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15 hours ago, Ginguy said:

I've also heard about distribution beginning in December, starting with health care workers.

 

So, speaking of nursing homes, it seems as though a resident in a Canadian nursing home was so terrified of being isolated/away from contact through another 2 week lockdown/room confinement that she applied for and was granted an assisted suicide. The family all gathered together with grandma and sang her favorite song while the doctor gave her a lethal injection. y

Creepiness and horrific dystopian nature aside, if they were in a lock-down because of Covid, why could the family visit her? If the family could visit her during her end of life, why couldn't they visit her during the lock-down, and maybe not have to have a doctor kill her?

Oh, for the billionth time, lock-downs don't work, even the WHO recommends against the practice save as a measure of absolute last resort. SCOTUS kind of laid the smack down on Gov. Cuomo for it, and Gov. Whitler in Michigan got similarly smacked down.

Ah, lest I be remiss, the SCOTUS opinion on the NY case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20a87_4g15.pdf

It is only a temporary injunctive relief pending an Appeals decision on the matter, but it quite clearly states that Gov. Cuomo can pound sand when it comes to lock-down orders which target religious communities/services.  It should have been a 9-0 decision, but 3 Justices are functionally illiterate and the Chief Justice is trying to make the Court apolitical by being political in his decisions....

 

Shut up Jingai. The shutdown of religious buildings should have happened just like any other business be it in orange zones, yellow or red. Nothing in the constitution says you need a building to practice.  They even said “we aren’t scientific minds but you can’t throw the constitution away” such bullshit considering no one was punishing religious institutions simply because that’s what they were.  The constitution was written during a time when they didn’t know how illnesses really spread, or how to slow things down.  People want us to believe that the framers of the constitution and our founding fathers, the ones that helped form an electoral college btw, in part, because they believed the masses weren’t smart, nor informed enough to make sound decisions,  that those people wouldn’t have made a narrow provision to protect the people if they had this understanding is nonsense. The FFs weren’t anti science. They absolutely would have allowed for temporary suspension of some activities so we don’t all sicken each other killing people.   
Don’t even get me started on Gursuch’s opinion cuz that mfer is stupid too. Using a bicycle repair shop as an example as though hundreds of people sit ass to elbows in bicycle repair shops getting talked for over an hour. 
as for what happened in Canada. Well that’s Canada an no way would the USA allow someone in a nursing home to end their life simply out of fear of quarantine so you can stop with that shit too. 
 

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6 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Shut up Jingai. The shutdown of religious buildings should have happened just like any other business be it in orange zones, yellow or red. Nothing in the constitution says you need a building to practice.  They even said “we aren’t scientific minds but you can’t throw the constitution away” such bullshit considering no one was punishing religious institutions simply because that’s what they were.  The constitution was written during a time when they didn’t know how illnesses really spread, or how to slow things down.  People want us to believe that the framers of the constitution and our founding fathers, the ones that helped form an electoral college btw, in part, because they believed the masses weren’t smart, nor informed enough to make sound decisions,  that those people wouldn’t have made a narrow provision to protect the people if they had this understanding is nonsense. The FFs weren’t anti science. They absolutely would have allowed for temporary suspension of some activities so we don’t all sicken each other killing people.   
Don’t even get me started on Gursuch’s opinion cuz that mfer is stupid too. Using a bicycle repair shop as an example as though hundreds of people sit ass to elbows in bicycle repair shops getting talked for over an hour. 
as for what happened in Canada. Well that’s Canada an no way would the USA allow someone in a nursing home to end their life simply out of fear of quarantine so you can stop with that shit too. 
 

"Citing a variety of remarks made by the Governor, Agudath Israel argues that the Governor specifically targeted the Orthodox Jewish community and gerry-mandered the boundaries of red and orange zones to ensure that heavily Orthodox areas were included. Both the Diocese and Agudath Israel maintain that the regulations treat houses of worship much more harshly than comparable secular facilities. And they tell us without contradiction that they have complied with all public health guidance, have implemented additional precautionary measures, and have operated at 25% or 33% capacity for months without a single outbreak."

The Court upheld the allegations that the Government of New York had deliberately acted with malice towards these specific communities and houses of worship in spite of the fact that said houses of worship had complied with all public health guidance.

The Constitution doesn't need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith, they need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith. That is part of the "free exercise" of faith.

Further, if they have operated at 25 or 33% capacity for months without an outbreak, they are obviously not "ass to elbow".

 

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On 11/26/2020 at 1:11 PM, 1pooh4u said:

I like the part where they acknowledge they aren’t science people and decide to be irresponsible with their decision anyway despite the fact Cuomo lifted a lot of the restrictions anyway.  I thought they were being treated like any other non essential business but they say more restrictions were placed on them. Idk @Raptorpat probably can explain what really happened and what’s really gonna happen now 

When cases started to rise again, the state implemented the color-coded "cluster zones" under the theory that a targeted approach in a spiking area, based on the severity of the spike, would be less restrictive than and just as effective as a reimplementation of region-wide COVID rules, and would be more accurate than relying on zip codes to draw boundaries of a quarantine zone. The statistical triggers for entering and exiting the colored cluster zones can be found in the link.

Per the Governor's initial Executive Order regarding the cluster zones, the relevant language regarding houses of worship is bolded below:

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IN ADDITION, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 29-a of Article 2-B of the Executive Law to issue any directive during a disaster emergency necessary to cope with the disaster, I do hereby issue the following directives through November 5, 2020:

  • The Department of Health shall determine areas in the State that require enhanced public health restrictions based upon cluster-based cases of COVID-19 at a level that compromises the State’s containment of the virus. Certain activities shall be restricted and any permitted activities, in all three zones below, shall be conducted in strict adherence to Department of Health guidance.
    • Based upon the severity of the cluster activity, the Department of Health shall adopt in the most severe, or “red zones,” the following mitigation measures:
      • Non-essential gatherings of any size shall be postponed or cancelled; all non-essential businesses, as determined by the Empire State Development Corporation based upon published guidance, shall reduce in-person workforce by 100%; houses of worship shall be subject to a capacity limit of 25% of maximum occupancy or 10 people, whichever is fewer; any restaurant or tavern shall cease serving patrons food or beverage on-premises and may be open for takeout or delivery only; and the local Department of Health shall direct closure of all schools for in-person instruction, except as otherwise provided in Executive Order.
    • In moderate severity warning areas or “orange zones” the following mitigation measures:
      • Non-essential gatherings shall be limited to 10 people; certain non-essential businesses, for which there is a higher risk associated with the transmission of the COVID-19 virus, including gyms, fitness centers or classes, barbers, hair salons, spas, tattoo or piercing parlors, nail technicians and nail salons, cosmetologists, estheticians, the provision of laser hair removal and electrolysis, and all other personal care services shall reduce in-person workforce by 100%; houses of worship shall be subject to a maximum capacity limit of the lesser of 33% of maximum occupancy or 25 people, whichever is fewer; any restaurant or tavern shall cease serving patrons food or beverage inside on-premises but may provide outdoor service, and may be open for takeout or delivery, provided however, any one seated group or party shall not exceed 4 people; and the local Department of Health shall direct closure of all schools for in-person instruction, except as otherwise provided in Executive Order.
    • In precautionary or “yellow zones,” the following mitigation measures:
      • Non-essential gatherings shall be limited to no more than 25 people; houses of worship shall be subject to a capacity limit of 50% of its maximum occupancy and shall adhere to Department of Health guidance; any restaurant or tavern must limit any one seated group or party size to 4 people; and the Department of Health shall issue guidance by October 9, 2020 regarding mandatory testing of students and school personnel, and schools shall adhere to such guidance.
  • The above directive shall be effective immediately, and at such time as notice is provided to such affected areas, may be enforced and shall be enforced no later than Friday, October 9, 2020, as determined by the county in which the red zones, orange zones, and yellow zones are located.

 

On 11/27/2020 at 4:43 PM, Ginguy said:

Ah, lest I be remiss, the SCOTUS opinion on the NY case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20a87_4g15.pdf

It is only a temporary injunctive relief pending an Appeals decision on the matter, but it quite clearly states that Gov. Cuomo can pound sand when it comes to lock-down orders which target religious communities/services.  It should have been a 9-0 decision, but 3 Justices are functionally illiterate and the Chief Justice is trying to make the Court apolitical by being political in his decisions....

The majority issued a temporary injunction (while the case navigates the appeals process) on the theory that these specific restrictions were not neutral (that they are likely discriminatory towards religion) and fail the "strict scrutiny" test (they must both be “narrowly tailored” and serve a “compelling” state interest), and that the plaintiffs were likely to win on appeal. 

As the majority, they obviously get to make the determination as to whether the orders are discriminatory. However the disagreement within the Court isn't whether religious discrimination is ok, it's over (1) whether granting the temporary injunction is procedurally appropriate (the chief, the liberals), and (2) whether it is obvious these orders are actually discriminatory against religion (the liberals). The majority does not make any indication that there cannot be COVID restrictions placed on houses of worship, so assuming these are thrown out, the state will just come back with something less strict.

I would argue that slotting houses of worship within the general range of activities, organized primarily by risk level (size and duration of congregating, minus mitigating factors), is not discriminatory because religiosity is irrelevant to the analysis. However, the new Court is clearly going to prioritize religious freedom over most else. Per Kavanaugh's concurrence, "it does not suffice for a State to point out that, as compared to houses of worship, some secular businesses are subject to similarly severe or even more severe restrictions." So there goes that argument. Maybe one silver lining is that the new majority will collect the balls needed to overturn Scalia's 1990 anti-religious freedom dumpster fire, Oregon v. Smith.

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6 hours ago, Ginguy said:

"Citing a variety of remarks made by the Governor, Agudath Israel argues that the Governor specifically targeted the Orthodox Jewish community and gerry-mandered the boundaries of red and orange zones to ensure that heavily Orthodox areas were included. Both the Diocese and Agudath Israel maintain that the regulations treat houses of worship much more harshly than comparable secular facilities. And they tell us without contradiction that they have complied with all public health guidance, have implemented additional precautionary measures, and have operated at 25% or 33% capacity for months without a single outbreak."

The Court upheld the allegations that the Government of New York had deliberately acted with malice towards these specific communities and houses of worship in spite of the fact that said houses of worship had complied with all public health guidance.

The Constitution doesn't need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith, they need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith. That is part of the "free exercise" of faith.

Further, if they have operated at 25 or 33% capacity for months without an outbreak, they are obviously not "ass to elbow".

 

Stop playing the race card Ginguy

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13 hours ago, Ginguy said:

"Citing a variety of remarks made by the Governor, Agudath Israel argues that the Governor specifically targeted the Orthodox Jewish community and gerry-mandered the boundaries of red and orange zones to ensure that heavily Orthodox areas were included. Both the Diocese and Agudath Israel maintain that the regulations treat houses of worship much more harshly than comparable secular facilities. And they tell us without contradiction that they have complied with all public health guidance, have implemented additional precautionary measures, and have operated at 25% or 33% capacity for months without a single outbreak."

The Court upheld the allegations that the Government of New York had deliberately acted with malice towards these specific communities and houses of worship in spite of the fact that said houses of worship had complied with all public health guidance.

The Constitution doesn't need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith, they need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith. That is part of the "free exercise" of faith.

Further, if they have operated at 25 or 33% capacity for months without an outbreak, they are obviously not "ass to elbow".

 

Ginguy: I care about racial injustices and antisemitism

Also Ginguy: GEORGE SOROSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

 

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16 hours ago, Ginguy said:

"Citing a variety of remarks made by the Governor, Agudath Israel argues that the Governor specifically targeted the Orthodox Jewish community and gerry-mandered the boundaries of red and orange zones to ensure that heavily Orthodox areas were included. Both the Diocese and Agudath Israel maintain that the regulations treat houses of worship much more harshly than comparable secular facilities. And they tell us without contradiction that they have complied with all public health guidance, have implemented additional precautionary measures, and have operated at 25% or 33% capacity for months without a single outbreak."

The Court upheld the allegations that the Government of New York had deliberately acted with malice towards these specific communities and houses of worship in spite of the fact that said houses of worship had complied with all public health guidance.

The Constitution doesn't need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith, they need to say they need a building in which to practice their faith. That is part of the "free exercise" of faith.

Further, if they have operated at 25 or 33% capacity for months without an outbreak, they are obviously not "ass to elbow".

 

THEY HELD A WEDDING WITH 7000k people you fuckin twit and spent the entire pandemic ignoring closures anyway. Opening schools. So yeah fuck the Satmar and other Ultra Orthodox Jewish communities, or any religious community acting like their invisible sky being will protect them and fuck everybody else that might wanna believe in science.

they were ass to elbow because they never followed any of the restrictions PERIOD. You don’t live around here so you don’t know what’s going on. You just wanna jerk off to chaos 

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Lock down the entire city and thank the religious people for going full shut down again cuz they cried over the unfairness of zones that they never complied with in the first place. In fact they never complied with anything and many think the treatment they received was preferential, and it was. They held ceremonies of thousands more than once meanwhile black people were being harassed for sitting unmasked on their building stoops

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Another reason farming animals, especially for something as frivolous as coats, and hats is a bad idea. 
 

https://nypost.com/2020/11/28/oregon-mink-farm-staff-infected-in-covid-19-outbreak/amp/

a few other states have also reported Covid19 on their mink farms.  In Denmark, Sweden, and another country they had to put down 15 million mink.  
So, I wonder how long before people, with nothing to do with mink, start getting infected and reinfected with the Coronavirus mink edition? 

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7 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

THEY HELD A WEDDING WITH 7000k people you fuckin twit and spent the entire pandemic ignoring closures anyway. Opening schools. So yeah fuck the Satmar and other Ultra Orthodox Jewish communities, or any religious community acting like their invisible sky being will protect them and fuck everybody else that might wanna believe in science.

they were ass to elbow because they never followed any of the restrictions PERIOD. You don’t live around here so you don’t know what’s going on. You just wanna jerk off to chaos 

 

23 hours ago, Ginguy said:

they tell us without contradiction that they have complied with all public health guidance, have implemented additional precautionary measures, and have operated at 25% or 33% capacity for months without a single outbreak.

Just to be clear, when the Court notes that the petitioners cite something "without contradiction" it means the State did not/could not prove or provide evidence to the contrary of the statement. 

Thus, they were not ignoring closures or otherwise acting as if "their invisible sky being will protect them".

7 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Lock down the entire city and thank the religious people for going full shut down again cuz they cried over the unfairness of zones that they never complied with in the first place. In fact they never complied with anything and many think the treatment they received was preferential, and it was. They held ceremonies of thousands more than once meanwhile black people were being harassed for sitting unmasked on their building stoops

Is this the part where I post images of all the "peaceful protesting" in New York where there was limited to no mask wearing or social distancing? (Lots of arson and violence though)

 

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14 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

 

Just to be clear, when the Court notes that the petitioners cite something "without contradiction" it means the State did not/could not prove or provide evidence to the contrary of the statement. 

Thus, they were not ignoring closures or otherwise acting as if "their invisible sky being will protect them".

Is this the part where I post images of all the "peaceful protesting" in New York where there was limited to no mask wearing or social distancing? (Lots of arson and violence though)

 

You mean where cops actually arrested people that were breaking the law instead of just allowing them to do it?  Or is this where I break out pictures of Jewish leaders getting Jewish journalists beat up? Or the pictures of people breaking locks to break into parks and playgrounds?

you are such a lowlife. You feign outrage over looting and rioting that was controlled out here rather quickly and attempt to conflate those people with protesters that were largely masked.  Had these religious communities also were mostly masked at these outdoor gatherings I wouldn’t have a problem BUT THEY DO NOT WEAR MASKS NOR DISTANCE AND THEY DONT FUCKIN CARE. 

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Jesus fucking Christ (so to speak), when will people learn that viruses have respect for neither religion nor politics?

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3 minutes ago, mthor said:

Jesus fucking Christ (so to speak), when will people learn that viruses have respect for neither religion nor politics?

Name one scientologist thats died from this flu?

Man...this is hurting me.

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Just now, Sawdamizer said:

Name one scientologist thats died from this flu?

Man...this is hurting me.

There aren't any - just like Shelly Miscavige isn't missing.

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I called out of my side job since there was a notification of a team member covid case. If they weren't there the last time I was, the place still has tons of people working there given it's retail. Couldn't get tested because I found out right before Thanksgiving and my doctor was closed on Friday. So, I don't know, going to try getting tested tomorrow.

Probably already had it, honestly. But if I did it would have been near the beginning and before they gave us masks and gloves, so may as well try.

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2 hours ago, Ginguy said:

 

Just to be clear, when the Court notes that the petitioners cite something "without contradiction" it means the State did not/could not prove or provide evidence to the contrary of the statement. 

Thus, they were not ignoring closures or otherwise acting as if "their invisible sky being will protect them".

Is this the part where I post images of all the "peaceful protesting" in New York where there was limited to no mask wearing or social distancing? (Lots of arson and violence though)

 

This is what you seem to be completely ignoring in your current arguments that nothing happened / why complain / I didn't see nuthin' so it must not have happened like that. 

Secret Hasidic wedding in New York drew thousands of unmasked guests - National | Globalnews.ca

I picked this particular news article because it includes both video of the event in question and still photos in case your internet suddenly doesn't run video. They deliberately went around the limitations in place FOR EVERYONE in order to have a butt-to-gut event. This was not something that needed to occur this exact way or else. It was a wedding full of hubris. Zero masks, zero separation, zero shits given for anyone who might get sick later from some jackass who had to attend that event. 

 

ND - 78,664; 926 allowed deaths. 

I have not heard anything from my littlest brother since the 12th when he texted that both he and his wife were sick. 

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The thing that kills me is that the Jewish Community isn’t anti science. They know damn well why the measures were put into place. How do I know this? During the early months of the pandemic, when they started collecting plasma for the antibodies, 51% of all plasma donors were Orthodox. 
 

the original plan of zip codes were even less fair. Neighborhoods share zip codes that weren’t necessarily experiencing spikes, which included every orthodox neighborhood, cuz guess what? Cases were spiking in all of them because they don’t wear masks nor do they cooperate with contact tracers so of course there’s no direct evidence of community spread when you know damn well there’s been community spread like a mfer

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On 11/29/2020 at 6:46 PM, katt_goddess said:

This is what you seem to be completely ignoring in your current arguments that nothing happened / why complain / I didn't see nuthin' so it must not have happened like that. 

Secret Hasidic wedding in New York drew thousands of unmasked guests - National | Globalnews.ca

I picked this particular news article because it includes both video of the event in question and still photos in case your internet suddenly doesn't run video. They deliberately went around the limitations in place FOR EVERYONE in order to have a butt-to-gut event. This was not something that needed to occur this exact way or else. It was a wedding full of hubris. Zero masks, zero separation, zero shits given for anyone who might get sick later from some jackass who had to attend that event. 

 

The D'Satmar Synagogue has nothing to do with Agudath Israel.

You're comparing apples and mangoes.

 

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11 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

The D'Satmar Synagogue has nothing to do with Agudath Israel.

You're comparing apples and mangoes.

 

I'm pointing out religious sects in New York running around pandemic restrictions to do whatever they feel like doing while crying about how the restrictions are so unfairly being applied to them and them only. 

And D'Satmar and Agudath are both Orthodox. Their differences are a matter of degree of religious adherence and not of religion itself. Granny Smith and Fuji.

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18 minutes ago, katt_goddess said:

I'm pointing out religious sects in New York running around pandemic restrictions to do whatever they feel like doing while crying about how the restrictions are so unfairly being applied to them and them only. 

And D'Satmar and Agudath are both Orthodox. Their differences are a matter of degree of religious adherence and not of religion itself. Granny Smith and Fuji.

Not to mention you only need one religious sect to bring the case.  The Augdath of Israel represents the ultra orthodox Haredi sects.  Hasid is a subgroup of Haredi. Jingai flailed wildly and missed 

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3 hours ago, NaBarney said:

Im honestly not surprised by this. There has been a lot of anecdotal evidence for a while that it was circulating a lot earlier than we first thought.  I know of a few people who had Covid-like symptoms in January and February. One of them has since tested positive for Antibodies. So Ive been convinced that its been circulating for a lot longer than we thought.

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Did you know the USA already has a national day of prayer, so apparently we threw separation of church and state out the window a long time ago. 
 

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19 hours ago, katt_goddess said:

I'm pointing out religious sects in New York running around pandemic restrictions to do whatever they feel like doing while crying about how the restrictions are so unfairly being applied to them and them only. 

And D'Satmar and Agudath are both Orthodox. Their differences are a matter of degree of religious adherence and not of religion itself. Granny Smith and Fuji.

Yeah, no.

"We cannot behave the way we did last week or two weeks ago. We're told that the halakha (Jewish law) is that we must listen to doctors, whether it's about a sick person or Yom Kippur". - Rabbi Yakov Perlow (Head Rabbi of Agudath Israel)

That doesn't seem like the statement of someone who is running around pandemic restrictions. Again, I refer back to the court decision which clearly stated that Agudath Israel observed all health department restrictions "without contradictions".

Apples and cinder blocks at this point.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Im honestly not surprised by this. There has been a lot of anecdotal evidence for a while that it was circulating a lot earlier than we first thought.  I know of a few people who had Covid-like symptoms in January and February. One of them has since tested positive for Antibodies. So Ive been convinced that its been circulating for a lot longer than we thought.

The people who still use slurs like the "Wuhan flu" or the "Chinese coronavirus" in light of these facts which continually push back the timetable of the global spread of the virus and further obfuscate where and when it originated are just committed to the bit of being openly racist cranks at this point.

 

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18 minutes ago, NaBarney said:

The people who still use slurs like the "Wuhan flu" or the "Chinese coronavirus" in light of these facts which continually push back the timetable of the global spread of the virus and further obfuscate where and when it originated are just committed to the bit of being openly racist cranks at this point.

Indeed.

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57 minutes ago, Ginguy said:

Yeah, no.

"We cannot behave the way we did last week or two weeks ago. We're told that the halakha (Jewish law) is that we must listen to doctors, whether it's about a sick person or Yom Kippur". - Rabbi Yakov Perlow (Head Rabbi of Agudath Israel)

That doesn't seem like the statement of someone who is running around pandemic restrictions. Again, I refer back to the court decision which clearly stated that Agudath Israel observed all health department restrictions "without contradictions".

Apples and cinder blocks at this point.

 

 

I refer to this thread.

The discussion was people crying about how restrictions are being deliberately targeted against religions because religions.

The comment was that there are always going to be these types of assholes who claim that everything is against them and them only despite these restrictions being applied to everyone in the area for a very reasonable reason - a f-ing pandemic that loves groups of idiots - and that running around behind the rules is often the case with these same types. I gave the example of the D'Satmar wedding super spreader as an example. Pooh mentioned the crowds of Jewish men willing to beat up Jewish reporters for daring to say anything. 

You keep waving the Agudath statement around like it's the absolute and only thing that matters in this discussion. The discussion is assholes using religion as an excuse to whine and cry and go around restrictions. Congratulations to them from apparently behaving but that singular statement does not excuse nor exempt the expectation of behavior from other sects, Jewish or other. It is not an argument that people aren't doing exactly that because they think secular doesn't apply to them because 'god' . 

Speaking of apples vs cinder blocks, what was that crap you spouted a while back about how a tiny percentage of people sick in the state didn't mean a thing so basically boo-hoo to you?

ND - 79,661; 960 allowed deaths. 128 of those allowed dead right here, right where I live. The state's population is roughly 761,723. Or I should say was.

A former employee [ she retired not that long ago ] is on a ventilator right now from covid. :| We had some asshole that had to go shopping or else collapse in the store yesterday. No mask naturally because god told her it was a hoax. :| We had a family of assholes wearing their 'TRUMP 2020' chin diapers in the store on Saturday coughing on everything and shitting up our bathrooms because they had to go shopping or else. :| Meanwhile I have to hang on as long as I can because I'm the only one left for the office work; if I lose my senses of taste and smell, we're screwed. I started the inventory prep work for the store today. 

I have people directly sick from assholes who decided for whatever reason that pandemic rules and restrictions don't apply to them. Do not fuss with me, you will not win. 

And I wanted to insert a gif of Mrs. Doubtfire whipping a piece of fruit at Pierce's head but it's not auto gifing and I'm not going to bother figuring out what the damage is right now. Just know it was flying fruit that hit it's target. :| 

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6 minutes ago, katt_goddess said:

I refer to this thread.

The discussion was people crying about how restrictions are being deliberately targeted against religions because religions.

The comment was that there are always going to be these types of assholes who claim that everything is against them and them only despite these restrictions being applied to everyone in the area for a very reasonable reason - a f-ing pandemic that loves groups of idiots - and that running around behind the rules is often the case with these same types. I gave the example of the D'Satmar wedding super spreader as an example. Pooh mentioned the crowds of Jewish men willing to beat up Jewish reporters for daring to say anything. 

You keep waving the Agudath statement around like it's the absolute and only thing that matters in this discussion. The discussion is assholes using religion as an excuse to whine and cry and go around restrictions. Congratulations to them from apparently behaving but that singular statement does not excuse nor exempt the expectation of behavior from other sects, Jewish or other. It is not an argument that people aren't doing exactly that because they think secular doesn't apply to them because 'god' . 

Speaking of apples vs cinder blocks, what was that crap you spouted a while back about how a tiny percentage of people sick in the state didn't mean a thing so basically boo-hoo to you?

ND - 79,661; 960 allowed deaths. 128 of those allowed dead right here, right where I live. The state's population is roughly 761,723. Or I should say was.

A former employee [ she retired not that long ago ] is on a ventilator right now from covid. :| We had some asshole that had to go shopping or else collapse in the store yesterday. No mask naturally because god told her it was a hoax. :| We had a family of assholes wearing their 'TRUMP 2020' chin diapers in the store on Saturday coughing on everything and shitting up our bathrooms because they had to go shopping or else. :| Meanwhile I have to hang on as long as I can because I'm the only one left for the office work; if I lose my senses of taste and smell, we're screwed. I started the inventory prep work for the store today. 

I have people directly sick from assholes who decided for whatever reason that pandemic rules and restrictions don't apply to them. Do not fuss with me, you will not win. 

And I wanted to insert a gif of Mrs. Doubtfire whipping a piece of fruit at Pierce's head but it's not auto gifing and I'm not going to bother figuring out what the damage is right now. Just know it was flying fruit that hit it's target. :| 

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2 hours ago, Ginguy said:

Yeah, no.

"We cannot behave the way we did last week or two weeks ago. We're told that the halakha (Jewish law) is that we must listen to doctors, whether it's about a sick person or Yom Kippur". - Rabbi Yakov Perlow (Head Rabbi of Agudath Israel)

That doesn't seem like the statement of someone who is running around pandemic restrictions. Again, I refer back to the court decision which clearly stated that Agudath Israel observed all health department restrictions "without contradictions".

Apples and cinder blocks at this point.

 

 

You’re wrong it was never said they all didn’t and it doesn’t matter if they obeyed the restrictions they weren’t all obeying them.  The Augdath Israel isn’t just representing the Haredi, but all religions, as what decision is made based on their case will apply to all religious buildings in NYS.   One only had to take a stroll through any orthodox neighborhood to see mask compliance isn’t very high. So what their rabbi says and what they do can be very different things. 

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https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/S-F-Mayor-London-Breed-had-her-own-French-15767506.php

Rich people can do whatever they want and travel all over the world and all their favorite expensive places get to stay open. Especially careerist liberal politicians who love peacocking to each other about all the neat little tips and tricks and rules and restrictions that they're imposing on regular people in order to maintain the illusion of effective political leadership while they flaunt their moneyed "alternative lifestyles" and just do w/e they want with their socialite friends regardless of how bad it gets for everyone beneath them. 

Sorry about your favorite working class bar, restaurant, and local music venue with $5 shows permanently closing and going out of business in every city in America all at once, but we need to pretend like this community-shredding outcome is simply worth the cost and is helping with the pandemic somehow, even though the virus has been circulating throughout the country for over a year now and the case numbers keep going up and now it looks like we're all on track to get it and the only bright spot is that luckily it at least has no discernable impact on most people's health. 

10% of covid cases in America can be traced directly back to meat processing plants, but we can't shut those down for even a minute. Gotta keep the fancy steaks on those five figure dinner tabs for public officials rolling in! What does our society look like to you, something other than a barbaric death cult of classist hedonism? Get outta here!

 

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So this leaked a bit ago.

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The majority of the nation is considered a "sustained hot-spot"

Woo.

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7 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

So this leaked a bit ago.

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The majority of the nation is considered a "sustained hot-spot"

Woo.

Biden said no national lockdown. Maybe we'll get a national mask mandate for 2-6 weeks next March which all the no-mask-mandate state governors say they won't enforce and nothing happens.

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The President is officially endorsing a national safer-at-home recommendation for 34% of the country for the next six weeks

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16 minutes ago, NaBarney said:

The President is officially endorsing a national safer-at-home recommendation for 34% of the country for the next six weeks

Great. Am I gonna be able to do anything at all after work? This lockdown is some bullshit on second shifters.

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8 minutes ago, RainyDayJizz#35 said:

Great. Am I gonna be able to do anything at all after work? This lockdown is some bullshit on second shifters.

You should have done it before 10pm!

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Just now, NaBarney said:

You should have done it before 10pm!

I did 3 hours overtime and slept too late to do shit! I understand this curfew garbage but the people that want to go out and spread virus are gonna do it anyway, curfew or not. I just wanna buy food after work because no one is ever in the damn store at night why even do this oh my god.

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The grocery store thing makes me so mad too. There's never even anyone else in there at night! You're funneling even more people in together at one time with this suddenly just closing for a third of the day

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11 hours ago, stilgar said:

Oh pooh, you know jingo wouldn't be caught dead in NYC let alone a Jewish neighborhood.

It’s so funny to me. Piece of shit Jingai likes to conflate looters/rioters with actual protesters, but now wants to make a distinction between two groups of Orthodox Jews. Despite the fact that it’s really a distinction that doesn’t matter.  Jingai is being stupid.  

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20 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

Meanwhile in Oklahoma...

 

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Meh, it's all for show...Stitt is letting bars identify as churches because there is no occupancy limits.....Heard it on our local news last night.

Not sure how many have passed, but it's at least one.

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