KimopoBotar Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 7 hours ago, midnight said: The trouble is getting the companies to part with a little extra. The rich don't want to give up any money. Even if the minimum wage is raised, the big corporations will find a way to get that money back, via price increases on everything. We remain lower-middle class for a reason. The 1% controls everything. It is sad to think that a company like McDonald's is a multi-billion dollar company, and most of their employees can't afford to live. People are working for, in my state, $7.25 an hour, just to help make more money, not for themselves, but for more rich bastards. My state is boasting about unemployment being the lowest it's been in years, due to so many jobs being filled. Those jobs are minimum wage jobs. There are Dollar General's being thrown up all over the place down here, and $7.25 an hour is what they start at. That's not much to boast about. But, if Abrams wins our governor's race, she wants to increase the minimum wage. I just hope we don't see price increases on everything, which will put everyone back in the same boat they were in. Buddy said it best. It has to work the way he mentioned, or it won't work. What buddy said is the responsibility of the employers. Either they operate with those standards or they lose money. That's one of those things we actually can let the market do. The problem is, without some kind of push they're still going to keep wages low. The options are either raise the minimum wage to a liveable standard, or sit and wish the employers would do so on their own. Like my dad always said: wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which hand fills up faster. They may raise prices, but they still have to operate in a market. There's no guarantee that those extra wages will go back into higher prices when customers can likely find cheaper options. There will still be competition. Employers have always acted like this with angry scary rhetoric. They beat and murdered union proponents before they were forced to respect them. The only way to play with these kinds of people is to be as ruthless as they are. Forcing them to pay fair wages is the only way they ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnight Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 18 minutes ago, KimopoBotar said: What buddy said is the responsibility of the employers. Either they operate with those standards or they lose money. That's one of those things we actually can let the market do. The problem is, without some kind of push they're still going to keep wages low. The options are either raise the minimum wage to a liveable standard, or sit and wish the employers would do so on their own. Like my dad always said: wish in one hand, shit in the other, and see which hand fills up faster. They may raise prices, but they still have to operate in a market. There's no guarantee that those extra wages will go back into higher prices when customers can likely find cheaper options. There will still be competition. Employers have always acted like this with angry scary rhetoric. They beat and murdered union proponents before they were forced to respect them. The only way to play with these kinds of people is to be as ruthless as they are. Forcing them to pay fair wages is the only way they ever will. I still think if every company/corporation is forced to pay, let's say, a $15 an hour minimum wage, then prices for everything will go up. You take the folks who are not making minimum wage now, and are making $15 an hour. Those folks will also have to see a substantial pay raise. If the folks making minimum wage now, see a doubled salary increase, everyone else will see a large pay increase as well. Then, companies will seek a way to get that money back, and the way they will do it is by increasing the prices of their products. All companies will do this. Henceforth, the cost of living will increase, and everyone will still be in the same boat. Companies aren't going to lose money. And raising wages is considered losing money in their eyes. The people who work minimum wage jobs are doing those jobs now for the minimum wage. Corporations will not lose their healthy profit margin to satisfy their employees. With all of that being said, don't confuse any of that with being something I want to see happen. I am all for people making a livable wage. I just know how these corporations work. They will get their money. If I am making $7.25 an hour and my rent is $400 a month, it's not going to help me any if they give me $15 an hour and my rent goes up to $950 a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimopoBotar Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 17 hours ago, midnight said: I still think if every company/corporation is forced to pay, let's say, a $15 an hour minimum wage, then prices for everything will go up. You take the folks who are not making minimum wage now, and are making $15 an hour. Those folks will also have to see a substantial pay raise. If the folks making minimum wage now, see a doubled salary increase, everyone else will see a large pay increase as well. Then, companies will seek a way to get that money back, and the way they will do it is by increasing the prices of their products. All companies will do this. Henceforth, the cost of living will increase, and everyone will still be in the same boat. Companies aren't going to lose money. And raising wages is considered losing money in their eyes. The people who work minimum wage jobs are doing those jobs now for the minimum wage. Corporations will not lose their healthy profit margin to satisfy their employees. With all of that being said, don't confuse any of that with being something I want to see happen. I am all for people making a livable wage. I just know how these corporations work. They will get their money. If I am making $7.25 an hour and my rent is $400 a month, it's not going to help me any if they give me $15 an hour and my rent goes up to $950 a month. It wouldn't be instantaneous though. Rent wouldn't just instantly jump. Price increases would take time to roll out and would start mostly with more labor intensive products. We can see this already happening with terrifs. So yes, you're right that they'll fight it, but it will take time and it will still be a win for workers. And in the future, maybe ten years, it'll have to go up again. Just because employers are greedy doesn't mean we can let them get away with it. It's always been a fight. It always will be. We can't afford to let them win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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