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1 hour ago, Jman said:

They said Ed would show in Season 2.  

well that's a relief. I missed that part.

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4 hours ago, Jman said:

Ask most anime fans and “Tank!” is, if not considered the best anime opening ever, it’s at least in the top 10.

Apparently the Netflix people agreed, because they literally just remade the anime OP.  It’s the same damn track from the anime.

 

 

I spent maybe 30 seconds nodding in approval at some parts, and the other 60 seconds cringing to the point of having a stroke.

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21 hours ago, Jman said:

Ask most anime fans and “Tank!” is, if not considered the best anime opening ever, it’s at least in the top 10.

Apparently the Netflix people agreed, because they literally just remade the anime OP.  It’s the same damn track from the anime.

 

 

You really can't do better then Tank so glad they kept it....im a little exited but still my hope are kind of low but I'll have an open mind 

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I'd wager, after the voices, the music is going to be the second big hurdle in whether this turns out acceptable. Even if they got Kanno on board, there's no guarantee it'd have the same punch these decades later..

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Okay, I actually quite enjoyed that teaser.

Also, "What Planet is This" from the Bebop movie still ROCKS in here, just like "Tank!".

Green Bird still sounds iconic too.

Even if it may just be for this little bonus production I really liked the fight choreography and the way they did the edit with the bars thing too and how fully integrated it was and not just half-assed, that clearly took a lot of time and it felt cool.

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SOOOOOOooooooooooo corny.

If it wasn't clear before it's clear now. This is going to taint Bebop's legacy.

I want this thing to fail.

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6 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

SOOOOOOooooooooooo corny.

If it wasn't clear before it's clear now. This is going to taint Bebop's legacy.

I want this thing to fail.

I. REALLY. Hope the frenetic editing and acting are just for this one trailer/short, because this is NOT the tone I expect from Cowboy Bebop.

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12 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

SOOOOOOooooooooooo corny.

If it wasn't clear before it's clear now. This is going to taint Bebop's legacy.

I want this thing to fail.

Dude, nothing's getting "tainted." The history of popular media is full of shitty remakes of much better older properties, and no one ever thinks any less of the older ones at the end of the day.

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4 hours ago, Top Gun said:

Dude, nothing's getting "tainted." The history of popular media is full of shitty remakes of much better older properties, and no one ever thinks any less of the older ones at the end of the day.

Unless it's someone who hears bad things about anime in general but has been given info that "but BEBOP iz one uv the GUUUUUD ones" and immediately sees things from this version instead and says "FUCK. THIS. BULLSHIT who is this even [email protected]!!" before they can go hunting for the original (on the same damn service even).

Yes, it can do harm. Anime still has a level of stigma and this doesn't help.

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Calm your tits. I hate to drag out the ol' Dragonball Evolution dead horse, but if that couldn't "taint its series' legacy" then nothing Netflix Bebop can do could ruin original Bebop's.

Seriously, where do y'all keep coming up with these weirdly specific hypothetical viewers to be so concerned about? So the person in your example is someone who's heard that Cowboy Bebop is a great anime, goes to look for it, finds a live action series circa 2021 that's openly going to say "INSPIRED BY COWBOY BEBOP CARTOON" in the credits, assume this live action one is what they've been recommended, watch enough of the series to be soured on the entire franchise, totally skip over the original series that's inevitably going to be recommended right next to the damn thing, and never bother checking out the anime? Or maybe, just maybe, the recommendation they'll get is "Cowboy Bebop is an amazing anime. Don't bother with the live action remake, though" and just watch the anime, which is easy to tell from the live action series by obviously being a goddamn cartoon?

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On 10/20/2021 at 4:56 PM, Top Gun said:

Dude, nothing's getting "tainted." The history of popular media is full of shitty remakes of much better older properties, and no one ever thinks any less of the older ones at the end of the day.

This.

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Fine.

How about a normal, PROPER trailer that's NOT a load of frenetic, quick-cutting, cartoony bullcrap??? :D:D:D

Trailer is for mature audiences.

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I don’t hate it.  I think it’s sort of the split you expect, when a cartoon tries to be live action, the live action tries to be a cartoon. And they split the difference.

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Some shots looked really good others have me worried, I'm going in with an open mind let's hope for the best.

At least we will enjoy the soundtrack 

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3 hours ago, elfie said:

Fine.

How about a normal, PROPER trailer that's NOT a load of frenetic, quick-cutting, cartoony bullcrap??? :D:D:D

Trailer is for mature audiences.

That was...strangely intriguing!

Sure to be better than that crappy Death Note remake, at least!

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Reviews seem mixed as hell as both sides declare victory in the ongoing culture war.  
 

You were never going to get a consensus here.  

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Official reviews are out and are thoroughly divided.  There’s a lot of people who liked it as well as people who despised it.  
 

Not going to lie, it feels like the people who hated it were people who went in wanting to hate it, and vice versa.

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It's been well established that Netflix has "fuck you" money. (See: JoJo Part 6).

But this project and Death Note also prove they have "fuck up" money! 🤷🏻‍♂️🤣

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On 11/15/2021 at 9:16 AM, Jman said:

Official reviews are out and are thoroughly divided.  There’s a lot of people who liked it as well as people who despised it.  
 

Not going to lie, it feels like the people who hated it were people who went in wanting to hate it, and vice versa.

Pretty much. Already expected some people would go in hating it and nothing could win them over even if it ended up good. They would nitpick everything to hell. There was never going to be a consensus on this one given how beloved the original is.

Admittedly I know I probably won't be harsh enough on it lol since I'm just hoping it's decent and can keep improving as it goes.

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At 2:44 Kanno mentioning the old and new music she's using, really excited to hear all the new music she's making! Probably one of the best parts about this, getting her back making music in this universe. Even more so since it's been a bit since her last anime soundtrack.

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You know the story of when Disney was localizing Princess Mononoke and Miyazaki's producer sent Harvey Weinstein a sword that embedded with the words "No cuts"?

I predict Oda is probably sending a similar veiled death threat with the words "I saw Bebop.  Do not fuck up like they did."

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The problem with these adaptations is they totally misunderstand the tone. Obviously it's not supposed to be 1:1 because that will cause fuck-ups (see Ed), but at the same time' why is this written/directed like Scott Pilgrim when in reality Bebop is more Wong Kar-wai?

Even if that was an intentional creative deviation, it doesn't excuse the sub-CW level writing/lighting/cinematography/costuming.

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Eh, feel like they got the overall tone, at least in the first ep. Haven't seen anything else yet though so maybe that changes.

My main nitpick, at least in the premiere, would just be the lack of allowing themselves to be at least a little more subtle and less wordy with some of the dialogue, like it seems they're kind of afraid to do that:

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Like how they had them spell out they're broke by actually saying they couldn't afford fuel rather than just letting it be revealed indirectly (The famous good old bell peppers and beef with no beef). Which was obviously more clunky, especially as a long-time veteran of the Bebop anime.

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Some favorites in the premiere. The whole opening at the casino (with some bits of the movie's opening scene too) and the scene where they locked Faye in the bathroom just like in the anime were very well captured. The part where Spike was asking around for a lead and ran across our familiar 3 old dudes. And I kinda liked Faye and Spike fighting over the bounty, yeah it's kind of an abrupt way to get her into the show but there's also less time than the anime. I absolutely loved the gag with the password.

CG for the Bebop and Swordfish are actually pretty good as was the brief exterior of the casino station and them flying through the gate area.

Some of the outdoor sets definitely look too cheap, but I really dig the interior Bebop set. Some of the camera framing in there was spot on too.

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And this is why Saint Seiya has the same stunt team Jackie Chan taught (the ones from Shang Chi).

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Just one look at what they did to Ed was enough to activate my fight-or-flight response. And that normally doesn't activate!

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I saw Ed.

You want things to be good, right?  I mean, internet snark aside, I think we'd all be happier if stuff was good.  And not this...complete dogshit.

I am seriously wondering if Oda is going to pull the plug on One Piece right now.  Yes there's a full scale replica of the Going Merry in Cape Town, but THIS is shit and if they can't do better for One Piece, then they shouldn't get to make One Piece.

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The Maestro with the finest review thus far:

https://mobile.twitter.com/HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN/status/1461862490976002049

EDIT: "You've never known true power until you've tasted the testicles of a man that's wronged you."

This is an actual quote from this show. 

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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The first episode was really rough, but it coasted off on Yoko Kanno’s music and Jet’s actor being really good in this. I also want to root for John Cho because he’s a fun actor and it was always going to be difficult to do Spike justice. 

I really disliked the script and tone of the first ep though. It feels like pockets of the first episode were like the anime, but so much of it felt inspired by the dull post-Avengers & post-Kingsmen action films I’ve had to sit through. 

It doesn’t help that parts of the later episodes kept leaking out like the Eunich’s testicle tasting or the Radical Edward scene that was ripped straight out of To Boldly Flee. How does your soul not want to leave your body watching any of this?

At least in the Death Note movie, it’s funny to watch L maniacally drive headfirst into bus stops in anger. With this, I feel like it’s the first show I’ve hate watched by choice. 

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After I get caught up on my Patreon work, I'll tune in. As someone who dumpster dived in 90's SciFi cheese back in the day, I am curious how the show will be when I watch it.

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OK, if anyone's seen the ending of the first season, I wish all the writers behind this show a very pleasant fuck off forever.

Why can't stuff just be good?  You had a perfect blueprint!

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I almost never ask for this, but I genuinely want DeMarco to make a TOM speech bit crapping all over this show (and other live-action adaptations that miss the point).

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I wondered if we'd see any new model kits for Bebop due to the show, I guess we can at least expect albums

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I was afraid this would happen.

After years of hearing my Bebop praise (not unprovoked, usually when the topic of the foreign entity that is anime is questioned towards my direction by these gentlemen); two of my buddies, separately, on their own volition decided to check out the live action version.

They noped out before finishing the 1st episode. On top of this, I was informed of their new life's mission to never come in contact with the original or anything else remotely connected to anime ever again.

I understand the live-action has brought the show back into conversation and thus new exposure, but I was weary of this side effect.

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Okay this reads exactly like the stories a generic conservative aunt posts on Facebook about how she just innocently said "Merry Christmas" at Starbucks and was violently attacked by some godless millenial snowflake offended that she believed in god. Share this post on your own timeline if you too believe that our lord Jesus Christ is the reason for the season and you're brave enough to admit it!

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On 11/25/2021 at 12:29 AM, MasqueradeOverture said:

I was afraid this would happen.

After years of hearing my Bebop praise (not unprovoked, usually when the topic of the foreign entity that is anime is questioned towards my direction by these gentlemen); two of my buddies, separately, on their own volition decided to check out the live action version.

They noped out before finishing the 1st episode. On top of this, I was informed of their new life's mission to never come in contact with the original or anything else remotely connected to anime ever again.

I understand the live-action has brought the show back into conversation and thus new exposure, but I was weary of this side effect.

Strap them to a couch so they have no choice xD

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Love the fact that we finally got a new Mai Yamane track thanks to Kanno, had been too long (since I think the first season of Darker Than Black).

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