HardcoreHunter

I always thought of it as an out of nowhere arc that was kinda ham-fisted in how it was handled. Like here is female AIDS Kirito marry sue that everyone instantly likes. It's really what makes SAO such good MST3K material. You can tell that they're 100% being serious with how they're trying to present drama. However it's put in so haphazardly that You can't help but find humor in it. It's like when Kirito had a really bad day back in SAO and his guild all died. He goes back and tells the last surviving member what happened. Then the guy just adds the cherry on top by jumping into the void right after Kirito tells him the news. People writing a dark comedy couldn't hope to write more apt comedic timing of just upping what else worse could happen in a day. Then I think the next episode they were fighting a fucking evil Santa snowman event. It's a level of emotional whiplash that is so horribly paced, that it only works for the sake of comedy by missing the original intention. A lot of this I think is because whoever was in charge of adapting the LN really sucked at their job. Season 1 we skipped like 98% of the story and only focused on a few footnotes with no regard for things like character development, setting, mood, and plot progression. Season 2 once again tires to insert as much things as quickly as possible. We skip over a lot of the stuff the stuff they have to go through in the real world that would make you feel for the characters. Like how they are treated differently in the real world, and are still being experimented on and monitored by the govt. How their social lives have changed, and the ptsd that many of the students have and can't adapt back to normal school life. So then when it gets dropped that the characters are actually being bothered by things like this out of the blue, when they've been playing Kirito's harem the whole time, makes it just feel out of the blue. Hell I had half forgotten that Kirito was even stabbed by a laughing coffin guy which is why he's in a coma and sent to this world, because they just treated it as a plot device, rather than laughing coffin still being a problem. Then in this arc we have a cartoonish villainous group, who's motives feel pointless. I mean we already had drama in the series. It's established that the AI are like Yui and the morality of using them as drones for war in real life is drama enough, or just having the dark territory invading as that was supposedly set to happen anyway after the death of the Pontifex. We didn't need to add some guys who were part of laughing coffin and one guy who murdered a girl when he was a kid an has a boner over the idea of a soul. It's just over the top now and the story now enters dark comedy realms with how over the top it is. It's almost like they realized that maybe the govt doing something morally grey made Japan look bad, so they had to insert an over the top american antagonist for absolutely no reason. Maybe it makes more sense in the LN, but in the anime once again it's just thrown in there with abandon to the pacing.

Cell

Actually surprised he steals shit that isn't super generic looking androids and robots. The moment I saw the universe of mecha, I was like oh toyotaro did this. Fucker already infested GT with that trash then he adds it to super.

Have you forgotten I share piccolo's powers of regeneration......Since when have Namek's ever had the level of regenerative ability that Cell has?

Oh no he murdered the fuck out of all the Red Ribbon Randy's. All those jet craft he explodes that have men in them, dead. All the guys who can't use ki that he blasts with a kamehameha dead, all the guys he just snaps their neck dead. King Piccolo's kids murdered and eaten, King Piccolo burst through the mother fuckers chest. His grandpa crushed to death by his giant ape form. Left Boss Rabbit on the fucking moon to die.

Still sounds like they're the same race.

I think he said they were orphans who became delinquents.

I'd have to watch DB again to fully remember the sequence of events. Though if everything played out the same, except Goku couldn't defeat King Piccolo. It could have been possible that he'd have crated androids to counter him. Then later would have to make androids to fight Raditz, Napa, and Vegeta. It's fair to say that androids 16-18 had already been in development when Raditz arrived given the time frame. Cell had been in development since Goku fought Piccolo in the world martial arts tournament. It's very possible though that he already had androids that were stronger than frieza at the time of Nappa and Vegeta arriving. He just couldn't use them because they didn't follow his orders.

They all came from planet Brench so it's likely. Seems like they're similar to humans in just having different skin colors.

If you think about "what if" scenarios. Gero probably would have been earths hero had Goku Never gotten brain damage, or retconned into always being a nice kid and was totally never going to destroy the earth. Even without all the DNA to make Cell, he still managed to make androids 16-21 which all were stronger than frieza.

Gohans mullet looks familiar. Extra odd when in the future he also becomes a sentai like character.

If Gohan knew his dad as a kid, I doubt he'd be saying that Goku is too soft. Kid was a fucking murder machine back in the day.

power mullet gohan

Filler He does at least get some later. Too bad Marron took after her dads looks rather than her mom.

Editor - WTF is this an old man and pasty fat android, I hate it! Toriyama - I'll fix it (makes 17 and 18) Editor - Are you serious? Toriyama - Fine I'll just make a lizard that turns into a frog and a cockroach. Editor - I knew you had it in you! Toriyama - God damnit, why did I give him so many splotches I have to draw....

Turned him into comic relief. Yes a clown is far less humiliating than an edge-lord who can't win a fight. At least a clown you don't expect to win.

17 attacked that one group while they were transforming. Everyone shamed him for being rude and not letting them transform. Just like how when they attack in a group and win they felt it was a hollow victory.

I mean if you're going to die a virgin may as well go out swinging.

Well that scene I'm sure awoke the vore fetish for a lot of people. I am not one, vore is weird.

A lot of this could have been avoided if Goku could have taught his friends instant transmission. Would work a bit better than solar flare in running away.

Forget the name but same guy that voiced the captain in Fire Force.

Surprised they didn't just say fuck it and blow up the earth. Not like they can't use Namek dragonballs to undo everything. Pretty much the problem with the dragonballs just being giant undo buttons.

Toriyama is on the record as saying he hates Vegeta. The only reason he's even still in the series is because every time he kills him his editors make him bring him back. So he pretty much just sets him up to job.

It doesn't fit as well, as the more stoic voice matches the Japanese voice. It isn't a bad voice just not as fitting for the character.