mochi Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, ben0119 said: It's a shame since One Piece had such a good track record before then. I mean, Don Flamingo was fine as a character and not so over-the-top and gross looking, and it was never stated he was gay during the Alabasta Arc, nor was homosexuality every directly referenced, perhaps for the better if this was Oda's idea of how to portray it. What's more, those characters are just straight up fucking annoying. It reminds me of those old racist cartoons of black people. Some of those artists at the time were racist and using black people as jokes, but sadly others were well-intended and thought they were being progressive and inclusie, and I think the latter is the case here with Oda. You wouldn't have One Piece fanboys defending this if it were black people being depicted like this instead of gay people. actually a newer chapter confirmed Donflamingo is straight giving further proof that all the gay men in the one piece world are Hideous and any gay coded characters that are good looking are actually straight for that matter the least hideous Okama (mr. 2 Bon clay) flirted with Vivi once, so his sexuality is up in the air too edit: though if memory serves the flirting only happened in the non-canon Alabasta recap movie so it's not really canon Edited November 11, 2018 by mochi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) On 11/11/2018 at 10:24 AM, mochi said: actually a newer chapter confirmed Donflamingo is straight giving further proof that all the gay men in the one piece world are Hideous and any gay coded characters that are good looking are actually straight for that matter the least hideous Okama (mr. 2 Bon clay) flirted with Vivi once, so his sexuality is up in the air too edit: though if memory serves the flirting only happened in the non-canon Alabasta recap movie so it's not really canon Lol I meant to say Bon Clay, not Don Flamingo. I don't think I am far enough to know much about Flamingo. Wasn't thinking he was gay either. Well Bon Clay literally said he was queer or something didn't he? Granted it came out of nowhere since as I said it was never stated he was gay before that and homosexuality itself was never even referenced during his appearance in the Alabasta Arc. So I never assumed Bon Clay was gay before that, just because of how he looks and acts, or anything. It was like people trying to say Charlotte Cuulhorne was gay. The whole point of that fight was Charlotte may be "ugly" on the outside by the standards of many, but is beautiful on the inside, and Yummichika is the opposite. In other words looks aren't what's most important. Yummichika's character has consistently been an asshole. Yummichika - Spoiler Is even transphobic towards a transgirl in the final arc in the manga. He calls her out and says she's not a real woman and that quote "you reek of semen." Of course, this character gets extremely pissed off and proceeds to kick his ass. Also the transgirl character is probably one of the more powerful characters in the series with an extremely useful and resilient ability, and gets lots of panel time. She's cute too. T.T People can say what they want about Kubo, or Mashima, too, for that matter, they're miles better on representation than the "good" authors like Oda or tons of others. But yeah, definitely a misstep if Oda is trying to be 'progressive' with the Okamas... Edited November 14, 2018 by ben0119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/13/2018 at 10:12 PM, ben0119 said: Lol I meant to say Bon Clay, not Don Flamingo. I don't think I am far enough to know much about Flamingo. Wasn't thinking he was gay either. Well Bon Clay literally said he was queer or something didn't he? Granted it came out of nowhere since as I said it was never stated he was gay before that and homosexuality itself was never even referenced during his appearance in the Alabasta Arc. So I never assumed Bon Clay was gay before that, just because of how he looks and acts, or anything. It was like people trying to say Charlotte Cuulhorne was gay. The whole point of that fight was Charlotte may be "ugly" on the outside by the standards of many, but is beautiful on the inside, and Yummichika is the opposite. In other words looks aren't what's most important. Yummichika's character has consistently been an asshole. Yummichika - Hide contents Is even transphobic towards a transgirl in the final arc in the manga. He calls her out and says she's not a real woman and that quote "you reek of semen." Of course, this character gets extremely pissed off and proceeds to kick his ass. Also the transgirl character is probably one of the more powerful characters in the series with an extremely useful and resilient ability, and gets lots of panel time. She's cute too. T.T People can say what they want about Kubo, or Mashima, too, for that matter, they're miles better on representation than the "good" authors like Oda or tons of others. But yeah, definitely a misstep if Oda is trying to be 'progressive' with the Okamas... based on his comments about the Okamas he definitely believes he's being progressive with his depiction.....which....I appreciate his intentions but...someone needs to tell him some other ways to show support for LGBT people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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