if he's not talking about recent shows, there's a good reason for that. Maybe it is simply that the rest of the anime market has grown that much, that Toonami isn't having as easy pickings as before, or they are just making bad decisions. It's hard to say. People have been requesting Tiger & Bunny for a while, or were. I would say it is too late, but they aired other shows a few years after the peak of their hype, as well. The new Berserk anime is supposed to be horrible and cheap looking. Also, depending on how old a show is, or looks, the "too old" factor comes into play, in the event you are talking about the old series. It's similar to how some people won't watch black and white movies because they're black and white, or "it was before my time can't relate to it" or "it's cheesy and melodramatic" etc. whatever. Such shows don't do well with the general audience, sadly, so that puts them out of the running. Monster was a great series, but already aired on SyFy, and isn't an action series. Yuri on Ice is not an action series, unless some sort of Steven Seagal stuff goes on I don't know about. Steven Seagal movie with ice skating as the backdrop? Hmmm. From what I understand Steins Gate is not action, either. Now and Then Here and There aired on SyFy. Probably has enough action, but not sure what kind of ratings it would get. It could possibly go in the niche pick department a la Lupin or Michiko, but I'd say it's a longshot. Ushio and Tora gives me InuYasha vibes so I'm kind of interested in it and it has been suggested before. Magi was requested for years, not sure if they will pick it up at this point, and I think it's on Netflix. You're totally wrong about there being "only 2 dubbed things" on Netflix, by the way. And no way in hell would Netflix let them air dubbed versions of their subbed shows. They like to have both and already do for many series and I see no reason for that to change. But, Netflix had HxH subbed, first time it ever got officially localized in America, so I suppose such a scenario is possible, but I highly doubt any deal was negotiated between Netflix and Toonami. More likely that's how the licenser chose to ship it out. Anyway, that's about all the shows you suggested that I've seen or know something about that I care to comment on. They probably are, but are getting beaten to the punch. Or, Demarco chose to air a Gundam show instead.

Dude, how can you get a monitor and a TV confused? Come on.

Why the fuck are they wasting precious time and resources on compilation films?

Daos[/member] Still hilarious as fuck! > I actually had to pause it several times because I couldn't stop laughing! This one was pretty great too -

It has nothing to do with "time." The anime production team could have adapted the manga properly if they chose to. They were either lazy and half-assing it, or just wanted rush to get to the fights and edgy, gory stuff. That's of course if you buy the story of the "manga is totally good for realsies!" people. Even if the manga was adapted poorly, doesn't mean it was good. For instance, many of the same retarded plot points and characters from the "unfaithful anime" and "filler second season" are straight from the manga, as mangled as they may be...

Why are you posting this in here? So they made a sequel manga because the sequel anime got a negative reaction? Doesn't make much sense. I mean, it's not like the anime negated the manga. Probably just made a sequel manga because the first manga did well and a sequel was in demand, and the author had more story to tell. Shouldn't there be a second more manga faithful anime adaptation? Not really sure how this sequel manga adaptation will fix things since no one will know what is going on unless they read the manga.