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The terrifying part is that we don't know who is loyal to who within our military, police or even security agencies now. The security agencies are appointments and would be rather easy to clear out as far as Trumpists go. But white nationalists and other extremists have been encouraging their membership to join the military and police forces for years: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/11/military-right-wing-extremism-457861 I guess we're going to have to wait a few more days to see what happens. I am somewhat expecting a few counties to fall in line with Trump since the sovereign citizens movement is popular with many sheriffs who see themselves as the highest officials in the land: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/constitutional-sheriffs-cops-who-think-government-our-greatest-threat-n557381 I still think that most of these types are little more than keyboard warriors, but we have had private citizens training in militias and amassing arsenals for decades now, waiting for this moment. Considering my party preference is listed as "Democrat" in a heavily Republican County, I'm hoping they don't succeed in taking the courthouses. They could go through county voting registration and find who voted how.

Q-Anon Congress people are a "security risk":

Melania points out who the real victim in all of this is ... herself: https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/first-lady-melania-trump-path-forward/

I've checked CNN and other reliable sources and that cop has not been identified as Sicknick. I don't think it was him being beat here, Sicknick died from injuries resulting from being hit by a fire extinguisher.

"Assisting" is not the same thing as "protecting." If he had ordered the National Guard to assist the rioters to take the Capitol, he'd be sitting in an isolated high security cell right facing various sedition charges. The National Guard would not have accepted the orders and Trump has enough brains to know that giving such an order would mean his immediate end.

The story you posted contradicts your statement in the first few paragraphs: It's doubtful that the National Guard would have assisted the rioters, considering that runs contradictory to their purpose. The most likely situation is that they would have just stood by or turned to assist the police at the capitol.

We'll see. If there's one thing Trump lacks, it's the ability to control contradicting himself after he's made one of his hostage videos contradicting everything he said up to that point. They're already saying in private that he regrets that video and will probably go back to his old self in a matter of hours. He probably won't be able to generate the same mob, but he'll add evidence to the case for his removal.

I've kind of expected Murkowski to become an Independent at times. Time will tell with that, depending if that MAGAverse still holds the base or not. Murkowski was primaried by the Tea Party once, just to come back as a write-in and win. Could happen again with other Senators if they lose a primary to a MAGA. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533419-murkowski-calls-on-trump-to-resign-i-want-him-out

It's better leaving the identification of these people to the professionals. When a bunch of amateurs set out to identify people from Charlottesville, it turned into a mess. There were people being misidentified, sometimes intentionally so. If someone is incorrectly doxed like that, even if there is a public correction, the first thing potential employers, friends or lovers are going to see when they google them is "so and so is a Nazi." These net mobs are just destructive and usually wind up harming the side that they're supposed to be on because of bad PR.

Na, we are not the Weimar Republic or anywhere close to Post-WWI Germany. Not even close.

I think he's reached the limit as far as whipping up his followers then retreating when he feels the heat. I think he may cause a little stir in the 2022 primaries by throwing his weight behind fringe candidates, but I believe they will on the most part be beat. By 2024 his biggest influence will be when Democrats point to Jan. 6 as a reason not to vote for whatever Republican is nominated for the presidency (unless it's Hogan or Baker).

Pretty much. That was the high point of MAGA. Trump took a gun and shot himself in the head politically on Wednesday. He's finished as a major force in American politics.

Trump Jr. is even more annoying that his father. I actively avoid news clips where they are speaking. In a few weeks they are all heading to Florida to live in the new center of the MAGAverse. I'm thinking we'll see more of this incitement and whining for a couple of weeks before the crowds whither away to nothing and the Trumps just stop speaking in public. Aside from the election of 2016, Wednesday was the highpoint for the Trump family as far as the devotion of their base goes. Unlike 2016 where they had gradual ups and downs, Wednesday ended in a cliff. If you hear the chatter from their sites it's mostly either "it's over" or "this is bigger than Trump."

I told my wife not long before the election that his people may try to invade state capitols, city halls and county courthouses as part of some secessionist plot. I figured there would be a couple of states where they'd have a friendly legislature/governor that would let them march on in. I guess we still have Jan. 20 to see if this unfolds.

Kind of sums up the D.C. police yesterday.

Something that also went on. https://www.voanews.com/2020-usa-votes/trump-supporters-swarm-statehouses-across-us-some-evacuated

There are big differences between Trump and Hitler. Trump didn't have a vision, he just said what he thought would win him the moment. Hitler, on the other hand, knew what the goals were years before he actually gained power. Sort of like one had a masterplan and another had a chaotic Twitter feed. Trump surrounded himself with a disposable sycophants who tell him whatever he wants to hear at any given moment. Hitler was unfortunately surrounded by a deathly efficient inner circle. On a similar note, Trump's orbit was very unstable outside of family. Hitler's orbit was marked by its stability, so much so that the inner circle could be considered a single unit instead of Hitler and followers. Trump was almost always reactive, never proactive. It wasn't until we were well into WWII that the structure that the Nazi Party built started to crumble. Without Trump, there would be no Trumpism. On the other hand, without Hitler the Nazi Party would be able to continue (pre-1942, not post). Don't take this as praise for the Nazis, it's more of a reason they seemed to be an unstoppable force for the better part of a decade and Trump was constantly in crisis. If a disorganized blowhard like Trump can win the presidency, imagine what someone with Trump's charisma (for the right-extremists anyway) who had a master plan and was able to surround himself with a competent inner circle.

Most of the people who made it inside the Capitol seemed like they were more interested in selfies than overthrowing the government.

Police Response In D.C. Flies In The Face Of Right-Wing Self-Perception Link: https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/georgia-senate-election-results/

Just s place to talk about this instead of the overblown 2020 election thread ...

I have the same sentiment. For me the only two that jump in mind that I'd generally recommend to watch is the one about the farmers and the one about the robots wandering through human ruins. The one about the naked woman running around the city I remember, but mostly for being terrible in an Ed Wood sort of way. Aside from that, there was one about two guys in the desert I liked, mainly for the visuals.

First saw Lister in No Holds Barred when I was a kid. That impression of him has always stuck with me.

Yeah, I just remembered the Cubs games were their big thing. I still remember the doomsday commercial by Budweiser (I think) mentioning that "They put lights in Wrigley Field" in a menacing tone.

I think they were trying to replicate what Turner did with TBS. It may have been that they just didn't have the same quality of programming outside of their kids lineup. I remember TBS having all the Clint Eastwood Movies (along with Grandpa Munster Saturday mornings) and USA having all the horror movies and comedies (with Commander USA on Saturdays). I to this day can't remember ever watching a movie on WGN outside of G.I. Joe the movies. It may just be that they didn't jump on the ball when it came to hosted programming. I spent many a weekend as a kid watching USA Up All Night and Night Tracks on TBS. TBS and USA were like WGN in that they didn't have a lot of their own original programming, but they were able to package the B-movies and old flicks in a way that felt like you were kind of at a party whereas WGN had the kids stuff and the News at 9. Of course, USA and TBS had wrestling. Looking back, WGN probably should have tried their hand at it too. They still had a chance with AWA, World Class and Mid-South still being around.